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Crean Interview After NW Loss
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obatskii Jan 11 2011, 11:25 AM Post #31
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crveech Jan 11 2011, 11:37 AM Post #32
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over the last 2 weeks i have watched all the games. also, i happened to watch the 1990 IU/kentucky game. what i saw in the 1990 game was that players dribbled the ball to better their passing angle. they moved the ball by passing it NOT dribbling. the second thing that i realized last night in part due to northwestern and also the 1990 game was that "we" (IU) do not cut toward the basket. the players make cuts side to side towards the out of bounds line. why do we not make cuts TO the basket.. there is no movement away from the ball and no screening away from the ball. why? please enlighten me.
Because we went from the best pure basketball coach of all-time to a guy who can't even get his own team to play hard....and won't do anything about it. I've been seeing this crap since he got here. Good recruiter, just isn't a good enough coach for a program like IU.

Oh, the sideways cuts are partly due to running a 3 man weave instead of an actual offense. Maybe we wouldn't get dominated inside as much if our guards would actually try to get the opposing big men into foul trouble.
We didn't go from Knight to Crean. Davis and Sampson came before Crean and were complete disasters. And I really don't think you can compare Crean to the General because Knight will always be one of the best coaches ever. And you even said Crean was a good recruiter. Well, those big time recruits haven't even made it to campus yet. So, let's wait and see how Crean does when the talent comes in.
I know there were other coaches in between. He was talking about the 1990 team and how they compared to the current team.

As far as not being fair to compare him to Knight.....OK....how about we compare him to the dozens of NCAA coaches who get the most out of their players, who get their kids to play hard, who hold their kids accountable for not doing their 'jobs', etc.
How about to coaches who didn't come in with only nothing but two walk-ons left on the team?
When is this going to stop being an excuse? What timeline do we give him? 3 years, 5 years, what?
Do people keep forgetting the talent he has coming in the next couple of years? How about we all quit jumping to conclusions and wait until Crean gets the right talent to go with his system. Seriously, some of you are getting too worked up like the wackos on the Scout board.
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over the last 2 weeks i have watched all the games. also, i happened to watch the 1990 IU/kentucky game. what i saw in the 1990 game was that players dribbled the ball to better their passing angle. they moved the ball by passing it NOT dribbling. the second thing that i realized last night in part due to northwestern and also the 1990 game was that "we" (IU) do not cut toward the basket. the players make cuts side to side towards the out of bounds line. why do we not make cuts TO the basket.. there is no movement away from the ball and no screening away from the ball. why? please enlighten me.
Because we went from the best pure basketball coach of all-time to a guy who can't even get his own team to play hard....and won't do anything about it. I've been seeing this crap since he got here. Good recruiter, just isn't a good enough coach for a program like IU.

Oh, the sideways cuts are partly due to running a 3 man weave instead of an actual offense. Maybe we wouldn't get dominated inside as much if our guards would actually try to get the opposing big men into foul trouble.
We didn't go from Knight to Crean. Davis and Sampson came before Crean and were complete disasters. And I really don't think you can compare Crean to the General because Knight will always be one of the best coaches ever. And you even said Crean was a good recruiter. Well, those big time recruits haven't even made it to campus yet. So, let's wait and see how Crean does when the talent comes in.
I know there were other coaches in between. He was talking about the 1990 team and how they compared to the current team.

As far as not being fair to compare him to Knight.....OK....how about we compare him to the dozens of NCAA coaches who get the most out of their players, who get their kids to play hard, who hold their kids accountable for not doing their 'jobs', etc.
How about to coaches who didn't come in with only nothing but two walk-ons left on the team?
When is this going to stop being an excuse? What timeline do we give him? 3 years, 5 years, what?
Do people keep forgetting the talent he has coming in the next couple of years? How about we all quit jumping to conclusions and wait until Crean gets the right talent to go with his system. Seriously, some of you are getting too worked up like the wackos on the Scout board.
Sounds like you are a little more worked up than I am! ;)

I know exactly what he has coming in and believe me, I am thrilled to death that he has talent coming in and then there will be no excuses.

I just think a good coach can develop players, make them better, and get more out of them. Talent just hides a mediocre coach and makes him look better.

I know a lot people think I may be crazy for saying this, but Matt Painter is a good coach. What he is getting out of that team and the improvement Smith has shown is remarkable. That is what we should see here! ;)
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Purdue's personnel is a tad better. just a tad.
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Purdue's personnel is a tad better. just a tad.
Except that Moore guy.

7-25 shooting in the last 2 games.
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and 11 combined rebounds in 55 minutes of play.

We should bench his ass. No talent Mo-Fo.
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ET Moore = Bust.

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Who's a good coach in your eyes, evil?
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Who's a good coach in your eyes, evil?
Evil will say Coach K, Roy Williams, Izzo, Pitino, Calipari, Calhoun, etc.........but yet won't recognize them getting the best players in the country each and every year, therefore making his statement totally untrue and useless. The best coaches in the country are the ones that CONSISTENTLY take mediocre teams to the NCAA tournament, IMO. How many of them are there?
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Who's a good coach in your eyes, evil?
Evil will say Coach K, Roy Williams, Izzo, Pitino, Calipari, Calhoun, etc.........but yet won't recognize them getting the best players in the country each and every year, therefore making his statement totally untrue and useless. The best coaches in the country are the ones that CONSISTENTLY take mediocre teams to the NCAA tournament, IMO. How many of them are there?
The top coaches that come to mind for me are Coach K, Izzo, Boeheim, Self maybe. I think Calipari is a very good coach and could probably do pretty well with lesser talent if he ever went legit. Roy relies on talent, I think Pitino does too. I like Jamie Dixon at Pitt, and Mike Anderson at Missouri. I'm also pretty bullish with Painter. He adapts his offense around whatever he has available to pull more out than you'd expect, and always has everyone playing all out on defense.
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He adapts his offense around whatever he has available to pull more out than you'd expect, and always has everyone playing all out on defense.
That point right there makes the most sense to me and it has left me scratching my head this season and asking why not us?
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He adapts his offense around whatever he has available to pull more out than you'd expect, and always has everyone playing all out on defense.
That point right there makes the most sense to me and it has left me scratching my head this season and asking why not us?
I don't see a problem with the first part of it overall....we're averaging more points in our losses this year than we averaged in all of our games last season....and we added nothing inside. Defensively, it's been another thing.
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He adapts his offense around whatever he has available to pull more out than you'd expect, and always has everyone playing all out on defense.
That point right there makes the most sense to me and it has left me scratching my head this season and asking why not us?
I can think of several reasons:

Firstly, and most importantly, we just haven't had the time or personnel to implement Crean's full offensive system yet. His offense really requires a pick and roll big guy and a good ball distributor to be effective, which obviously we haven't had. When you think about the constant flux that our personnel has been in lately (this is really the first season where we didn't turnover more than 50% of the players) Crean just really hasn't had enough time to do everything he wants offensively; so this is not what the offense will look like 2 or 3 years from now -- far from it.

Secondly, Crean has made recruiting and bringing in future talent probably the most important aspect of his rebuilding project. In order to recruit players to your school, you have to sell them on your style of play. A lot of guys like playing in the high-tempo, dribble drive, NBA system Crean runs so you have to sell that as one of the main aspects of why they should come to IU. If our teams had run an offense (like say, Motion) that would be easier to implement, how likely would recruits take him at his word that dribble drive would come eventually. You have to be consistent.

Lastly, it's shown up only in the last two games as far as I've seen, but we're starting to run a little bit of Flex, which lends credence to the fact that Crean is throwing in more offensive staples.
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He adapts his offense around whatever he has available to pull more out than you'd expect, and always has everyone playing all out on defense.
That point right there makes the most sense to me and it has left me scratching my head this season and asking why not us?
I can think of several reasons:

Firstly, and most importantly, we just haven't had the time or personnel to implement Crean's full offensive system yet. His offense really requires a pick and roll big guy and a good ball distributor to be effective, which obviously we haven't had. When you think about the constant flux that our personnel has been in lately (this is really the first season where we didn't turnover more than 50% of the players) Crean just really hasn't had enough time to do everything he wants offensively; so this is not what the offense will look like 2 or 3 years from now -- far from it.

Secondly, Crean has made recruiting and bringing in future talent probably the most important aspect of his rebuilding project. In order to recruit players to your school, you have to sell them on your style of play. A lot of guys like playing in the high-tempo, dribble drive, NBA system Crean runs so you have to sell that as one of the main aspects of why they should come to IU. If our teams had run an offense (like say, Motion) that would be easier to implement, how likely would recruits take him at his word that dribble drive would come eventually. You have to be consistent.

Lastly, it's shown up only in the last two games as far as I've seen, but we're starting to run a little bit of Flex, which lends credence to the fact that Crean is throwing in more offensive staples.
nice point on the flex. was impressed with that as well.

personally, i think crean is feeling pretty frustrated with the current bunch as well, though he knows what he has coming in and where he started from and that eventually the program will succeed. but, it's also hard to argue this season has pretty much thus far met the lowest expectations out there (and i'm not just talking wins and losses).
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Who's a good coach in your eyes, evil?
Evil will say Coach K, Roy Williams, Izzo, Pitino, Calipari, Calhoun, etc.........but yet won't recognize them getting the best players in the country each and every year, therefore making his statement totally untrue and useless. The best coaches in the country are the ones that CONSISTENTLY take mediocre teams to the NCAA tournament, IMO. How many of them are there?
The top coaches that come to mind for me are Coach K, Izzo, Boeheim, Self maybe. I think Calipari is a very good coach and could probably do pretty well with lesser talent if he ever went legit. Roy relies on talent, I think Pitino does too. I like Jamie Dixon at Pitt, and Mike Anderson at Missouri. I'm also pretty bullish with Painter. He adapts his offense around whatever he has available to pull more out than you'd expect, and always has everyone playing all out on defense.
Dixon, Anderson, and Bo Ryan are three coaches who get the most out of lesser talent. How many 5-star players or McDonald's All-Americans have these three recruited? Hardly any. Yet they keep making the tournament and turn kids whom most of us have never heard of in high school into good college players and possibly NBA talent.
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