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Crean Interview After NW Loss
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Evilempire Jan 11 2011, 10:12 PM Post #61
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I don't understand why some people would want current success and continued pretty good seasons instead of making a full rehabilitation, struggling for a few years, and being able to compete at a high level after that. to each their own, but i'd rather us not take shortcuts in the rebuilding process.
I could care less if it takes a few years, I just want to see signs that the coach can actually coach at a high level. If winning now isn't as important as doing things the right way, then bench lazy fuckers who don't hustle or try to be heroes instead of just continuing to let them play.

Obviously Crean was concerned with wins and losses this season otherwise he wouldn't have scheduled all those cream puffs. Does anyone really still think it was a good idea to do that?
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Unfortunately, he won't use his bench as a motivator for guys some of you keep saying aren't very good to begin with. How does that make any sense at all?
That is probably the main thing I really have trouble with, especially if this year isn't about wins and loses. Grow some nads and bench some of the repeat offenders who think all they have to do is play hard in practice and they will start every game. To me, the game is an extension of your practice, which means our practices must be pretty awful.

I am willing to give Crean his due, but damnit grow a pair and start disciplining players for screwing up. It worked with Watford and he didn't have to be benched the entire half. I have a feeling that one particular player will take more than one game on the bench to start getting it. I say three games. ;)

By the way, Btown and Evil you both need to start playing nice. Everyone should be entitled to their opinion no matter how homerish or beating a dead horse it is. :cheers:
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I don't understand why some people would want current success and continued pretty good seasons instead of making a full rehabilitation, struggling for a few years, and being able to compete at a high level after that. to each their own, but i'd rather us not take shortcuts in the rebuilding process.
I could care less if it takes a few years, I just want to see signs that the coach can actually coach at a high level. If winning now isn't as important as doing things the right way, then bench lazy fuckers who don't hustle or try to be heroes instead of just continuing to let them play.

Obviously Crean was concerned with wins and losses this season otherwise he wouldn't have scheduled all those cream puffs. Does anyone really still think it was a good idea to do that?
that's not my job. my job is to be a loyal student fan. seriously, as long as the players on the court aren't coked out thugs (like in 07-08) i will support them no matter what. it's coach crean's and fred glass' job to make logistical decisions, and thank god that's the case.

but continue beating your dead horse.
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I've listed my 'tiers' of coaches many times, and Self/RWilliams aren't in the top tier.

First the homers said this season wasn't about wins and losses, which I partly agree with.

Then the homers told me you had to beat up on ridiculously crappy teams to learn how to win even though IU still hasn't beaten any other type of team.

Now the homers are saying that Crean not developing players isn't his fault because they aren't very talented to begin with. So I guess they will be standing up for teachers who don't get 'dumb' kids to improve in the classroom.

After reading some of the comments some of you make, I have come to the conclusion that either:

1. Some of you are complete Crean apologists.
2. Some of you have no idea what is going on.
3. Some of you are just saying stuff like that to get reactions out of people.
And after reading many of your comments on this board, I've come to 3 of my own possible conclusions:

1. You are a troll disguised as an IU fan.
2. You are just saying stuff to get reactions out of people.
3. You're a total douchebag.

Which one is it?
None of the above. I'd just like to see IU hire a guy who can actually coach and make players better. There isn't one player on the roster who has improved much more than just a natural progression with possibly the exception of Hulls.....and that's mostly a shooting thing which you normally work on by yourself.
Yet you were hiding under a rock when Crean started landing all the top-notch recruits. Seriously, you are so full of shit.
Not at all. It's been thrown in my face several times that I said I might stop criticizing Crean for signing certain guys. Unfortunately, he won't use his bench as a motivator for guys some of you keep saying aren't very good to begin with. How does that make any sense at all? Maybe you just haven't been reading the right threads.
Trust me, Evil, I haven't been too happy with how the team has been playing either. All 3 college basketball teams I like to root for are terrible this year: IU, Evansville (hometown), and Western Kentucky (my school). But I see no point in getting bent out of shape over it. I look at this IU team and see so many flaws. There's no true point guard to run the offense, there's no post game, no leadership, and no go-to guy. Will that change next year with Zeller and Etherington coming in? Maybe a little. But I want to stay positive with the incoming talent. Crean did a great job up a Marquette and wasn't getting any of the big name recruits like he has coming in the next couple of seasons.
I wouldn't call it a great job at Marquette. I think he had double digit losses every season except for 1 season with a few NBA players.

I understand that this team is missing parts, but that doesn't excuse a lack of effort, little basketball IQ, leaving shooters wide open all the time, and all of the other dumb shit this team does. Those things fall back on the coach. If certain guys aren't getting it done, then put the walk-ons in the game to show them what effort looks like. I'd rather lose by 30 with guys who are working their asses off than lose by 9-14 with guys who give little effort.

I'm not measuring this team by wins and losses, but I guarantee you they would have more wins the past few seasons if Crean would just get them to play harder/smarter. This is why I think Alford would have won more games with the same players/situations.....I guarantee he wouldn't put up with the lack of effort, and his players would play smarter.
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I don't understand why some people would want current success and continued pretty good seasons instead of making a full rehabilitation, struggling for a few years, and being able to compete at a high level after that. to each their own, but i'd rather us not take shortcuts in the rebuilding process.
I could care less if it takes a few years, I just want to see signs that the coach can actually coach at a high level. If winning now isn't as important as doing things the right way, then bench lazy fuckers who don't hustle or try to be heroes instead of just continuing to let them play.

Obviously Crean was concerned with wins and losses this season otherwise he wouldn't have scheduled all those cream puffs. Does anyone really still think it was a good idea to do that?
that's not my job. my job is to be a loyal student fan. seriously, as long as the players on the court aren't coked out thugs (like in 07-08) i will support them no matter what. it's coach crean's and fred glass' job to make logistical decisions, and thank god that's the case.

but continue beating your dead horse.
So you were completely glass half full during the Mike Davis era?............somehow I doubt that.
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I don't understand why some people would want current success and continued pretty good seasons instead of making a full rehabilitation, struggling for a few years, and being able to compete at a high level after that. to each their own, but i'd rather us not take shortcuts in the rebuilding process.
I could care less if it takes a few years, I just want to see signs that the coach can actually coach at a high level. If winning now isn't as important as doing things the right way, then bench lazy fuckers who don't hustle or try to be heroes instead of just continuing to let them play.

Obviously Crean was concerned with wins and losses this season otherwise he wouldn't have scheduled all those cream puffs. Does anyone really still think it was a good idea to do that?
that's not my job. my job is to be a loyal student fan. seriously, as long as the players on the court aren't coked out thugs (like in 07-08) i will support them no matter what. it's coach crean's and fred glass' job to make logistical decisions, and thank god that's the case.

but continue beating your dead horse.
So you were completely glass half full during the Mike Davis era?............somehow I doubt that.
lol i was like 12.
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I guarantee he wouldn't put up with the lack of effort, and his players would play smarter.
it's funny you should mention that because New Mexico is coming off of a bad loss to Wyoming by one point where stupid play and turnovers plagued them. I'm not sure how Alford handled it, but I just read that earlier today so that was ironic.
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I guarantee he wouldn't put up with the lack of effort, and his players would play smarter.
it's funny you should mention that because New Mexico is coming off of a bad loss to Wyoming by one point where stupid play and turnovers plagued them. I'm not sure how Alford handled it, but I just read that earlier today so that was ironic.
So they had a terrible game turnover wise and committed just about as many as IU averages? They lost because of free throws and a guy hitting a shot at the buzzer to beat them......and the game was on the road for what it's worth.
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I guarantee he wouldn't put up with the lack of effort, and his players would play smarter.
it's funny you should mention that because New Mexico is coming off of a bad loss to Wyoming by one point where stupid play and turnovers plagued them. I'm not sure how Alford handled it, but I just read that earlier today so that was ironic.
So they had a terrible game turnover wise and committed just about as many as IU averages? They lost because of free throws and a guy hitting a shot at the buzzer to beat them......and the game was on the road for what it's worth.
haha ok i'm just saying it was ironic because i had just read an article about it. i didn't see the game so i won't comment on it.
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I guarantee he wouldn't put up with the lack of effort, and his players would play smarter.
it's funny you should mention that because New Mexico is coming off of a bad loss to Wyoming by one point where stupid play and turnovers plagued them. I'm not sure how Alford handled it, but I just read that earlier today so that was ironic.
So they had a terrible game turnover wise and committed just about as many as IU averages? They lost because of free throws and a guy hitting a shot at the buzzer to beat them......and the game was on the road for what it's worth.
So you saw the game or looked at the box score? Hypocrite much?

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I guarantee he wouldn't put up with the lack of effort, and his players would play smarter.
it's funny you should mention that because New Mexico is coming off of a bad loss to Wyoming by one point where stupid play and turnovers plagued them. I'm not sure how Alford handled it, but I just read that earlier today so that was ironic.
So they had a terrible game turnover wise and committed just about as many as IU averages? They lost because of free throws and a guy hitting a shot at the buzzer to beat them......and the game was on the road for what it's worth.
So you saw the game or looked at the box score? Hypocrite much?

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http://blogs.heraldtimesonline.../110109_001.mp3

Couple of things I took out of this interview. You can tell in his tone that Crean is frustrated. He starts off by saying how the team played with no discipline in the first half, gave Shurna too many open looks by not getting back on defense, and getting out toughed by Mirkovic in the paint. He also brings up that VO and Sheehey have to be on the floor because the bring the energy. And that is just plain sad when you know your most energetic players are your freshmen. He also will take a look at Elston's trip, and I really hope he sits Elston for at least a game.

We can all sit here and blame Crean for his team not playing hard enough, but the coach can only do so much. A lot of this rests on the players. They're the ones who are playing the game, so they are the ones who need to get their attitudes straight. They can just sit around and mope about how much they suck and can't beat any decent teams, or they get their heads out of their asses and go play their hearts out. I liked how Watford was benched early in the game for not playing hard enough, which seemed to motivate him towards the end. And there is no call for what Elston did. I understand he was frustrated, but there is no room in college basketball for that bullshit.

So, Crean can do all he can to get these guys motivated for the Michigan game. But it will come down to if the players want to put forth the effort and go out to get a win.
it's pretty hard for me to blame the players without blaming the coach.....he selects them, coaches them, and motivates them (or lack of in this case)

When will we stop giving him a free pass?
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http://blogs.heraldtimesonline.../110109_001.mp3

Couple of things I took out of this interview. You can tell in his tone that Crean is frustrated. He starts off by saying how the team played with no discipline in the first half, gave Shurna too many open looks by not getting back on defense, and getting out toughed by Mirkovic in the paint. He also brings up that VO and Sheehey have to be on the floor because the bring the energy. And that is just plain sad when you know your most energetic players are your freshmen. He also will take a look at Elston's trip, and I really hope he sits Elston for at least a game.

We can all sit here and blame Crean for his team not playing hard enough, but the coach can only do so much. A lot of this rests on the players. They're the ones who are playing the game, so they are the ones who need to get their attitudes straight. They can just sit around and mope about how much they suck and can't beat any decent teams, or they get their heads out of their asses and go play their hearts out. I liked how Watford was benched early in the game for not playing hard enough, which seemed to motivate him towards the end. And there is no call for what Elston did. I understand he was frustrated, but there is no room in college basketball for that bullshit.

So, Crean can do all he can to get these guys motivated for the Michigan game. But it will come down to if the players want to put forth the effort and go out to get a win.
it's pretty hard for me to blame the players without blaming the coach.....he selects them, coaches them, and motivates them (or lack of in this case)

When will we stop giving him a free pass?
Selects them: Crean never recruited Pritchard or Roth. They are leftovers from Sampson. Jones was apart of a class that Crean put threw together his first year. The 2009 and 2010 classes are good but not great because Crean was behind in recruitment due to changing programs.

Coaches them: Yes, Crean is their coach and must take full responsibility for the losses. But who are the ones out on the court playing the game?

Motivates them: Sometimes a coach can do all he can to motivate his players. These players have to have the mindset that they want to be motivated. It's very easy for them to listen to their coach but do nothing about it.

I'm not saying Crean deserves no blame for how this team is performing. All I'm saying is that some people need to wake up and realize that there is very little talent on this team and too many holes. That doesn't mean they are excused from playing with little effort. But the players are as much to blame for that as the coach is.
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Couple of things I took out of this interview. You can tell in his tone that Crean is frustrated. He starts off by saying how the team played with no discipline in the first half, gave Shurna too many open looks by not getting back on defense, and getting out toughed by Mirkovic in the paint. He also brings up that VO and Sheehey have to be on the floor because the bring the energy. And that is just plain sad when you know your most energetic players are your freshmen. He also will take a look at Elston's trip, and I really hope he sits Elston for at least a game.

We can all sit here and blame Crean for his team not playing hard enough, but the coach can only do so much. A lot of this rests on the players. They're the ones who are playing the game, so they are the ones who need to get their attitudes straight. They can just sit around and mope about how much they suck and can't beat any decent teams, or they get their heads out of their asses and go play their hearts out. I liked how Watford was benched early in the game for not playing hard enough, which seemed to motivate him towards the end. And there is no call for what Elston did. I understand he was frustrated, but there is no room in college basketball for that bullshit.

So, Crean can do all he can to get these guys motivated for the Michigan game. But it will come down to if the players want to put forth the effort and go out to get a win.
it's pretty hard for me to blame the players without blaming the coach.....he selects them, coaches them, and motivates them (or lack of in this case)

When will we stop giving him a free pass?
Selects them: Crean never recruited Pritchard or Roth. They are leftovers from Sampson. Jones was apart of a class that Crean put threw together his first year. The 2009 and 2010 classes are good but not great because Crean was behind in recruitment due to changing programs.

Coaches them: Yes, Crean is their coach and must take full responsibility for the losses. But who are the ones out on the court playing the game?

Motivates them: Sometimes a coach can do all he can to motivate his players. These players have to have the mindset that they want to be motivated. It's very easy for them to listen to their coach but do nothing about it.

I'm not saying Crean deserves no blame for how this team is performing. All I'm saying is that some people need to wake up and realize that there is very little talent on this team and too many holes. That doesn't mean they are excused from playing with little effort. But the players are as much to blame for that as the coach is.
It's about 50/50 IMO.
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I was actually talking about the Minny game. I very well could have been wrong, I was young, but I thought for sure that it was said that he didnt play starters because they were not playing as tough as he thought they should. Like I said I could be wrong.
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