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Pujols vs. Fielder; Who's your man?
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Albert Pujols is a phenom. He's the best player in baseball and one of the top 5 of all time.
Whoa....easy there trigger, top 5 of all time?
When all is said and done, yer gonna have people arguing he is THE best of all time. Watch him now, cuz you'll be telling yer grandkids about him later.
that's pretty bold...it's been a long time since a player was even talked about as the best of all time at the end of his career. Since we eliminate the roid boys, Griffey is probably the best in the last 30 years or so, and I doubt he even cracks the top 10 of all time. Pujols will most likely end up with Griffey like stats plus a higher average and some rings, but best of all time....that's a tough one
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In Griffey's best years his OPS was barely over 1000. Pujols's career average for OPS is better than any year Griffey ever had (except for 1). Pujols>>>>Griffey
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In Griffey's best years his OPS was barely over 1000. Pujols's career average for OPS is better than any year Griffey ever had (except for 1). Pujols>>>>Griffey
Yeah Pujols is actually number 5 right all time OPS. And Barry Bonds - who is a proven steroid cheat and has severly inflated power numbers his last few years - is number 4. Also lets just for fun say he cracks the 600 HR barrier - which barring injuries I think he is a lock for - he would most likely have the second highest batting average of any member of the 600HR club. Not to mention the fact that he has turned himself into a darn good fielder. And yeah I don't think it is a stretch to believe that when he is done he will be top 5 all time.
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And if it wasn't for the contract difference it wouldn't even be a discussion. I mean Fielder's career year, and Pujols worst and it isn't like Fielder is just blowing him out of the water.
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:rofl: wow....great thread


Prince Fielder??
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And if it wasn't for the contract difference it wouldn't even be a discussion. I mean Fielder's career year, and Pujols worst and it isn't like Fielder is just blowing him out of the water.
It's not a career year for Fielder. His stats in 2009 were every bit as good as this year if not better. His batting average and OBP were nearly identical, while posting higher OPS, SLG, and having better power numbers. Last year he dropped off a bit, but he has definitely rebounded this year.
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:rofl: wow....great thread


Prince Fielder??
Pujols must really be slacking if he could be mentioned in the same breath going forward as terrible players such as Prince Fielder!

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In Griffey's best years his OPS was barely over 1000. Pujols's career average for OPS is better than any year Griffey ever had (except for 1). Pujols>>>>Griffey
Great players have fallen off a cliff at the end of their careers, which kept them out of the "greatest of all time" discussion...Griffey certainly is one of those. Pujols has a ways to go to get past that, and if he is clean (not saying he isn't) that will prove to be a challenge.
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In Griffey's best years his OPS was barely over 1000. Pujols's career average for OPS is better than any year Griffey ever had (except for 1). Pujols>>>>Griffey
Great players have fallen off a cliff at the end of their careers, which kept them out of the "greatest of all time" discussion...Griffey certainly is one of those. Pujols has a ways to go to get past that, and if he is clean (not saying he isn't) that will prove to be a challenge.
Pujols will certainly fall off late in his career, but it's not like his stats are based on just a few years. He's already been in the majors for over 10 years. He's got 10 more years in him with 5 of those being elite. His numbers by the time he's done will match up with the some of the best of all time.
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In Griffey's best years his OPS was barely over 1000. Pujols's career average for OPS is better than any year Griffey ever had (except for 1). Pujols>>>>Griffey
Great players have fallen off a cliff at the end of their careers, which kept them out of the "greatest of all time" discussion...Griffey certainly is one of those. Pujols has a ways to go to get past that, and if he is clean (not saying he isn't) that will prove to be a challenge.
Pujols will certainly fall off late in his career, but it's not like his stats are based on just a few years. He's already been in the majors for over 10 years. He's got 10 more years in him with 5 of those being elite. His numbers by the time he's done will match up with the some of the best of all time.
Even if Pujols only hits home rums a year he will pass in a little over seasons. Considering his game average for homers is 42 I would says it is a pretty good bet that barring major injuries he will pass Griffey. And it isn't inconceivable that if he can stay relatively healthy he will hit 700 for his career. I am not saying that will happen, but it is doable.
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Prince Fielder??
Pujols must really be slacking if he could be mentioned in the same breath going forward as terrible players such as Prince Fielder!

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This thread isnt quite ridiculous enough to shoot yourself ;)

No sane individual takes Fielder over Pujols.
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I never said I would either, but I think it's a fair conversation.
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I never said I would either, but I think it's a fair conversation.
Only because the contracts.

Take that away and you get potentially one of the top 5 or 6 players all time versus a good player. That really isn't fair.
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I never said I would either, but I think it's a fair conversation.
Only because the contracts.

Take that away and you get potentially one of the top 5 or 6 players all time versus a good player. That really isn't fair.
Not just because of the contracts. Again, Albert has dropped his batting average 3 straight years, injuries have started to plague him this year, and he's almost 4 1/2 years older.

I don't think some of you give Fielder enough credit either. He's been REALLY good the last 5 years.
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I never said I would either, but I think it's a fair conversation.
Only because the contracts.

Take that away and you get potentially one of the top 5 or 6 players all time versus a good player. That really isn't fair.
Not just because of the contracts. Again, Albert has dropped his batting average 3 straight years, injuries have started to plague him this year, and he's almost 4 1/2 years older.

I don't think some of you give Fielder enough credit either. He's been REALLY good the last 5 years.
I'm not buying the injuries are plaguing him argument. It was a freak accident. The guy broke his wrist and came back 2 weeks later after it was reported he'd be out 6-8 weeks. He's a machine. And to keep hitting as well as he is with a broken wrist is ridiculous. He's better now than Fielder and he'll continue to be better than Fielder for the next several years IMO.
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