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dreachon Dec 2 2011, 11:28 AM Post #196
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Ok, let's play a game. If Tebow is responsible for the Broncos turnaround, I'd have to imagine there aren't many QBs in the league that could make such a drastic change in a team. So list the QBs that also would have this Broncos team at 5-1 or better had they taken over midseason.
Do they have to be active players? I think Joe Montana would be doing as well or better than Tebow.
haha. i would have to agree with you there.
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Who's saying it's all Tebow? It's ridiculous not to give him any credit though. Hell, I don't think impossible to think the defense is playing better because of the change. Maybe they have more confidence in him and are playing harder because of it.

The defense deserves a ton of credit, but to completely discount Tebow as a reason they are winning is silly as well.
Tebow definitely helps the defense.

Improvement in the running game (more rest, shorter game), less turnovers (no short fields).
In five games under Orton, opponents started drives in Denver territory seven times.
In six games under Tebow, opponents started drives in Denver territory eight times.

Don't see any difference there in terms of short fields.
How about average starting position? Which of those starting positions were a result of special teams mishaps?

I think not turning the ball over certainly helps the defense
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Who's saying it's all Tebow? It's ridiculous not to give him any credit though. Hell, I don't think impossible to think the defense is playing better because of the change. Maybe they have more confidence in him and are playing harder because of it.

The defense deserves a ton of credit, but to completely discount Tebow as a reason they are winning is silly as well.
Tebow definitely helps the defense.

Improvement in the running game (more rest, shorter game), less turnovers (no short fields).
In five games under Orton, opponents started drives in Denver territory seven times.
In six games under Tebow, opponents started drives in Denver territory eight times.

Don't see any difference there in terms of short fields.
How about average starting position? Which of those starting positions were a result of special teams mishaps?

I think not turning the ball over certainly helps the defense
Just as not moving the ball forward hurts offenses..

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T-ball stand pitching a no-hitter at the Special Olympics > Tebow
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http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/id/7303988/ncf-tim-tebow-hype-drowns-buzz-more-talented-rookies
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Ok, let's play a game. If Tebow is responsible for the Broncos turnaround, I'd have to imagine there aren't many QBs in the league that could make such a drastic change in a team. So list the QBs that also would have this Broncos team at 5-1 or better had they taken over midseason.
In playing this game, are we going to assume that those teams get the same Denver defense over the last six games, or are we going to go with Lars silly notion that Tebow has pep talked his way into them playing better?
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It would be really hard for me to believe that Denvers defense start playing better due to having "more confidence" in Tebow. How does that make sense? What exactly would they be basing this newfound confidence on? His stellar play from the past? His pep talks?

I'm not buying that theory...
Colt gets it.
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Ok, let's play a game. If Tebow is responsible for the Broncos turnaround, I'd have to imagine there aren't many QBs in the league that could make such a drastic change in a team. So list the QBs that also would have this Broncos team at 5-1 or better had they taken over midseason.
In playing this game, are we going to assume that those teams get the same Denver defense over the last six games, or are we going to go with Lars silly notion that Tebow has pep talked his way into them playing better?
Same defense
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Once upon a time, there was a quarterback who couldn't have modeled Tebow any better.

In college, he led his team to a national title. He nearly won the Heisman, finishing second. He left school in his junior season and was a first round draft pick.

As a rookie, he took over a team that was 4-12 the previous year and 0-3 before he took over as the starter. He 'led' them to an 8-5 finish....sure, he wasn't the most accurate passer -- he only completed 52% of his throws -- but he was a big, mobile quarterback who could put up nice rushing stats to make up for his inaccuracy. He puts up over 550 yards on the ground on almost 7 yards per carry and rushes for 7 TDs himself. Hell, he even went to the pro bowl IN HIS ROOKIE SEASON. Everything that happened with Tebow happened with him -- the defense was playing better and they won games. So this guy must have been the reason they won, right? And the defense improved because of him, right?

But he goes beyond what Tebow has done, since we're talking about a six game stretch for Tebow. The next year, he starts fifteen games and his team goes to the playoffs. The following year he gets injured in the first game (which they win) and has some personal issues that keeps him from playing. The following year he starts the year as a backup and then is named the starter in the seventh game. The rest of the season puts Tebow's year to shame: after going 0-6 with him on the bench and the defense giving up 33 points per game, they go 8-2 with him as quarterback and the defense gives up just 20 points per game. Hell, he even gets named to the pro bowl again!

So if Tebow is a leader and a winner, then this guy must be a god. Two pro bowls, the defense has played better when he was in....and hell, unlike Tebow, he completes more than 45% of his passes (58%). Hell, this guy is sitting with a record of 25-13 as a quarterback. Teams should be knocking down his door should he ever become a free agent, right?

Or could it just have been right place, right time...that the team played well in spite of his deficiencies?

It might be just me, but I think that history shows that Vince Young held very small responsibility in the Titans winning.
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Ok, let's play a game. If Tebow is responsible for the Broncos turnaround, I'd have to imagine there aren't many QBs in the league that could make such a drastic change in a team. So list the QBs that also would have this Broncos team at 5-1 or better had they taken over midseason.
In playing this game, are we going to assume that those teams get the same Denver defense over the last six games, or are we going to go with Lars silly notion that Tebow has pep talked his way into them playing better?
Same defense
And same good luck? Other kickers missing game winners while his hits his and teams dropping onside kicks without getting hit?

BTW, Matt Moore won three straight games with the Dolphins before they lost a Thanksgiving game in Dallas by a point.

During that time, the defense has given up 10 points per game. And unlike Tebow, Moore has gotten the offense really rolling -- he's completed 70 of 104 passes for 901 yards with 7 TDs and 1 INT. Hell, even in the loss he was 19 of 32 for 288 with no picks. So I'll start by saying Matt Moore could have taken the place of Tebow and went 5-1 since he's 'led' the defense to even better numbers, and he took a team maybe even worse -- they hadn't won a game before that.
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the Vikings' defense is literally leaving Damarius Thomas WIDE OPEN.
Death to Signatures.
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And the Broncos are doing it again.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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BRONCOS BABY!!!!!! Don't look now but they are tied for first. In a Broncos fan's mind that doesn't matter till the final whistle of the final game though...
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Merry early Christmas from the Vikings to the Broncos. That was truly pathetic. The entire defense minus Jared Allen should go elsewhere. Also, what the HELL was Ponder thinking on that last pick?

sigh, being a Vikings/Colts fan sucks this year. But that game had to have been the worst.
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Merry early Christmas from the Vikings to the Broncos. That was truly pathetic. The entire defense minus Jared Allen should go elsewhere. Also, what the HELL was Ponder thinking on that last pick?

sigh, being a Vikings/Colts fan sucks this year. But that game had to have been the worst.
Only one thing explains it: Tim Tebow made a pact with the devil.
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