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Mr Gray Nov 24 2011, 10:59 AM Post #46
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Now this is a pay-per-view worthy battle.....occupiers vs. black friday shoppers!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45402815
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IUCOLTFAN Nov 24 2011, 12:41 PM Post #47
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I will have a little more sympathy for the occupiers when I see them camped outside of Jon Corzine's house.....
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Interesting that Gray is willing to acknowledge that the Koch brothers have had some input regarding the Tea Party, but Brian, Chops, and Brum are still living in a state of denial regarding the roots of the Occupy movement. The latter is just decent, law-abiding Americans (errrr..... scratch the law-abiding part) who want to promote their socialist world view.
Blah blah blah socialist blah blah lather, rinse, repeat.
Didn't expect you or Brian or Chops to speak to the substance of the post...
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brumdog44 Nov 24 2011, 01:37 PM Post #49
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Interesting that Gray is willing to acknowledge that the Koch brothers have had some input regarding the Tea Party, but Brian, Chops, and Brum are still living in a state of denial regarding the roots of the Occupy movement. The latter is just decent, law-abiding Americans (errrr..... scratch the law-abiding part) who want to promote their socialist world view.
Blah blah blah socialist blah blah lather, rinse, repeat.
brum, are you saying the the occupiers aren't promoting socialism, or that your just tired of hearing lars talk about socialism?
I think some of the occupiers are preaching socialism and that Lars = McCarthy.
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brumdog44 Nov 24 2011, 01:40 PM Post #50
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Interesting that Gray is willing to acknowledge that the Koch brothers have had some input regarding the Tea Party, but Brian, Chops, and Brum are still living in a state of denial regarding the roots of the Occupy movement. The latter is just decent, law-abiding Americans (errrr..... scratch the law-abiding part) who want to promote their socialist world view.
Blah blah blah socialist blah blah lather, rinse, repeat.
Didn't expect you or Brian or Chops to speak to the substance of the post...
If you want answers, then stop the rheoteric. You throw out the world socialism like candy at a parade. If you want ot be taken seriously, be serious.
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HoosierLars Nov 24 2011, 04:37 PM Post #51
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Interesting that Gray is willing to acknowledge that the Koch brothers have had some input regarding the Tea Party, but Brian, Chops, and Brum are still living in a state of denial regarding the roots of the Occupy movement. The latter is just decent, law-abiding Americans (errrr..... scratch the law-abiding part) who want to promote their socialist world view.
Blah blah blah socialist blah blah lather, rinse, repeat.
Didn't expect you or Brian or Chops to speak to the substance of the post...
If you want answers, then stop the rheoteric. You throw out the world socialism like candy at a parade. If you want ot be taken seriously, be serious.
Watching Europe must be making your rethink some of your core positions on government and entitlements.
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Bobobinc Nov 25 2011, 11:18 PM Post #52
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Interesting that Gray is willing to acknowledge that the Koch brothers have had some input regarding the Tea Party, but Brian, Chops, and Brum are still living in a state of denial regarding the roots of the Occupy movement. The latter is just decent, law-abiding Americans (errrr..... scratch the law-abiding part) who want to promote their socialist world view.
Blah blah blah socialist blah blah lather, rinse, repeat.
Didn't expect you or Brian or Chops to speak to the substance of the post...
If you want answers, then stop the rheoteric. You throw out the world socialism like candy at a parade. If you want ot be taken seriously, be serious.
Yep. I'm remembering why I stopped coming to the politics board.

I don't want socialism and i don't think some of us who believe in the spirit of this movement want it either. We want representative government, a republic, like it was supposed to be. It's that in name only these days.
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Mr Gray Nov 26 2011, 09:25 AM Post #53
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Interesting that Gray is willing to acknowledge that the Koch brothers have had some input regarding the Tea Party, but Brian, Chops, and Brum are still living in a state of denial regarding the roots of the Occupy movement. The latter is just decent, law-abiding Americans (errrr..... scratch the law-abiding part) who want to promote their socialist world view.
Blah blah blah socialist blah blah lather, rinse, repeat.
Didn't expect you or Brian or Chops to speak to the substance of the post...
If you want answers, then stop the rheoteric. You throw out the world socialism like candy at a parade. If you want ot be taken seriously, be serious.
Yep. I'm remembering why I stopped coming to the politics board.

I don't want socialism and i don't think some of us who believe in the spirit of this movement want it either. We want representative government, a republic, like it was supposed to be. It's that in name only these days.
Bob, I share your desire for a better representative government, however I disagree that this is the "core" of the occupy movement....I have studied this movement relentlessly from the left, right, middle, and 1st hand, in order to try to understand it's goals....I have yet to hear ANYONE talk about the desire for a more representative government. A lot of talk about corporate greed, wall street greed, the perils of capitalism, and the horror of having to pay back student loans without a job...etc. They don't like government being in bed with wall street, but their solution overwhelmingly seems to be more government intervention, entitlements, and socialist type policies.

From the occupy website:

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OccupyWallSt.org is the unofficial de facto online resource for the growing occupation movement happening on Wall Street and around the world. We're an affinity group committed to doing technical support work for resistance movements. We're not a subcommittee of the NYCGA nor affiliated with Adbusters, anonymous or any other organization.

Occupy Wall Street is a people-powered movement that began on September 17, 2011 in Liberty Square in Manhattan’s Financial District, and has spread to over 100 cities in the United States and actions in over 1,500 cities globally. #ows is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations. The movement is inspired by popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia, and aims to fight back against the richest 1% of people that are writing the rules of an unfair global economy that is foreclosing on our future.

The occupations around the world are being organized using a non-binding consensus based collective decision making tool known as a "people's assembly". To learn more about how to use this process to organize your local community to fight back against social injustice, please read this quick guide on group dynamics in people's assemblies.
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bob...here you go from the other main occupy website. (you are being duped my friend...your goals are not the same as theirs)

On September 17th, men and women of all races, backgrounds, political and religious beliefs, began to organize in nonviolent protest. These men and women represent the 99% with the goal of ending the greed and corruption of the wealthiest 1% of America. Occupy Wall Street is a leaderless resistance movement which began as a call to action from Adbusters, a Canadian-based anti-consumerist organization.

As stated by Occupy Wall Street:

“The beauty of this new formula, and what makes this novel tactic exciting, is its pragmatic simplicity: we talk to each other in various physical gatherings and virtual people’s assemblies … we zero in on what our one demand will be, a demand that awakens the imagination and, if achieved, would propel us toward the radical democracy of the future … and then we go out and seize a square of singular symbolic significance and put our asses on the line to make it happen.”


No mention of a "republic" there Bob....take a look at the "this is what democracy looks like" themed protests in Egypt and around the world that inspired this movement and tell me again that at the core, they are looking for a "representative government".
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Sounds like Bobo is more of a closet teabagger......wonder if he realized that?
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What I, and others that I know, want out of this movement is less representation in our government by big business and more power put back in the hands of the citizens. That's what I'm talking about when I say representative government.

Believe me Gray, I understand the movement and it's problems. There are all sorts of fragments going on here. Some are about corporate greed etc. ........and that may come from the highest levels. But some of us are fine with corporations making lots of money as long as they play by the rules......and the rules aren't slanted in their favor.

Right now our elected officials are beholden to us to get elected. Once there, they then answer to the people who made it possible for them to get the votes, the corporations and their lobbyists.

You always seem to worry about socialist creep........ the slow, calculated transformation to a socialist society. I'm more worried about the movement toward a government that is more and more dependent on big business. Until one day they are the same thing.

Don't always be blinded from seeing an idea because there are liberal wackos involved in it. Every idea or movement that comes from the left is going to draw in the crazies......doesn't make it automatically bad. There are many in this movement that are pissed that it has become a fucking circus. Not saying those at the top feel that way, just some who got involved thinking this was a method to make a change for the good.

It's not turning out that way.
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What I, and others that I know, want out of this movement is less representation in our government by big business and more power put back in the hands of the citizens. That's what I'm talking about when I say representative government.

Believe me Gray, I understand the movement and it's problems. There are all sorts of fragments going on here. Some are about corporate greed etc. ........and that may come from the highest levels. But some of us are fine with corporations making lots of money as long as they play by the rules......and the rules aren't slanted in their favor.

Right now our elected officials are beholden to us to get elected. Once there, they then answer to the people who made it possible for them to get the votes, the corporations and their lobbyists.

You always seem to worry about socialist creep........ the slow, calculated transformation to a socialist society. I'm more worried about the movement toward a government that is more and more dependent on big business. Until one day they are the same thing.

Don't always be blinded from seeing an idea because there are liberal wackos involved in it. Every idea or movement that comes from the left is going to draw in the crazies......doesn't make it automatically bad. There are many in this movement that are pissed that it has become a fucking circus. Not saying those at the top feel that way, just some who got involved thinking this was a method to make a change for the good.

It's not turning out that way.
that's a good point....I try not to focus on the extreme whacko's in the movement...the anarchists, and firebombers, but I am concerned with the entitlement crazed admitted socialists and communists who have had a huge hand in starting, organizing, and growing this movement....they don't represent people like you, but they do represent a large portion of this movement from what I can see thus far in my research.

I do agree with you completely about businesses all being on a level playing field, and ending the corrupt corporate influence on our government. I was and am still against TARP and other bailouts. I am against taxpayer subsidized industries as well, which is right in line with what you were saying, however I'm not sure if you are 100% consistent in this area.
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I think that any group whose main focus is demonizing the wealthiest 1% is anti-American, and arguably Marxist. The latter system promises happiness and prosperity for all, but history has shown the opposite to be true. Eventually, the party leaders become the 1%, and things don't end well.

I've been supportive of the Tea Party, a political force that is against bigger government, and wasteful spending, which includes corporate welfare. Congressmen like Jim Demint have been trying to disrupt the Republican establishment that tends to be owned by big business. Like I've posted in the past, limiting government control also limits the effect big business can have on it.

The Paulites and Occupy forces seem to have one thing in common: blowing up our financial system. The former thinks it will lead to an orderly society run by Austrian economics, and the latter believes it will lead to a fair socialist state where the 99% can finally have plenty after taking from the evil 1%. I think it will lead to chaos, and most likely a worse America for all.
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Got it.....you are in favor of the 1% who demonize the 99%.
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have there been any firebombings in this movement?

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