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Cain is surging!
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brumdog44 Oct 15 2011, 08:59 AM Post #16
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IMO, it's really showing the weakness of the republican field to show how fluid it is when all you have to do is throw a catch phrase out for a plan that has zero chance of ever being enacted (much less actually working).

Anyway, Rasmussen and Gallup are the only polls worth following.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/election_2012_republican_presidential_primary

http://www.gallup.com/poll/149990/Cain-Surges-Nearly-Ties-Romney-Lead-GOP-Preferences.aspx

Zogby saying Cain has a twenty point lead is beyond laughable.
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HoosierLars Oct 15 2011, 10:32 AM Post #17
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Hope and change you can believe in, my friend.
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Hope and change you can believe in, my friend.
Ok, but that doesn't make Brum's comment any less valid.
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Nothing against Herman Cain, but has anyone here had Godfather's pizza? It's pretty gross, actually. Good things pizza quality doesn't get you elected.
Death to Signatures.
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brumdog44 Oct 15 2011, 01:54 PM Post #20
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Hope and change you can believe in, my friend.
Rasmussen and Gallup were right on the numbers on democratic and republican primaries in 2008 and the national election. Not sure what you are trying to accomplish with your meaningless rheoteric.

There is a recurring theme in case you haven't followed:

First it was Bachmann and Romney. Very quickly Bachmann went away.
Then it was Perry and Romney. Very quickly Perry went away.
Now it's Cain and Romney.

Romney has been vetted. We've yet to see another flavor of the day to consistently stay there when vetted. It's easy to catch fire....a lot harder to stay burning when it turns out that fire was just smoke.

And what are we finding out in the national polls? 'Generic republican' right now wins the national election....but when a name is put in place, at best for the republicans we have a dead heat. There is no one setting the republican base on fire, and once the smoke clears we know that the republican party tends to put forth the guy 'who has put in the time'...i.e., your Bob Doles and John McCains. The history of the democratic party hasn't been that -- they have a greater tendency for newer names to emerge, for good or bad.
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HoosierLars Oct 15 2011, 06:15 PM Post #21
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Hope and change you can believe in, my friend.
Rasmussen and Gallup were right on the numbers on democratic and republican primaries in 2008 and the national election. Not sure what you are trying to accomplish with your meaningless rheoteric.

There is a recurring theme in case you haven't followed:

First it was Bachmann and Romney. Very quickly Bachmann went away.
Then it was Perry and Romney. Very quickly Perry went away.
Now it's Cain and Romney.

Romney has been vetted. We've yet to see another flavor of the day to consistently stay there when vetted. It's easy to catch fire....a lot harder to stay burning when it turns out that fire was just smoke.

And what are we finding out in the national polls? 'Generic republican' right now wins the national election....but when a name is put in place, at best for the republicans we have a dead heat. There is no one setting the republican base on fire, and once the smoke clears we know that the republican party tends to put forth the guy 'who has put in the time'...i.e., your Bob Doles and John McCains. The history of the democratic party hasn't been that -- they have a greater tendency for newer names to emerge, for good or bad.
The problem with your analysis is it's incorrect.

1) Bachmann was never a serious contender, much to bg01's dismay. She managed to win the Iowa straw poll, but that was about it. She makes a few gaffs, her voice gets irritating after a short time, and the media doesn't like her.
2) Perry has a poor record on immigration, and his executive order requiring girls to get vaccinated pissed off many, including me. Plus he sucks at debating, and many of us don't want another Texas governor for a few decades.
3) Cain has a very impressive academic and business career. Plus he is a good debater and has about 100x more charisma than Ron Paul.

Instead of criticizing him, try to but your blind love for Barry aside for a few moments, and give the Hermanator a chance.
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hoosierinhogville Oct 15 2011, 07:08 PM Post #22
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1) Bachmann was never a serious contender, much to bg01's dismay. She managed to win the Iowa straw poll, but that was about it. She makes a few gaffs, her voice gets irritating after a short time, and the media doesn't like her.
2) Perry has a poor record on immigration, and his executive order requiring girls to get vaccinated pissed off many, including me. Plus he sucks at debating, and many of us don't want another Texas governor for a few decades.
3) Cain has a very impressive academic and business career. Plus he is a good debater and has about 100x more charisma than Ron Paul.

1.) She was #2 in the polls for about a month
2.) He was #2 in the polls for about a month
3.) I will give you that he has more charisma, but good debater? Negative. I have watched every Republican debate so far and I have not been impressed at all with his debate skills. The man seems to get genuinely angry anytime anyone questions him harshly on anything. That is not the mark of a skilled debater.

The guy has a tax plan that has ZERO chance of ever getting passed and NOTHING else. You know why the only he talks about is 9-9-9? Because he clueless about anything else. As he is thrust into the spotlight that will become more and more clear. I would imagine he will be back in the middle of the pack by this time next month.
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1) Bachmann was never a serious contender, much to bg01's dismay. She managed to win the Iowa straw poll, but that was about it. She makes a few gaffs, her voice gets irritating after a short time, and the media doesn't like her.
2) Perry has a poor record on immigration, and his executive order requiring girls to get vaccinated pissed off many, including me. Plus he sucks at debating, and many of us don't want another Texas governor for a few decades.
3) Cain has a very impressive academic and business career. Plus he is a good debater and has about 100x more charisma than Ron Paul.

1.) She was #2 in the polls for about a month
2.) He was #2 in the polls for about a month
3.) I will give you that he has more charisma, but good debater? Negative. I have watched every Republican debate so far and I have not been impressed at all with his debate skills. The man seems to get genuinely angry anytime anyone questions him harshly on anything. That is not the mark of a skilled debater.

The guy has a tax plan that has ZERO chance of ever getting passed and NOTHING else. You know why the only he talks about is 9-9-9? Because he clueless about anything else. As he is thrust into the spotlight that will become more and more clear. I would imagine he will be back in the middle of the pack by this time next month.
Everything spot on, although lars will ignore it since it has no messiah or Barry references.
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HoosierLars Oct 17 2011, 09:33 AM Post #24
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1) Bachmann was never a serious contender, much to bg01's dismay. She managed to win the Iowa straw poll, but that was about it. She makes a few gaffs, her voice gets irritating after a short time, and the media doesn't like her.
2) Perry has a poor record on immigration, and his executive order requiring girls to get vaccinated pissed off many, including me. Plus he sucks at debating, and many of us don't want another Texas governor for a few decades.
3) Cain has a very impressive academic and business career. Plus he is a good debater and has about 100x more charisma than Ron Paul.

1.) She was #2 in the polls for about a month
2.) He was #2 in the polls for about a month
3.) I will give you that he has more charisma, but good debater? Negative. I have watched every Republican debate so far and I have not been impressed at all with his debate skills. The man seems to get genuinely angry anytime anyone questions him harshly on anything. That is not the mark of a skilled debater.

The guy has a tax plan that has ZERO chance of ever getting passed and NOTHING else. You know why the only he talks about is 9-9-9? Because he clueless about anything else. As he is thrust into the spotlight that will become more and more clear. I would imagine he will be back in the middle of the pack by this time next month.
1) Michelle was high in the polls for awhile. I liked her for standing up to Democrats in Congress, and she has accomplished a lot in her life. She rose quickly after declaring, but after possible supporters like me got a chance to picture her as President, she fell out of the race.
2) Rick tried to pull a Bush, and generated a buzz when he decided to run. He instantly jumped into the lead, and stayed there until he debated poorly, and people learned more about his past.
3) The Hermanator has been in the race a long time, and has risen to the top because he is a straight talker (for a politician), has a record of accomplishment in business and one of the finest institutions of higher learning in the world. And he avoids talking incessantly about the Federal Reserve and "real money."

At this point, my preferred ticket would be Mitt/Hermanator. You have to ask yourself if this ticket would be better than four more years of Barry/Joe. If not, you can sit at home and read books about the Federal Reserve.
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brumdog44 Oct 17 2011, 11:11 PM Post #25
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Sure, Lars.

Hell, even Grover Nordquist is calling Cain out on his whole $9.99 plan.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/grover-norquist-9-9-9-very-dangerous-tapeworms-in-your-tummy-to-maintain-your-weight/
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HoosierLars Oct 18 2011, 09:19 AM Post #27
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Sure, Lars.

Hell, even Grover Nordquist is calling Cain out on his whole $9.99 plan.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/grover-norquist-9-9-9-very-dangerous-tapeworms-in-your-tummy-to-maintain-your-weight/
What are you so afraid of Brum? You were willing to support Ron Paul, a guy who wants to make significant government cuts, yet you insist on insulting Cain, instead of trying to discuss his policies. I certainly don't think all of the details of the 999 plan have been fully vetted and considered, but the basic concept seems sound to me. It will be bad for the CPA business, but so be it.

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Norquist said he doesn’t think the 9-9-9 plan violates his group’s pledge, which Cain has signed. But he said that’s not possible to know for sure since “it’s not clearly written down, it hasn’t been scored by CBO,” a reference to the Congressional Budget Office.

“Cain has taken the pledge, he understands what that’s about. The question is about the structure of the tax rather than the total burden,” he said.

“It doesn’t create new possibilities for growth,” Norquist added. “Look, I applaud Herman Cain’s statement that the present system is too high, it’s too re-distributionist, it moves money from one side to another, let’s take rates radically down, let’s end this double- and triple-taxation of savings. But the way he does it creates these new taxes like a VAT [value-added tax] and a retail sales tax that have a dangerous history of growing.”
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http://www.break.com/index/herman-cain-sings-imagine-all-the-pizza-2189836
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http://www.break.com/index/herman-cain-sings-imagine-all-the-pizza-2189836
Well he's got my vote.
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gotta love the prolonged intro where he has the choir dress him.

genius.

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