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Evilempire Jan 16 2011, 10:24 AM Post #16
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It's good to win, but lets not get too excited. IU had almost a week of rest while MICH played WISC-KANSAS-OSU in the 10 days or so leading up to that game, including taking KANSAS to OT and only losing by 4 to OSU. This was obviously a letdown game for them, and it showed in the 1st half. It was nice to see IU playing with a lot more effort. I'm more interested to see how the next 5 games play out from an energy/effort standpoint.
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It's good to win, but lets not get too excited. IU had almost a week of rest while MICH played WISC-KANSAS-OSU in the 10 days or so leading up to that game, including taking KANSAS to OT and only losing by 4 to OSU. This was obviously a letdown game for them, and it showed in the 1st half. It was nice to see IU playing with a lot more effort. I'm more interested to see how the next 5 games play out from an energy/effort standpoint.
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It's good to win, but lets not get too excited. IU had almost a week of rest while MICH played WISC-KANSAS-OSU in the 10 days or so leading up to that game, including taking KANSAS to OT and only losing by 4 to OSU. This was obviously a letdown game for them, and it showed in the 1st half. It was nice to see IU playing with a lot more effort. I'm more interested to see how the next 5 games play out from an energy/effort standpoint.
Obviously we ALL want continued play like this....Duh! But "It's good to win", four words, is all you really have to say about the improved effort and overall play. Regardless of Michigan's past games, that's really all you got?? What a fucking hater! :wtf:

You just can't seem to give ANY credit when it is due. Did we play perfecr, no. But we definitely made some changes and played much harder overall. Give a few props for once. And you wonder why people questiion your motives....Pfft.
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can't wait to see if this carries over to the next games....only time will tell.

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IU by 7

"Michigan has #2 OSU and #3 Kansas leading up to this game. Ouchie.I think that could benefit them. They will be used to stepping up their game because of the competition they are playing. Not saying IU shouldn't win this game, but unless MICH is totally beat up I think it will be close." - Evilempire


NOTE: First Evil said the hard week on Mich's schedule would help them...........now, since IU won the game, it is the reason for their demise?? Nice!


"It's good to win, but lets not get too excited. IU had almost a week of rest while MICH played WISC-KANSAS-OSU in the 10 days or so leading up to that game, including taking KANSAS to OT and only losing by 4 to OSU. This was obviously a letdown game for them, and it showed in the 1st half. It was nice to see IU playing with a lot more effort. I'm more interested to see how the next 5 games play out from an energy/effort standpoint." - Evilempire


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IU by 7

"Michigan has #2 OSU and #3 Kansas leading up to this game. Ouchie.I think that could benefit them. They will be used to stepping up their game because of the competition they are playing. Not saying IU shouldn't win this game, but unless MICH is totally beat up I think it will be close." - Evilempire


NOTE: First Evil said the hard week on Mich's schedule would help them...........now, since IU won the game, it is the reason for their demise?? Nice!


"It's good to win, but lets not get too excited. IU had almost a week of rest while MICH played WISC-KANSAS-OSU in the 10 days or so leading up to that game, including taking KANSAS to OT and only losing by 4 to OSU. This was obviously a letdown game for them, and it showed in the 1st half. It was nice to see IU playing with a lot more effort. I'm more interested to see how the next 5 games play out from an energy/effort standpoint." - Evilempire


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It does sound like he contradicted himself. It is like a weather person, they can predict the weather and say one thing but really mean another. They are never wrong with what they say and how they say it. Either way, Evil was right, now wasn't he. ;)
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third, hated seeing how many upper classmen were involved from the get go. while on one hand it was great to see crean actually having imprinted upon them what has to be done in order to win, if this latest experiment doesn't hold with respect to next couple games then i want it dropped completely. it almost felt like it was 'one last call for who i wanted to step up from the beginning of the year'
Say what? The players actually responding to the staff is a bad thing?

Better talent is going to help a lot in the future, but the coaching staff being able to get a certain effort and level of play out of that talent is the most important thing of all.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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third, hated seeing how many upper classmen were involved from the get go. while on one hand it was great to see crean actually having imprinted upon them what has to be done in order to win, if this latest experiment doesn't hold with respect to next couple games then i want it dropped completely. it almost felt like it was 'one last call for who i wanted to step up from the beginning of the year'
Say what? The players actually responding to the staff is a bad thing?

Better talent is going to help a lot in the future, but the coaching staff being able to get a certain effort and level of play out of that talent is the most important thing of all.
To reiterate what DC is saying:

I seriously doubt that Tom Crean is going to go to

Jeremiah Rivers and say, "Hey thanks for transferring to IU, I know you may have a future in playing basketball beyond college, but we're going young so :fuckyou: ."

and to Verdell Jones and say, "Hey thanks for literally growing up with our program. Thanks for being one of my first recruits here at Indiana. Thanks for being one of the quickest Hoosiers to one thousand points, but we're going young so :fuckyou: ."

and to Tom Pritchard and say, "Hey thanks for honoring your commitment to the University even after all the stuff went down. Thanks for dealing with all the ups and downs that we've had, but we're going young so :fuckyou: ."

and so on. A letter of intent is a two way street. Indiana University and Tom Crean still owe A HELLUVA LOT to the upperclassmen in this program. Benching them in favor of a youth movement (as if we already aren't youthful enough) would be foolish, classless, and completely disrespectful.
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third, hated seeing how many upper classmen were involved from the get go. while on one hand it was great to see crean actually having imprinted upon them what has to be done in order to win, if this latest experiment doesn't hold with respect to next couple games then i want it dropped completely. it almost felt like it was 'one last call for who i wanted to step up from the beginning of the year'
Say what? The players actually responding to the staff is a bad thing?

Better talent is going to help a lot in the future, but the coaching staff being able to get a certain effort and level of play out of that talent is the most important thing of all.
To reiterate what DC is saying:

I seriously doubt that Tom Crean is going to go to

Jeremiah Rivers and say, "Hey thanks for transferring to IU, I know you may have a future in playing basketball beyond college, but we're going young so :fuckyou: ."

and to Verdell Jones and say, "Hey thanks for literally growing up with our program. Thanks for being one of my first recruits here at Indiana. Thanks for being one of the quickest Hoosiers to one thousand points, but we're going young so :fuckyou: ."

and to Tom Pritchard and say, "Hey thanks for honoring your commitment to the University even after all the stuff went down. Thanks for dealing with all the ups and downs that we've had, but we're going young so :fuckyou: ."

and so on. A letter of intent is a two way street. Indiana University and Tom Crean still owe A HELLUVA LOT to the upperclassmen in this program. Benching them in favor of a youth movement (as if we already aren't youthful enough) would be foolish, classless, and completely disrespectful.
I would say just benching them for a few games, not the entire season, if this little experiment doesn't work. They need to get the message one way or the other. I think the program still needs them to play and to produce, it is just that their roles may reduce some, if this experiment doesn't work.
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third, hated seeing how many upper classmen were involved from the get go. while on one hand it was great to see crean actually having imprinted upon them what has to be done in order to win, if this latest experiment doesn't hold with respect to next couple games then i want it dropped completely. it almost felt like it was 'one last call for who i wanted to step up from the beginning of the year'
Say what? The players actually responding to the staff is a bad thing?

Better talent is going to help a lot in the future, but the coaching staff being able to get a certain effort and level of play out of that talent is the most important thing of all.
To reiterate what DC is saying:

I seriously doubt that Tom Crean is going to go to

Jeremiah Rivers and say, "Hey thanks for transferring to IU, I know you may have a future in playing basketball beyond college, but we're going young so :fuckyou: ."

and to Verdell Jones and say, "Hey thanks for literally growing up with our program. Thanks for being one of my first recruits here at Indiana. Thanks for being one of the quickest Hoosiers to one thousand points, but we're going young so :fuckyou: ."

and to Tom Pritchard and say, "Hey thanks for honoring your commitment to the University even after all the stuff went down. Thanks for dealing with all the ups and downs that we've had, but we're going young so :fuckyou: ."

and so on. A letter of intent is a two way street. Indiana University and Tom Crean still owe A HELLUVA LOT to the upperclassmen in this program. Benching them in favor of a youth movement (as if we already aren't youthful enough) would be foolish, classless, and completely disrespectful.
I would say just benching them for a few games, not the entire season, if this little experiment doesn't work. They need to get the message one way or the other. I think the program still needs them to play and to produce, it is just that their roles may reduce some, if this experiment doesn't work.
What experiment are we talking about?

And who do you want benched for a couple games?

I thought Pritchard and Verdell both played great the other night; let's collectively get off their asses for a bit.
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third, hated seeing how many upper classmen were involved from the get go. while on one hand it was great to see crean actually having imprinted upon them what has to be done in order to win, if this latest experiment doesn't hold with respect to next couple games then i want it dropped completely. it almost felt like it was 'one last call for who i wanted to step up from the beginning of the year'
Say what? The players actually responding to the staff is a bad thing?

Better talent is going to help a lot in the future, but the coaching staff being able to get a certain effort and level of play out of that talent is the most important thing of all.
To reiterate what DC is saying:

I seriously doubt that Tom Crean is going to go to

Jeremiah Rivers and say, "Hey thanks for transferring to IU, I know you may have a future in playing basketball beyond college, but we're going young so :fuckyou: ."

and to Verdell Jones and say, "Hey thanks for literally growing up with our program. Thanks for being one of my first recruits here at Indiana. Thanks for being one of the quickest Hoosiers to one thousand points, but we're going young so :fuckyou: ."

and to Tom Pritchard and say, "Hey thanks for honoring your commitment to the University even after all the stuff went down. Thanks for dealing with all the ups and downs that we've had, but we're going young so :fuckyou: ."

and so on. A letter of intent is a two way street. Indiana University and Tom Crean still owe A HELLUVA LOT to the upperclassmen in this program. Benching them in favor of a youth movement (as if we already aren't youthful enough) would be foolish, classless, and completely disrespectful.
I would say just benching them for a few games, not the entire season, if this little experiment doesn't work. They need to get the message one way or the other. I think the program still needs them to play and to produce, it is just that their roles may reduce some, if this experiment doesn't work.
What experiment are we talking about?

And who do you want benched for a couple games?

I thought Pritchard and Verdell both played great the other night; let's collectively get off their asses for a bit.
No. If I want to criticize them, it is my prerogative. ;)

It was only one game; we didn't win the NCAA championship. I want to see consistency in their play from that game on.

The experiment that panchen was eluding to was that if this does carryover for many games in a row, then what ever Crean done to increase their intensity, focus, and motivation has helped. If it only lasts for a game or two, then try something else. I just happen to mention benching as one sort of motivation; the other could be to kick their asses off the team. ;)

Which do you prefer? ;)

He is just suggesting using another means of motivation if this doesn't work.
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third, hated seeing how many upper classmen were involved from the get go. while on one hand it was great to see crean actually having imprinted upon them what has to be done in order to win, if this latest experiment doesn't hold with respect to next couple games then i want it dropped completely. it almost felt like it was 'one last call for who i wanted to step up from the beginning of the year'
Say what? The players actually responding to the staff is a bad thing?

Better talent is going to help a lot in the future, but the coaching staff being able to get a certain effort and level of play out of that talent is the most important thing of all.
To reiterate what DC is saying:

I seriously doubt that Tom Crean is going to go to

Jeremiah Rivers and say, "Hey thanks for transferring to IU, I know you may have a future in playing basketball beyond college, but we're going young so :fuckyou: ."

and to Verdell Jones and say, "Hey thanks for literally growing up with our program. Thanks for being one of my first recruits here at Indiana. Thanks for being one of the quickest Hoosiers to one thousand points, but we're going young so :fuckyou: ."

and to Tom Pritchard and say, "Hey thanks for honoring your commitment to the University even after all the stuff went down. Thanks for dealing with all the ups and downs that we've had, but we're going young so :fuckyou: ."

and so on. A letter of intent is a two way street. Indiana University and Tom Crean still owe A HELLUVA LOT to the upperclassmen in this program. Benching them in favor of a youth movement (as if we already aren't youthful enough) would be foolish, classless, and completely disrespectful.
I would say just benching them for a few games, not the entire season, if this little experiment doesn't work. They need to get the message one way or the other. I think the program still needs them to play and to produce, it is just that their roles may reduce some, if this experiment doesn't work.
What experiment are we talking about?

And who do you want benched for a couple games?

I thought Pritchard and Verdell both played great the other night; let's collectively get off their asses for a bit.
No. If I want to criticize them, it is my prerogative. ;)

It was only one game; we didn't win the NCAA championship. I want to see consistency in their play from that game on.

The experiment that panchen was eluding to was that if this does carryover for many games in a row, then what ever Crean done to increase their intensity, focus, and motivation has helped. If it only lasts for a game or two, then try something else. I just happen to mention benching as one sort of motivation; the other could be to kick their asses off the team. ;)

Which do you prefer? ;)

He is just suggesting using another means of motivation if this doesn't work.
Yes, you're right, it is your prerogative. However, if you're constantly negative even after they play well, then you're just going to look like a jackass like Evil. You're not even close to his category, but if you're always negative, then that's what will happen.

It's just ridiculous to think that Crean is going to bench any of the aforementioned players for "games" at a time. I loved Verdell's intensity as much as anyone the other night, but even if he goes back to half-assed defense along with Watford, we still can't afford to sit them or anyone else for that matter...unless you want to get beat my 40 every night; we desperately need their scoring, and in particular, Verdell's ability to create his own shot at times.

Run their asses off in practice; sitting them indefinitely isn't going to help anything. Maybe for the start of the game or half like with Watford at Northwestern, but certainly not for "games". It will just build resentment between the players and coach.
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It's just ridiculous to think that Crean is going to bench any of the aforementioned players for "games" at a time.
Agreed. You aren't going to punish a player for playing poorly by suspending him for multiple games. Talk about destroying a kid's confidence...
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It's just ridiculous to think that Crean is going to bench any of the aforementioned players for "games" at a time.
Agreed. You aren't going to punish a player for playing poorly by suspending him for multiple games. Talk about destroying a kid's confidence...
IMO, it is not about confidence, it is about motivation. It is about pressing the right button to get them to play harder, with more focus and better judgement. I would rather get beat by 40 if it proves a point and gets players more motivated to play in future games. Also, if running their ass off motivates them, then so be it. If carry pig shit out of a pig staul motivates them, then so be it. If not screwing the fatest, nastiest, slimyest bitch on campus motivates them, then so be it. That is all we want and I think that is pretty much what panchen is saying as well. Crean just needs to keep pressing the right buttons. He did against Michigan and hopefully it will continue against Wisky. I don't expect them to win up there, but just play hard, make good decisions, and compete. I am sure that everyone wants that.

By the way Obat, I have been messing with you for most of this shit. You usually have good humor, but lately you have been too serious minded. What is wrong buddy, haven't you gotten laid lately? ;)

When I use this ;) I am just kidding around.
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