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This will always make me sick!
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dedicatedIUfan Aug 18 2011, 01:02 PM Post #1
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I ran across this article on the 2012 class and Kensucky is in the running for the top 4 and several others in the top 25. Him being able to land these type of kids makes me sick and always will, mostly because it is Kensucky and the rest because he is a slime ball.

How would these potential one and done's affect the APR? Especially considering the new rule being implemented by the new NCAA president.

Here is the link to the article, but only read top 2/3rds of the article pertaining to recruiting:

http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/08/15/good-week-to-be-a-kentucky-fan/#more-56098
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dreachon Aug 18 2011, 01:18 PM Post #2
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Honestly, it doesn't bother me at all. He's chosen the revolving door model and it is a successful one, but as a hardcore fan I feel like I invest so much into the players. Learning about them and their backgrounds. Watching them evolve and develop. Seeing them get involved in the local community. It would be really disappointing to start this process over every single year with so many kids. It work for them, but I have no jealousy or anger towards them landing these top kids at all.
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Fuck 'em. Karma does people right in the end, so I have no doubt in my mind Cal gets his.


SEC basketball? I just don't see the attraction there, at all. The only thing I can think of is their facilities, their depth of "stars", and their payout.
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as a hardcore fan I feel like I invest so much into the players. Learning about them and their backgrounds. Watching them evolve and develop.
Totally agree.

There was nothing like watching D.J. White stay and develop into the player he was at the college level, through all the diversity to say the least.

What a great kid.

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I've wondered the same, Dedicated. I don't know the APR rules very well, but I thought transfers/early departures killed the number. How would that work for Kentucky when maybe a quarter of the players who come in actually graduate?
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I've wondered the same, Dedicated. I don't know the APR rules very well, but I thought transfers/early departures killed the number. How would that work for Kentucky when maybe a quarter of the players who come in actually graduate?
I don't know how it works but I do know that there may be some altering involved or easy classes. ;)

Maybe the practice squad, managers, and grad assistants play a role in the APR.

I think the NCAA is trying to clean up college basketball and keep these teams like Kentucky from monopolizing the one and done players.
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I've wondered the same, Dedicated. I don't know the APR rules very well, but I thought transfers/early departures killed the number. How would that work for Kentucky when maybe a quarter of the players who come in actually graduate?
I don't think it does any more unless they depart during the year. I believe that it is based on a yearly basis only. I don't think APR follows the kid to the following year.

Anyway, it's not like Cal has ever had a team in the final four.
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I've wondered the same, Dedicated. I don't know the APR rules very well, but I thought transfers/early departures killed the number. How would that work for Kentucky when maybe a quarter of the players who come in actually graduate?
Each athlete gets 1 possible point for being academically eligilble and 1 for staying in school. The best score any player can have is 2 of 2.

In the case of athletes turning pro, they can only get a point for remaining eligible. The highest score they can get is 1 or 1.

In the case of transfers, if the transferring student has a GPA of 2.6 (I think) there is no penalty for not staying in school (1 of 1) If they are below a 2.6 GPA then the cost of a transfer hits.


So you add up all the teams points, divide by the total points possible, and multiply by 1000.


The 'leaving for the pros' and 'transferring in good standing' changes were not always in the APR calculation.
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eel -- what is keeping a kid who is flunking his second semester classes his senior year from just dropping out and throwing his name into the pro draft to keep the school from getting an APR hit? Not that any booster would entice him to do so.....
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eel -- what is keeping a kid who is flunking his second semester classes his senior year from just dropping out and throwing his name into the pro draft to keep the school from getting an APR hit? Not that any booster would entice him to do so.....
Don't know. Anger the the school for giving him bad grades?
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eel -- what is keeping a kid who is flunking his second semester classes his senior year from just dropping out and throwing his name into the pro draft to keep the school from getting an APR hit? Not that any booster would entice him to do so.....
Don't know. Anger the the school for giving him bad grades?
$ from boosters trump anger, I would think.
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eel -- what is keeping a kid who is flunking his second semester classes his senior year from just dropping out and throwing his name into the pro draft to keep the school from getting an APR hit? Not that any booster would entice him to do so.....
Don't know. Anger the the school for giving him bad grades?
$ from boosters trump anger, I would think.
Yeah. I could be bought for the right price.
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eel -- what is keeping a kid who is flunking his second semester classes his senior year from just dropping out and throwing his name into the pro draft to keep the school from getting an APR hit? Not that any booster would entice him to do so.....
Don't know. Anger the the school for giving him bad grades?
$ from boosters trump anger, I would think.
Yeah. I could be bought for the right price.
I got $7.
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eel -- what is keeping a kid who is flunking his second semester classes his senior year from just dropping out and throwing his name into the pro draft to keep the school from getting an APR hit? Not that any booster would entice him to do so.....
Don't know. Anger the the school for giving him bad grades?
$ from boosters trump anger, I would think.
Yeah. I could be bought for the right price.
I got $7.
Ok, send it to me and I will declare for the next NBA draft to save Purdue a retroactive APR hit.

Easy-Peasy.
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eel -- what is keeping a kid who is flunking his second semester classes his senior year from just dropping out and throwing his name into the pro draft to keep the school from getting an APR hit? Not that any booster would entice him to do so.....
Don't know. Anger the the school for giving him bad grades?
$ from boosters trump anger, I would think.
Yeah. I could be bought for the right price.
I got $7.
Ok, send it to me and I will declare for the next NBA draft to save Purdue a retroactive APR hit.

Easy-Peasy.
That $7 would be a nice down payment to the IU athletic fund. You'll still be responsible for another $43 however.
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