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brumdog44 Dec 1 2011, 04:46 PM Post #181
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good god...if they had just an average defense, Tebow's head would be on a stick. They wouldn't have won a single game and his inability to quarterback a team would be the only thing talked about.

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Denver was LOSING with that same defense a few weeks ago with Orton. Sorry to be repetitive, but you don't seem to be grasping the simple facts here.
Indiana lost all their road games last year. This year Remy Abell is playing and they are winning.

BTW, if Denver loses four of their last five does that mean that all of a sudden Tebow's lack of leadership sunk the team morale?
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Denver's defense held their opponents to less than 20 points exactly 1 time this season before Tebow became the starter. Since then, they've done it 4/6 times, all of which were wins. Yeah, it must all be tebow...

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obatskii Dec 1 2011, 07:43 PM Post #183
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Who's saying it's all Tebow? It's ridiculous not to give him any credit though. Hell, I don't think impossible to think the defense is playing better because of the change. Maybe they have more confidence in him and are playing harder because of it.

The defense deserves a ton of credit, but to completely discount Tebow as a reason they are winning is silly as well.
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Who's saying it's all Tebow? It's ridiculous not to give him any credit though. Hell, I don't think impossible to think the defense is playing better because of the change. Maybe they have more confidence in him and are playing harder because of it.

The defense deserves a ton of credit, but to completely discount Tebow as a reason they are winning is silly as well.
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Boat gets it.
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there's no reason to believe that with the defense firing on all cylinders as they have been with tebow, orton would have won just as many games.

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Who's saying it's all Tebow? It's ridiculous not to give him any credit though. Hell, I don't think impossible to think the defense is playing better because of the change. Maybe they have more confidence in him and are playing harder because of it.

The defense deserves a ton of credit, but to completely discount Tebow as a reason they are winning is silly as well.
Tebow definitely helps the defense.

Improvement in the running game (more rest, shorter game), less turnovers (no short fields).
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brumdog44 Dec 2 2011, 07:24 AM Post #187
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Who's saying it's all Tebow? It's ridiculous not to give him any credit though. Hell, I don't think impossible to think the defense is playing better because of the change. Maybe they have more confidence in him and are playing harder because of it.

The defense deserves a ton of credit, but to completely discount Tebow as a reason they are winning is silly as well.
Tebow definitely helps the defense.

Improvement in the running game (more rest, shorter game), less turnovers (no short fields).
Not moving the ball on offense doesn't produce short fields.
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Who's saying it's all Tebow? It's ridiculous not to give him any credit though. Hell, I don't think impossible to think the defense is playing better because of the change. Maybe they have more confidence in him and are playing harder because of it.

The defense deserves a ton of credit, but to completely discount Tebow as a reason they are winning is silly as well.
Tebow definitely helps the defense.

Improvement in the running game (more rest, shorter game), less turnovers (no short fields).
In five games under Orton, opponents started drives in Denver territory seven times.
In six games under Tebow, opponents started drives in Denver territory eight times.

Don't see any difference there in terms of short fields.
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Boat gets it.
That's what she said.
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It would be really hard for me to believe that Denvers defense start playing better due to having "more confidence" in Tebow. How does that make sense? What exactly would they be basing this newfound confidence on? His stellar play from the past? His pep talks?

I'm not buying that theory...
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good god...if they had just an average defense, Tebow's head would be on a stick. They wouldn't have won a single game and his inability to quarterback a team would be the only thing talked about.

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Denver was LOSING with that same defense a few weeks ago with Orton. Sorry to be repetitive, but you don't seem to be grasping the simple facts here.
Indiana lost all their road games last year. This year Remy Abell is playing and they are winning.
Sorry Brumster, but this post disqualifies you from making further posts in this thread...
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It's becoming more and more clear that Tebow is doing nothing more than any other BARELY league average QB would do on this team.

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Ok, let's play a game. If Tebow is responsible for the Broncos turnaround, I'd have to imagine there aren't many QBs in the league that could make such a drastic change in a team. So list the QBs that also would have this Broncos team at 5-1 or better had they taken over midseason.
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I agree that Tebow's longevity is a big issue. Also, like the wildcat, I think the defenses will probably figure out how to defend the option better. Now that Denver is no longer considered an easy win, it will be more difficult for them to win with a guy who is throwing challenged.
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Ok, let's play a game. If Tebow is responsible for the Broncos turnaround, I'd have to imagine there aren't many QBs in the league that could make such a drastic change in a team. So list the QBs that also would have this Broncos team at 5-1 or better had they taken over midseason.
Do they have to be active players? I think Joe Montana would be doing as well or better than Tebow.
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