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Crean Interview After NW Loss
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Crean said Elston told him it was unintentional.

He also said, "I looked at it. I discussed it with him. But the last thing I’m going to do is break down a trust by accusing a player of something that he says he didn’t do on purpose. I’m not trying to put my head in the sand, that’s just the way that it is."

I won't make any comment.

EDIT: Just saw this was covered in the game thread. Ignore this.
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Oh, the sideways cuts are partly due to running a 3 man weave instead of an actual offense. Maybe we wouldn't get dominated inside as much if our guards would actually try to get the opposing big men into foul trouble.
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I think with the talent, or lack of, that Crean has, a motion offense and attacking the rim, via back cuts/down screens would best benefit this team offensively. But Crean would rather run the 3 man weave and dribble drive when he don't have the personnel to even do that, which makes easy for the opposing team to guard us.
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I actually posted the other day that he should do what Bobby did way back when, when they played Minnesota..... Starters do not play at all the next away game. He may lose by 50, but it never hurt the Hoosiers before.
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over the last 2 weeks i have watched all the games. also, i happened to watch the 1990 IU/kentucky game. what i saw in the 1990 game was that players dribbled the ball to better their passing angle. they moved the ball by passing it NOT dribbling. the second thing that i realized last night in part due to northwestern and also the 1990 game was that "we" (IU) do not cut toward the basket. the players make cuts side to side towards the out of bounds line. why do we not make cuts TO the basket.. there is no movement away from the ball and no screening away from the ball. why? please enlighten me.
Because we went from the best pure basketball coach of all-time to a guy who can't even get his own team to play hard....and won't do anything about it. I've been seeing this crap since he got here. Good recruiter, just isn't a good enough coach for a program like IU.

Oh, the sideways cuts are partly due to running a 3 man weave instead of an actual offense. Maybe we wouldn't get dominated inside as much if our guards would actually try to get the opposing big men into foul trouble.
We didn't go from Knight to Crean. Davis and Sampson came before Crean and were complete disasters. And I really don't think you can compare Crean to the General because Knight will always be one of the best coaches ever. And you even said Crean was a good recruiter. Well, those big time recruits haven't even made it to campus yet. So, let's wait and see how Crean does when the talent comes in.
I know there were other coaches in between. He was talking about the 1990 team and how they compared to the current team.

As far as not being fair to compare him to Knight.....OK....how about we compare him to the dozens of NCAA coaches who get the most out of their players, who get their kids to play hard, who hold their kids accountable for not doing their 'jobs', etc.
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over the last 2 weeks i have watched all the games. also, i happened to watch the 1990 IU/kentucky game. what i saw in the 1990 game was that players dribbled the ball to better their passing angle. they moved the ball by passing it NOT dribbling. the second thing that i realized last night in part due to northwestern and also the 1990 game was that "we" (IU) do not cut toward the basket. the players make cuts side to side towards the out of bounds line. why do we not make cuts TO the basket.. there is no movement away from the ball and no screening away from the ball. why? please enlighten me.
Because we went from the best pure basketball coach of all-time to a guy who can't even get his own team to play hard....and won't do anything about it. I've been seeing this crap since he got here. Good recruiter, just isn't a good enough coach for a program like IU.

Oh, the sideways cuts are partly due to running a 3 man weave instead of an actual offense. Maybe we wouldn't get dominated inside as much if our guards would actually try to get the opposing big men into foul trouble.
We didn't go from Knight to Crean. Davis and Sampson came before Crean and were complete disasters. And I really don't think you can compare Crean to the General because Knight will always be one of the best coaches ever. And you even said Crean was a good recruiter. Well, those big time recruits haven't even made it to campus yet. So, let's wait and see how Crean does when the talent comes in.
I know there were other coaches in between. He was talking about the 1990 team and how they compared to the current team.

As far as not being fair to compare him to Knight.....OK....how about we compare him to the dozens of NCAA coaches who get the most out of their players, who get their kids to play hard, who hold their kids accountable for not doing their 'jobs', etc.
How about to coaches who didn't come in with only nothing but two walk-ons left on the team?
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I actually posted the other day that he should do what Bobby did way back when, when they played Minnesota..... Starters do not play at all the next away game. He may lose by 50, but it never hurt the Hoosiers before.
Are you sure about that? Maybe I'm thinking of a different game, but I remember a game in which MINN jumped all over IU early and because of depth issues Knight didn't want to wear his best players down in what was going to probably be a futile effort to get back into the game. Instead, he rested his guys so they would have a better chance of winning the next game or 2 in what was a pretty tight BT race. I'm basing this all on memory, so I could be way off base.
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over the last 2 weeks i have watched all the games. also, i happened to watch the 1990 IU/kentucky game. what i saw in the 1990 game was that players dribbled the ball to better their passing angle. they moved the ball by passing it NOT dribbling. the second thing that i realized last night in part due to northwestern and also the 1990 game was that "we" (IU) do not cut toward the basket. the players make cuts side to side towards the out of bounds line. why do we not make cuts TO the basket.. there is no movement away from the ball and no screening away from the ball. why? please enlighten me.
Because we went from the best pure basketball coach of all-time to a guy who can't even get his own team to play hard....and won't do anything about it. I've been seeing this crap since he got here. Good recruiter, just isn't a good enough coach for a program like IU.

Oh, the sideways cuts are partly due to running a 3 man weave instead of an actual offense. Maybe we wouldn't get dominated inside as much if our guards would actually try to get the opposing big men into foul trouble.
We didn't go from Knight to Crean. Davis and Sampson came before Crean and were complete disasters. And I really don't think you can compare Crean to the General because Knight will always be one of the best coaches ever. And you even said Crean was a good recruiter. Well, those big time recruits haven't even made it to campus yet. So, let's wait and see how Crean does when the talent comes in.
I know there were other coaches in between. He was talking about the 1990 team and how they compared to the current team.

As far as not being fair to compare him to Knight.....OK....how about we compare him to the dozens of NCAA coaches who get the most out of their players, who get their kids to play hard, who hold their kids accountable for not doing their 'jobs', etc.
How about to coaches who didn't come in with only nothing but two walk-ons left on the team?
What does that have to do with this year's team playing hard? Hustling on defense? Challenging shots, especially perimeter shots? It's time to put that crutch into the closet.
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over the last 2 weeks i have watched all the games. also, i happened to watch the 1990 IU/kentucky game. what i saw in the 1990 game was that players dribbled the ball to better their passing angle. they moved the ball by passing it NOT dribbling. the second thing that i realized last night in part due to northwestern and also the 1990 game was that "we" (IU) do not cut toward the basket. the players make cuts side to side towards the out of bounds line. why do we not make cuts TO the basket.. there is no movement away from the ball and no screening away from the ball. why? please enlighten me.
Because we went from the best pure basketball coach of all-time to a guy who can't even get his own team to play hard....and won't do anything about it. I've been seeing this crap since he got here. Good recruiter, just isn't a good enough coach for a program like IU.

Oh, the sideways cuts are partly due to running a 3 man weave instead of an actual offense. Maybe we wouldn't get dominated inside as much if our guards would actually try to get the opposing big men into foul trouble.
We didn't go from Knight to Crean. Davis and Sampson came before Crean and were complete disasters. And I really don't think you can compare Crean to the General because Knight will always be one of the best coaches ever. And you even said Crean was a good recruiter. Well, those big time recruits haven't even made it to campus yet. So, let's wait and see how Crean does when the talent comes in.
I know there were other coaches in between. He was talking about the 1990 team and how they compared to the current team.

As far as not being fair to compare him to Knight.....OK....how about we compare him to the dozens of NCAA coaches who get the most out of their players, who get their kids to play hard, who hold their kids accountable for not doing their 'jobs', etc.
How about to coaches who didn't come in with only nothing but two walk-ons left on the team?
What does that have to do with this year's team playing hard? Hustling on defense? Challenging shots, especially perimeter shots? It's time to put that crutch into the closet.
You don't think Crean is telling these guys to play hard? Like I said in an earlier post, you can't blame the lack of effort all on Crean. The players are as much to blame as he is. They're the ones out there playing.
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I actually posted the other day that he should do what Bobby did way back when, when they played Minnesota..... Starters do not play at all the next away game. He may lose by 50, but it never hurt the Hoosiers before.
Are you sure about that? Maybe I'm thinking of a different game, but I remember a game in which MINN jumped all over IU early and because of depth issues Knight didn't want to wear his best players down in what was going to probably be a futile effort to get back into the game. Instead, he rested his guys so they would have a better chance of winning the next game or 2 in what was a pretty tight BT race. I'm basing this all on memory, so I could be way off base.
I assumed he was talking about the 'Uwe and the four freshman' game against Illinois.
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Thanks for the video...I laughed.

I don't condone doing shit like that, but at the same time, I'd just assume someone get pissed off about losing and cross the lines of sportsmanship as I would see Watford play like he did in the first half with virtually no emotion or effort....just my thoughts.
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over the last 2 weeks i have watched all the games. also, i happened to watch the 1990 IU/kentucky game. what i saw in the 1990 game was that players dribbled the ball to better their passing angle. they moved the ball by passing it NOT dribbling. the second thing that i realized last night in part due to northwestern and also the 1990 game was that "we" (IU) do not cut toward the basket. the players make cuts side to side towards the out of bounds line. why do we not make cuts TO the basket.. there is no movement away from the ball and no screening away from the ball. why? please enlighten me.
Because we went from the best pure basketball coach of all-time to a guy who can't even get his own team to play hard....and won't do anything about it. I've been seeing this crap since he got here. Good recruiter, just isn't a good enough coach for a program like IU.

Oh, the sideways cuts are partly due to running a 3 man weave instead of an actual offense. Maybe we wouldn't get dominated inside as much if our guards would actually try to get the opposing big men into foul trouble.
We didn't go from Knight to Crean. Davis and Sampson came before Crean and were complete disasters. And I really don't think you can compare Crean to the General because Knight will always be one of the best coaches ever. And you even said Crean was a good recruiter. Well, those big time recruits haven't even made it to campus yet. So, let's wait and see how Crean does when the talent comes in.
I know there were other coaches in between. He was talking about the 1990 team and how they compared to the current team.

As far as not being fair to compare him to Knight.....OK....how about we compare him to the dozens of NCAA coaches who get the most out of their players, who get their kids to play hard, who hold their kids accountable for not doing their 'jobs', etc.
How about to coaches who didn't come in with only nothing but two walk-ons left on the team?
What does that have to do with this year's team playing hard? Hustling on defense? Challenging shots, especially perimeter shots? It's time to put that crutch into the closet.
You don't think Crean is telling these guys to play hard? Like I said in an earlier post, you can't blame the lack of effort all on Crean. The players are as much to blame as he is. They're the ones out there playing.
I think he's telling to do certain things, but he can't make them do it. A good coach imposes his will on players.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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over the last 2 weeks i have watched all the games. also, i happened to watch the 1990 IU/kentucky game. what i saw in the 1990 game was that players dribbled the ball to better their passing angle. they moved the ball by passing it NOT dribbling. the second thing that i realized last night in part due to northwestern and also the 1990 game was that "we" (IU) do not cut toward the basket. the players make cuts side to side towards the out of bounds line. why do we not make cuts TO the basket.. there is no movement away from the ball and no screening away from the ball. why? please enlighten me.
Because we went from the best pure basketball coach of all-time to a guy who can't even get his own team to play hard....and won't do anything about it. I've been seeing this crap since he got here. Good recruiter, just isn't a good enough coach for a program like IU.

Oh, the sideways cuts are partly due to running a 3 man weave instead of an actual offense. Maybe we wouldn't get dominated inside as much if our guards would actually try to get the opposing big men into foul trouble.
We didn't go from Knight to Crean. Davis and Sampson came before Crean and were complete disasters. And I really don't think you can compare Crean to the General because Knight will always be one of the best coaches ever. And you even said Crean was a good recruiter. Well, those big time recruits haven't even made it to campus yet. So, let's wait and see how Crean does when the talent comes in.
I know there were other coaches in between. He was talking about the 1990 team and how they compared to the current team.

As far as not being fair to compare him to Knight.....OK....how about we compare him to the dozens of NCAA coaches who get the most out of their players, who get their kids to play hard, who hold their kids accountable for not doing their 'jobs', etc.
How about to coaches who didn't come in with only nothing but two walk-ons left on the team?
When is this going to stop being an excuse? What timeline do we give him? 3 years, 5 years, what?
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over the last 2 weeks i have watched all the games. also, i happened to watch the 1990 IU/kentucky game. what i saw in the 1990 game was that players dribbled the ball to better their passing angle. they moved the ball by passing it NOT dribbling. the second thing that i realized last night in part due to northwestern and also the 1990 game was that "we" (IU) do not cut toward the basket. the players make cuts side to side towards the out of bounds line. why do we not make cuts TO the basket.. there is no movement away from the ball and no screening away from the ball. why? please enlighten me.
Because we went from the best pure basketball coach of all-time to a guy who can't even get his own team to play hard....and won't do anything about it. I've been seeing this crap since he got here. Good recruiter, just isn't a good enough coach for a program like IU.

Oh, the sideways cuts are partly due to running a 3 man weave instead of an actual offense. Maybe we wouldn't get dominated inside as much if our guards would actually try to get the opposing big men into foul trouble.
We didn't go from Knight to Crean. Davis and Sampson came before Crean and were complete disasters. And I really don't think you can compare Crean to the General because Knight will always be one of the best coaches ever. And you even said Crean was a good recruiter. Well, those big time recruits haven't even made it to campus yet. So, let's wait and see how Crean does when the talent comes in.
I know there were other coaches in between. He was talking about the 1990 team and how they compared to the current team.

As far as not being fair to compare him to Knight.....OK....how about we compare him to the dozens of NCAA coaches who get the most out of their players, who get their kids to play hard, who hold their kids accountable for not doing their 'jobs', etc.
How about to coaches who didn't come in with only nothing but two walk-ons left on the team?
What does that have to do with this year's team playing hard? Hustling on defense? Challenging shots, especially perimeter shots? It's time to put that crutch into the closet.
You don't think Crean is telling these guys to play hard? Like I said in an earlier post, you can't blame the lack of effort all on Crean. The players are as much to blame as he is. They're the ones out there playing.
I think he's telling to do certain things, but he can't make them do it. A good coach imposes his will on players.
A good coach gets his players to WANT to do what they're told. Anyone can impose their will.
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Thanks for the video...I laughed.

I don't condone doing shit like that, but at the same time, I'd just assume someone get pissed off about losing and cross the lines of sportsmanship as I would see Watford play like he did in the first half with virtually no emotion or effort....just my thoughts.
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Your guess is as good as mine lol
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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