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Green Jobs & Stimulus; Future or Failure?
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http://www.consortiumnews.com/2011/022411.html
same story. Until we reform taxes so that nobody gets back more than they pay in, and everyone except the bottom 10% pays something, I do not accept the idea of raising taxes on the rich. I just can't stomach the idea of millions of people paying nothing, and having the voting power to take money from others.....juste doesn't sit well with me.
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Solar still isn't economically viable without MASSIVE subsidies.

Nuclear and wind should have gotten most of that money, with some going to solar R&D at universities.
Agree. It seemed (on this board at least) we universally agreed that the nuclear program should expand (how much is where we differed I think).

Maybe the government should just start their own oil company. Then they'd rake in billions and solve the deficit problem real quick! :P
Barry missed a great opportunity to start switching government vehicles over to natural gas. They have the demand and centralized locations to start building some refueling stations. He was too busy funding companies like this one.
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Solar still isn't economically viable without MASSIVE subsidies.

Nuclear and wind should have gotten most of that money, with some going to solar R&D at universities.
Agree. It seemed (on this board at least) we universally agreed that the nuclear program should expand (how much is where we differed I think).

Maybe the government should just start their own oil company. Then they'd rake in billions and solve the deficit problem real quick! :P
that money shouldn't have went anywhere....if it is a good idea, free market capital will find it on it's own. I'm pretty sure that Henry Ford didn't need subsidies did he?
The free market isn't magic, and it doesn't account for externalities like greater air pollution or contributions to global warming from burning coal.

These are real costs that are paid by everyone - down the road.
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Solar still isn't economically viable without MASSIVE subsidies.

Nuclear and wind should have gotten most of that money, with some going to solar R&D at universities.
Agree. It seemed (on this board at least) we universally agreed that the nuclear program should expand (how much is where we differed I think).

Maybe the government should just start their own oil company. Then they'd rake in billions and solve the deficit problem real quick! :P
that money shouldn't have went anywhere....if it is a good idea, free market capital will find it on it's own. I'm pretty sure that Henry Ford didn't need subsidies did he?
The free market isn't magic, and it doesn't account for externalities like greater air pollution or contributions to global warming from burning coal.

These are real costs that are paid by everyone - down the road.
well, it actually does....the free market is made up of the citizens chops, and if they are "OK" with the air pollution...etc, to a point that they are still choosing to keep that company in business by purchasing their products and services, then the benefit must outweigh the negatives. Walmart is an example of this on another front....clearly the biggest contributor to the destruction of our "downtown" "mom & pop" type businesses, which many people love, however the general population doesn't love them quite as much as they love the cheap prices and easy parking at Wal-mart. This behavior didn't need to be legislated, and you will not be able to legislate it back to downtown....the market is generally the will of the people.
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The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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http://www.consortiumnews.com/2011/022411.html
same story. Until we reform taxes so that nobody gets back more than they pay in, and everyone except the bottom 10% pays something, I do not accept the idea of raising taxes on the rich. I just can't stomach the idea of millions of people paying nothing, and having the voting power to take money from others.....juste doesn't sit well with me.
If the top 50% of workers earn 97% of the money, and they pay 100% of the taxes, exactly how bad is the problem? $1,175,421,788,000 was 2010 total revenues brought in from the individual income tax. Roughly speaking there were about 139,000,000 tax forms filed last year. The total adjusted gross income of all taxpayers was roughly $8,427,625,000,000.

The other 3% of money earned by those 50% of people equals an adjusted gross income of ~$252,825,750,000.00 (total adjusted AGI - 97% of total adjusted AGI)

If there are 70,000,000 of these people they each earned on average an AGI of $3,611. If there were only 69,000,000 their average AGI jumps to a whopping 3,664.14

How much tax do you think they should pay Aaron?

Assume it is the higher number. With that AGI and 69,000,000 more taxpayers we could have raised another $25 billion using the 2010 tax tables($366 * 69,000,000 people). With that we could have bought that? 71 f-22 raptors if the guy below is right? WooHoo.

http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,187737,00.html

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eel --

Read what I just posted. The top 400 earners in the country have a net worth greater than the 150,000,000 people in the bottom households in this country. So the top 400 have a net worth greater than half of the rest of the country.
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Aug 31 2011, 09:00 PM
Solar still isn't economically viable without MASSIVE subsidies.

Nuclear and wind should have gotten most of that money, with some going to solar R&D at universities.
Agree. It seemed (on this board at least) we universally agreed that the nuclear program should expand (how much is where we differed I think).

Maybe the government should just start their own oil company. Then they'd rake in billions and solve the deficit problem real quick! :P
that money shouldn't have went anywhere....if it is a good idea, free market capital will find it on it's own. I'm pretty sure that Henry Ford didn't need subsidies did he?
The free market isn't magic, and it doesn't account for externalities like greater air pollution or contributions to global warming from burning coal.

These are real costs that are paid by everyone - down the road.
well, it actually does....the free market is made up of the citizens chops, and if they are "OK" with the air pollution...etc, to a point that they are still choosing to keep that company in business by purchasing their products and services, then the benefit must outweigh the negatives. Walmart is an example of this on another front....clearly the biggest contributor to the destruction of our "downtown" "mom & pop" type businesses, which many people love, however the general population doesn't love them quite as much as they love the cheap prices and easy parking at Wal-mart. This behavior didn't need to be legislated, and you will not be able to legislate it back to downtown....the market is generally the will of the people.
No, the immediate benefit must outweigh the immediate cost. People tend not to think about how what they do now affects their children or future generations.

For reference, see the country's national debt.
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eel --

Read what I just posted. The top 400 earners in the country have a net worth greater than the 150,000,000 people in the bottom households in this country. So the top 400 have a net worth greater than half of the rest of the country.
Who are these 400 people?

Mittens says Corporations are people so how many of the 400 are corporations?
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eel --

Read what I just posted. The top 400 earners in the country have a net worth greater than the 150,000,000 people in the bottom households in this country. So the top 400 have a net worth greater than half of the rest of the country.
Who are these 400 people?

Mittens says Corporations are people so how many of the 400 are corporations?
Read the link. They are talking person's net worth. You are confusing salary with net worth.
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Where is the link Brum?
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Will post it when I get home. It was checked by politifact.
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http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/obama-admin-reworked-solyndra-1182334.html

Obama admin reworked Solyndra loan to favor donor

I am personally outraged at this, but even the skeptic in my is a little disappointed that the same people (sirbrian, MSNBC....etc) who were up in arms about Cheney and Haliburton really aren't commenting much on this story.
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1) Green is always good.
2) Since liberals are nice people and mean well, you should always overlook their mistakes.
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Obama's involved in so many scandals, I think his chances for re-election are < 30%.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/14/white-house-on-solyndra-layoffs-no-es-bueno/?intcmp=trending
Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, told Fox News that administration officials seemed "more concerned" that news about the Solyndra layoffs would come out before the midterms than they were about "whether or not their plan to finance companies like this, even if they weren't viable, was a good one or not."

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A nice percentage of his constituency has no idea what goes on in this nation on a day to day basis (politically speaking)......what makes you think that this will make a difference?
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