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| HoosierLars | Oct 21 2011, 10:47 AM Post #46 |
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Santorum is a sneaky little ass-clown. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/20/attacked-by-rivals-herman-cain-clarifies-abortion-stance/?test=latestnews Herman Cain sought to clarify his position on abortion Thursday after one rival seized on comments he made saying that while he opposes abortion, the government shouldn’t decide whether women can terminate their pregnancies. In an interview Wednesday with CNN, Cain said he believes life begins at conception. "And abortion under no circumstances," he added. But Cain also said "it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision," according to a CNN transcript. Asked whether his personal views would become a "directive to the nation," should he become president, Cain said they wouldn't. "I can have an opinion on an issue without it being a directive on the nation," he said. "The government shouldn't be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to social decisions that they need to make." Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum pounced on Cain Thursday, saying it mirrors the views of abortion-rights supporters and shows that Cain is not a true conservative. |
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| BTown11 | Oct 21 2011, 10:57 AM Post #47 |
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| yawnzzz | Oct 21 2011, 10:21 PM Post #48 |
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Rick Santorum likes to pick apart other candidates more than explaining his own point of view. |
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| sirbrianwilson | Oct 22 2011, 12:43 AM Post #49 |
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| yawnzzz | Oct 22 2011, 03:04 AM Post #50 |
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It's pretty humorous that people are debating Cain's tax code. Cain is just trying to show that he'll actually get the ball rolling towards simplifying the tax code, which is why he doesn't want to clarify any exceptions because the details are not going to be simple. All an executive does, whether of a corporation or of this country, is to set an agenda. He's saying his #1 is to simplify the code. The 'experts' on the matter will have proposed and revised a plan numerous times before it ever makes it through both houses. The fact that the Tax Policy Center weighed in when they acknowledge they're making broad assumptions is even more humorous. The only thing it possibly shows is that they're scared that their decades of understanding the encyclopedia of tax law could go out the window. |
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| brumdog44 | Oct 22 2011, 08:58 AM Post #51 |
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No, that's not Cain's main objective. His main objective was to get noticed. Seriously, do you think the 84% whose taxes go up at the end of the day are going to be saying 'I'm glad it was simple'. It's a gimmick, nothing more, nothing |
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| hoosierinhogville | Oct 22 2011, 10:33 AM Post #52 |
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The Tax Policy center weighs in because that is what they do. Every candidate who puts out a plan will have it analyzed by the Tax Policy Center. And I agree with Brum. It is a gimmick. Something that gets him noticed and is easy to remember. It is a slogan and nothing more. |
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| yawnzzz | Oct 22 2011, 11:19 AM Post #53 |
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It's clearly a gimmick. No details of a revamped tax policy will ever be decided by a President. As for the Tax Policy Center, they released one set of numbers based on one set of assumptions, and then just add footnotes saying they made a lot of assumptions. That's not unbiased analysis. If a fresh out of college financial analyst made those assumptions, I'd call it a rookie mistake and ask them to redo their presentation so that their own personal view of assumptions is not the only scenario displayed. The Tax Policy Center is full of seasoned professionals that live in the political world, so I have a hard time believing that releasing one set of numbers showing the worst case to low-income was not a well thought-out response. |
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| HoosierLars | Oct 22 2011, 12:24 PM Post #54 |
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It's simple to exclude some portion of personal income from the Fed tax, e.g. 20k. I expected liberals to be negative about any plan that might reduce welfare payments, but I'm a little surprised that Paulites are dissing the Hermanator's tax plan. |
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| brumdog44 | Oct 22 2011, 09:39 PM Post #55 |
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So you're surprised that pretty much every economist thinks the plan is a sham? And in case you haven't been listening, no one on this board has felt that anyone should get a refund from the federal government more than whatever tax total they pay. You can keep saying what 'liberals' say....yet you haven't found anyone that fits that category on this board yet, so you might as well either post to who is on this board or post those kind of thoughts to a board where people do think that. |
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| HoosierLars | Oct 22 2011, 10:00 PM Post #56 |
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Ever hear of Laffer? http://www.newsmax.com/StreetTalk/Laffer-Cain-tax-plan/2011/10/19/id/414998 |
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| sirbrianwilson | Oct 22 2011, 10:25 PM Post #57 |
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Laffer definitely doesn't have a horse in this race...1 voice to 100 others... br |
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| HoosierLars | Oct 22 2011, 11:38 PM Post #58 |
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Ok, here's another economist disputing that Cain's plan will represent more of a burden for most people. And like I wrote before, if people on the low end are being unfairly taxed, we can exclude the first 20k of income from the Fed income tax. http://politic365.com/2011/10/17/economist-cage-match-alton-drew-is-wrong-on-cains-9-9-9/ Now show me the 200 economists who don't like the plan. |
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| brumdog44 | Oct 23 2011, 07:55 AM Post #59 |
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BTW, Cain's 9-9-9 plan isn't even that.....if you are well off. HE CAPPED THE SOCIAL SECURITY PORTION ON IT, so for those making over 125,000 they are only paying income taxes of about 2 percent on money earned above 125,000. This plan is just throwing darts at a dart board. |
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| brumdog44 | Oct 23 2011, 07:59 AM Post #60 |
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So that drops the average tax break for the top 1% by $237000 instead of $239000. The pizza price has lost it's luster now that it is getting exposed. |
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