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Cain is surging!
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IUCOLTFAN Nov 13 2011, 02:05 PM Post #121
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An Obama/Gingrich debate would be a turning point in some voters minds, imo. Like him or not, very few politicians could hang with Newt one on one, imo.
Like him or not, though, Obama comes off very in debates as well. Speaks well and looks the part.....Gingrich only meets one of the two criteria. Like it or not, looks play a huge part. The only looks contest Newt will win is a Pillsbury-look-alike one.
So Obama could beat Newt in a debate because of his looks? Is that what you are saying?
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An Obama/Gingrich debate would be a turning point in some voters minds, imo. Like him or not, very few politicians could hang with Newt one on one, imo.
Like him or not, though, Obama comes off very in debates as well. Speaks well and looks the part.....Gingrich only meets one of the two criteria. Like it or not, looks play a huge part. The only looks contest Newt will win is a Pillsbury-look-alike one.
So Obama could beat Newt in a debate because of his looks? Is that what you are saying?
See: Kennedy vs. Nixon

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An Obama/Gingrich debate would be a turning point in some voters minds, imo. Like him or not, very few politicians could hang with Newt one on one, imo.
Like him or not, though, Obama comes off very in debates as well. Speaks well and looks the part.....Gingrich only meets one of the two criteria. Like it or not, looks play a huge part. The only looks contest Newt will win is a Pillsbury-look-alike one.
So Obama could beat Newt in a debate because of his looks? Is that what you are saying?
You're new to this game, aren't you? This ain't a college debate with scorekeepers. This is a class election looking for the popular kid.
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Newt will do fine in debates if he wins the nomination.

The day to day 60 day general election grind with 3 events a day in 2 different states will be a challenge for Newt. Newt could also have a huge challenge because he will have to opt out to compete with Obama and Newt is not as good at fundraising as Obama
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An Obama/Gingrich debate would be a turning point in some voters minds, imo. Like him or not, very few politicians could hang with Newt one on one, imo.
Like him or not, though, Obama comes off very in debates as well. Speaks well and looks the part.....Gingrich only meets one of the two criteria. Like it or not, looks play a huge part. The only looks contest Newt will win is a Pillsbury-look-alike one.
So Obama could beat Newt in a debate because of his looks? Is that what you are saying?
You're new to this game, aren't you? This ain't a college debate with scorekeepers. This is a class election looking for the popular kid.
people who actually take the time to watch debates aren't likely that concerned with looks.
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An Obama/Gingrich debate would be a turning point in some voters minds, imo. Like him or not, very few politicians could hang with Newt one on one, imo.
Like him or not, though, Obama comes off very in debates as well. Speaks well and looks the part.....Gingrich only meets one of the two criteria. Like it or not, looks play a huge part. The only looks contest Newt will win is a Pillsbury-look-alike one.
So Obama could beat Newt in a debate because of his looks? Is that what you are saying?
You're new to this game, aren't you? This ain't a college debate with scorekeepers. This is a class election looking for the popular kid.
people who actually take the time to watch debates aren't likely that concerned with looks.
It's a totally different crowd for the presidential debate than primary debates. The three debates between McCain and Obama all rated between 34 and 42 percent of households viewing -- which means you can pretty much guarantee that well over half the households saw at least one of the debates. I believe the average numbers were like 38 million homes per debate.

The November 10th republican primary debate, saw CNBC really pleases with the viewing numbers as it topped 3 million. Back in 2007 at around the same time, the debate had only just over 1 million viewers.
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An Obama/Gingrich debate would be a turning point in some voters minds, imo. Like him or not, very few politicians could hang with Newt one on one, imo.
Like him or not, though, Obama comes off very in debates as well. Speaks well and looks the part.....Gingrich only meets one of the two criteria. Like it or not, looks play a huge part. The only looks contest Newt will win is a Pillsbury-look-alike one.
So Obama could beat Newt in a debate because of his looks? Is that what you are saying?
You're new to this game, aren't you? This ain't a college debate with scorekeepers. This is a class election looking for the popular kid.
people who actually take the time to watch debates aren't likely that concerned with looks.
It's a totally different crowd for the presidential debate than primary debates. The three debates between McCain and Obama all rated between 34 and 42 percent of households viewing -- which means you can pretty much guarantee that well over half the households saw at least one of the debates. I believe the average numbers were like 38 million homes per debate.

The November 10th republican primary debate, saw CNBC really pleases with the viewing numbers as it topped 3 million. Back in 2007 at around the same time, the debate had only just over 1 million viewers.
Not to mention that the mainstream media thrives on looks and one-liners. So those that didn't watch the debate in its entirety (the majority of the country) will get overrun with pundits speaking on image and one-liners...

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An Obama/Gingrich debate would be a turning point in some voters minds, imo. Like him or not, very few politicians could hang with Newt one on one, imo.
Like him or not, though, Obama comes off very in debates as well. Speaks well and looks the part.....Gingrich only meets one of the two criteria. Like it or not, looks play a huge part. The only looks contest Newt will win is a Pillsbury-look-alike one.
So Obama could beat Newt in a debate because of his looks? Is that what you are saying?
You're new to this game, aren't you? This ain't a college debate with scorekeepers. This is a class election looking for the popular kid.
people who actually take the time to watch debates aren't likely that concerned with looks.
It's a totally different crowd for the presidential debate than primary debates. The three debates between McCain and Obama all rated between 34 and 42 percent of households viewing -- which means you can pretty much guarantee that well over half the households saw at least one of the debates. I believe the average numbers were like 38 million homes per debate.

The November 10th republican primary debate, saw CNBC really pleases with the viewing numbers as it topped 3 million. Back in 2007 at around the same time, the debate had only just over 1 million viewers.
Not to mention that the mainstream media thrives on looks and one-liners. So those that didn't watch the debate in its entirety (the majority of the country) will get overrun with pundits speaking on image and one-liners...

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I tend to choose my candidate by substance, not his/her looks or what the media tells me to think. You can choose yours however you want...that's the beauty of this country. It's really unfortunate that grown ups would choose/promote candidates in that manner and even worse that people would take time to defend or validate their candidate by using anything other than the substance of their message/vision.
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Sarah Palin would outpoll Ron Paul if she were running in the republican primary. Why do you think that is?

And almost no one would ever say they are voting for a candidate based on their image....but that doesn't mean it's not a factor.
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Sarah Palin would outpoll Ron Paul if she were running in the republican primary. Why do you think that is?

And almost no one would ever say they are voting for a candidate based on their image....but that doesn't mean it's not a factor.
Obviously, you've brought it up in 3 or 4 different threads. Seems to be a factor for you...
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Here's another monumental Herman Cain gaffe.

Herman Cain Stumbles On Libya Questions (VIDEO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/14/herman-cain-libya-question_n_1093425.html
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Sarah Palin would outpoll Ron Paul if she were running in the republican primary. Why do you think that is?

And almost no one would ever say they are voting for a candidate based on their image....but that doesn't mean it's not a factor.
Obviously, you've brought it up in 3 or 4 different threads. Seems to be a factor for you...
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If you don't think that appearance plays a part in elections, then you'd deluding yourself. I guess you don't know much about the voting public.
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Here's another monumental Herman Cain gaffe.

Herman Cain Stumbles On Libya Questions (VIDEO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/14/herman-cain-libya-question_n_1093425.html
I'm not a Cain defender, but I did feel sorry for him on this instance....it's very easy to be distracted or lose your train of thought.....it happens to everyone, but most of us don't have a camera & mic on them all the time.
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I simply don't understand why we have so many candidates hanging around. Putting seven candidates on a stage muddles up the ability of any one to energize the voting base.
This is part of the answer to that question

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Basically, there is no frontrunner anymore. There are several people that are bunched near the top. I do think that some of these people like Santorum and Bachmann need to come to grips with the reality that they just aren't gonna win and drop out, or they don't need to be invited.

We are close enough now to the actual primaries that I think it would be fair to eliminate Bachmann,Santorum, and Huntsman from the stage in order to let the others get more time to actual debate.
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And on the topic of Cain. Whoever it is that decided he should do a one on one debate with Newt should be fired. I believe that has hurt him in the polls almost as much as the sexual harassment allegations.
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