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I'm a Broncos fan but am not a homer nor think Tebow is anywhere close to the answer so this is a very hypothetical question. If Tebow finishes out the season strong and leads Denver to let's say second in the AFC West (even though that's nothing prestigious) will all this hatred of him continue?
haha, it's more of an internet meme than anything. i don't hate him, per se, but find his antics regarding religion in the public realm over the boundary of annoying/ridiculous which is why i have fun making fun of him. i think he's pretty god damn bad (pun intended) at football, but that's just a sidebar to how ridiculous he is as a person (at least for me). i guess i'm just an antagonist. :P

and before anyone brings it up, YES i've heard how *saintly* tebow is off the field and how good of a guy he is. that's fine, never met the guy, but i do see him going out of his way to shove religion down your throat, which is why I am annoyed by him. at the end of the day i suppose i don't really care whether he's good or bad, but my inner-antagonist will never miss an opportunity to rub a little dirt in his face.
Can I get some examples on him being ridiculous with his religion?
by no means am I offended, nor do I want it to be misconstrued that I actually care, but here are a few:

1) look at his twitter feed -- I'm not a follower of his but happened to see it today
2) kneeling in the middle of the field and praying after the dolphins win. praying is one thing, but he made a scene out of it, and you can't convince me otherwise.
3) he puts bible verses on his eye black.
4) that annoying ass super bowl commercial.

like I said it's just annoying/bizarre to me which is why I will gladly jump on the "make fun of tebow" pile, but if he has a long, prosperous NFL career that's a-okay with me.

::Kanye Shrug::
It's really funny how much you have to say you don't care about him or his antics. You just happened to see his twitter feed today huh? Haha. I can definitely see how he is shoving his religion down your throat with those examples. He is wayyyyyy over the top. I guess when a fan wears their team's merchandise everyday, watches every game, talks about them on a sports message board, goes on trips to watch them, etc. it's just normal right?
FWIW I saw it because I was scrolling through reddit.

I realize that I'm a player hater by nature, and I'd stop, but it's just too fun. like I said I'll gladly see him be a successful NFL player, but if not I'll happily hate on him too. haha.
Fair enough. I'm not going to act like I don't dislike some people just because I can/it's fun but I guess I just wish it didn't happen to a guy who seems to have strong morals.

Anyways my question really wasn't based on the aspect of people seeming to just flat out not like the guy. It was more based on that if he and the Broncos have a good year, will it quite it some of the critics? (I should stress that's a big IF)
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I'm a Broncos fan but am not a homer nor think Tebow is anywhere close to the answer so this is a very hypothetical question. If Tebow finishes out the season strong and leads Denver to let's say second in the AFC West (even though that's nothing prestigious) will all this hatred of him continue?
haha, it's more of an internet meme than anything. i don't hate him, per se, but find his antics regarding religion in the public realm over the boundary of annoying/ridiculous which is why i have fun making fun of him. i think he's pretty god damn bad (pun intended) at football, but that's just a sidebar to how ridiculous he is as a person (at least for me). i guess i'm just an antagonist. :P

and before anyone brings it up, YES i've heard how *saintly* tebow is off the field and how good of a guy he is. that's fine, never met the guy, but i do see him going out of his way to shove religion down your throat, which is why I am annoyed by him. at the end of the day i suppose i don't really care whether he's good or bad, but my inner-antagonist will never miss an opportunity to rub a little dirt in his face.
Can I get some examples on him being ridiculous with his religion?
by no means am I offended, nor do I want it to be misconstrued that I actually care, but here are a few:

1) look at his twitter feed -- I'm not a follower of his but happened to see it today
2) kneeling in the middle of the field and praying after the dolphins win. praying is one thing, but he made a scene out of it, and you can't convince me otherwise.
3) he puts bible verses on his eye black.
4) that annoying ass super bowl commercial.

like I said it's just annoying/bizarre to me which is why I will gladly jump on the "make fun of tebow" pile, but if he has a long, prosperous NFL career that's a-okay with me.

::Kanye Shrug::
It's really funny how much you have to say you don't care about him or his antics. You just happened to see his twitter feed today huh? Haha. I can definitely see how he is shoving his religion down your throat with those examples. He is wayyyyyy over the top. I guess when a fan wears their team's merchandise everyday, watches every game, talks about them on a sports message board, goes on trips to watch them, etc. it's just normal right?
FWIW I saw it because I was scrolling through reddit.

I realize that I'm a player hater by nature, and I'd stop, but it's just too fun. like I said I'll gladly see him be a successful NFL player, but if not I'll happily hate on him too. haha.
Fair enough. I'm not going to act like I don't dislike some people just because I can/it's fun but I guess I just wish it didn't happen to a guy who seems to have strong morals.

Anyways my question really wasn't based on the aspect of people seeming to just flat out not like the guy. It was more based on that if he and the Broncos have a good year, will it quite it some of the critics? (I should stress that's a big IF)
probably not. he's a polarizing figure. I compare him to the Sarah Palin of football. unless he goes and hides under a rock for a few years people are going to love him or hate him and not much else.
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I'm a Broncos fan but am not a homer nor think Tebow is anywhere close to the answer so this is a very hypothetical question. If Tebow finishes out the season strong and leads Denver to let's say second in the AFC West (even though that's nothing prestigious) will all this hatred of him continue?
haha, it's more of an internet meme than anything. i don't hate him, per se, but find his antics regarding religion in the public realm over the boundary of annoying/ridiculous which is why i have fun making fun of him. i think he's pretty god damn bad (pun intended) at football, but that's just a sidebar to how ridiculous he is as a person (at least for me). i guess i'm just an antagonist. :P

and before anyone brings it up, YES i've heard how *saintly* tebow is off the field and how good of a guy he is. that's fine, never met the guy, but i do see him going out of his way to shove religion down your throat, which is why I am annoyed by him. at the end of the day i suppose i don't really care whether he's good or bad, but my inner-antagonist will never miss an opportunity to rub a little dirt in his face.
Can I get some examples on him being ridiculous with his religion?
by no means am I offended, nor do I want it to be misconstrued that I actually care, but here are a few:

1) look at his twitter feed -- I'm not a follower of his but happened to see it today
2) kneeling in the middle of the field and praying after the dolphins win. praying is one thing, but he made a scene out of it, and you can't convince me otherwise.
3) he puts bible verses on his eye black.
4) that annoying ass super bowl commercial.

like I said it's just annoying/bizarre to me which is why I will gladly jump on the "make fun of tebow" pile, but if he has a long, prosperous NFL career that's a-okay with me.

::Kanye Shrug::
It's really funny how much you have to say you don't care about him or his antics. You just happened to see his twitter feed today huh? Haha. I can definitely see how he is shoving his religion down your throat with those examples. He is wayyyyyy over the top. I guess when a fan wears their team's merchandise everyday, watches every game, talks about them on a sports message board, goes on trips to watch them, etc. it's just normal right?
FWIW I saw it because I was scrolling through reddit.

I realize that I'm a player hater by nature, and I'd stop, but it's just too fun. like I said I'll gladly see him be a successful NFL player, but if not I'll happily hate on him too. haha.
Fair enough. I'm not going to act like I don't dislike some people just because I can/it's fun but I guess I just wish it didn't happen to a guy who seems to have strong morals.

Anyways my question really wasn't based on the aspect of people seeming to just flat out not like the guy. It was more based on that if he and the Broncos have a good year, will it quite it some of the critics? (I should stress that's a big IF)
probably not. he's a polarizing figure. I compare him to the Sarah Palin of football. unless he goes and hides under a rock for a few years people are going to love him or hate him and not much else.
I pretty much had the same opinion although probably not quite that good of an example. Haha
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blak_rob --

I don't have a problem with anything Tebow does other than the fact that you or I can throw a football better than he can. I also have a huge problem with the media's treatment of him (for example, at halftime of the Oakland game when Tebow was 7 of 17 for 48 yards and had several throws that were five yards off the mark, Shannon Sharpe 'Tebow is doing well') and how over the top his fans are in their assessment of him and their inability to separate his play from the rest of the teams.

Tim Tebow threw the ball four times in the second half yesterday and the Broncos scored 31 points.

Read the ESPN recap of the game:

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311106013

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blak_rob --

I don't have a problem with anything Tebow does other than the fact that you or I can throw a football better than he can. I also have a huge problem with the media's treatment of him (for example, at halftime of the Oakland game when Tebow was 7 of 17 for 48 yards and had several throws that were five yards off the mark, Shannon Sharpe 'Tebow is doing well') and how over the top his fans are in their assessment of him and their inability to separate his play from the rest of the teams.

Tim Tebow threw the ball four times in the second half yesterday and the Broncos scored 31 points.

Read the ESPN recap of the game:

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311106013

Trust me, I agree with the majority that he should not/doesn't deserve to be an NFL quarterback, which is why I asked the question. How well do him and the Broncos have to do for you to change your opinion on him being a decent QB?
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blak_rob --

I don't have a problem with anything Tebow does other than the fact that you or I can throw a football better than he can. I also have a huge problem with the media's treatment of him (for example, at halftime of the Oakland game when Tebow was 7 of 17 for 48 yards and had several throws that were five yards off the mark, Shannon Sharpe 'Tebow is doing well') and how over the top his fans are in their assessment of him and their inability to separate his play from the rest of the teams.

Tim Tebow threw the ball four times in the second half yesterday and the Broncos scored 31 points.

Read the ESPN recap of the game:

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311106013

Trust me, I agree with the majority that he should not/doesn't deserve to be an NFL quarterback, which is why I asked the question. How well do him and the Broncos have to do for you to change your opinion on him being a decent QB?
He's a first round draft pick so I would say a mostly annual playoff appearance with a few trips deep into the playoffs should be part of his expectations.
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blak_rob --

I don't have a problem with anything Tebow does other than the fact that you or I can throw a football better than he can. I also have a huge problem with the media's treatment of him (for example, at halftime of the Oakland game when Tebow was 7 of 17 for 48 yards and had several throws that were five yards off the mark, Shannon Sharpe 'Tebow is doing well') and how over the top his fans are in their assessment of him and their inability to separate his play from the rest of the teams.

Tim Tebow threw the ball four times in the second half yesterday and the Broncos scored 31 points.

Read the ESPN recap of the game:

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311106013

Trust me, I agree with the majority that he should not/doesn't deserve to be an NFL quarterback, which is why I asked the question. How well do him and the Broncos have to do for you to change your opinion on him being a decent QB?
He's a first round draft pick so I would say a mostly annual playoff appearance with a few trips deep into the playoffs should be part of his expectations.
Much more of the type of response I was looking for. I hope this response is limited to first round quarterbacks though and not all first round draft picks.
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Just because he was drafted at a certain position in the draft doesn't mean my expectations will change for him on the field. The only thing that will change will be my perception of ownership's competency.

I don't see Tebow ever making the playoffs as a starter, and him doing so would be the only way for my expectations to change.
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blak_rob --

I don't have a problem with anything Tebow does other than the fact that you or I can throw a football better than he can. I also have a huge problem with the media's treatment of him (for example, at halftime of the Oakland game when Tebow was 7 of 17 for 48 yards and had several throws that were five yards off the mark, Shannon Sharpe 'Tebow is doing well') and how over the top his fans are in their assessment of him and their inability to separate his play from the rest of the teams.

Tim Tebow threw the ball four times in the second half yesterday and the Broncos scored 31 points.

Read the ESPN recap of the game:

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311106013

Trust me, I agree with the majority that he should not/doesn't deserve to be an NFL quarterback, which is why I asked the question. How well do him and the Broncos have to do for you to change your opinion on him being a decent QB?
What he does and what the Broncos do are not hand in hand, which is what ticks me off about the coverage of him. I am tired of the media reports about Orton's record as the starter with the Broncos (while completely ignoring his record with the Bears) as a reason that they needed to turn to Tebow.

As a quarterback, Tebow does exactly one thing well....that is, he does exactly one thing that is positive, and then is run the ball. He has as bad an arm as any quarterback in the league given how horrible a delivery he has, he can't read a blitz to save his life (forget that he's a second year QB.....he is beyond help there) and the ONLY time he has been able to complete passes is when a defense has went into prevent. If he starts to get even a little bit of accuracy, expect his interceptions to go up because at this point the only reason he isn't getting picked is because he's missing by so much. Have you seen him play this year?

This is something I do want you to think of: you hear all the time that running quarterbacks will never be a serious threat to win in the NFL. People use it as a knock on Vick to say he'll never win the Superbowl. Don't want to pull the race card, but if Tim Tebow were black, what would fans being saying about him.....as a running quarterback with absolutely zero arm and no ability to recognize defenses? I think it's a fair question.
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blak_rob --

I don't have a problem with anything Tebow does other than the fact that you or I can throw a football better than he can. I also have a huge problem with the media's treatment of him (for example, at halftime of the Oakland game when Tebow was 7 of 17 for 48 yards and had several throws that were five yards off the mark, Shannon Sharpe 'Tebow is doing well') and how over the top his fans are in their assessment of him and their inability to separate his play from the rest of the teams.

Tim Tebow threw the ball four times in the second half yesterday and the Broncos scored 31 points.

Read the ESPN recap of the game:

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311106013

Trust me, I agree with the majority that he should not/doesn't deserve to be an NFL quarterback, which is why I asked the question. How well do him and the Broncos have to do for you to change your opinion on him being a decent QB?
What he does and what the Broncos do are not hand in hand, which is what ticks me off about the coverage of him. I am tired of the media reports about Orton's record as the starter with the Broncos (while completely ignoring his record with the Bears) as a reason that they needed to turn to Tebow.

As a quarterback, Tebow does exactly one thing well....that is, he does exactly one thing that is positive, and then is run the ball. He has as bad an arm as any quarterback in the league given how horrible a delivery he has, he can't read a blitz to save his life (forget that he's a second year QB.....he is beyond help there) and the ONLY time he has been able to complete passes is when a defense has went into prevent. If he starts to get even a little bit of accuracy, expect his interceptions to go up because at this point the only reason he isn't getting picked is because he's missing by so much. Have you seen him play this year?

This is something I do want you to think of: you hear all the time that running quarterbacks will never be a serious threat to win in the NFL. People use it as a knock on Vick to say he'll never win the Superbowl. Don't want to pull the race card, but if Tim Tebow were black, what would fans being saying about him.....as a running quarterback with absolutely zero arm and no ability to recognize defenses? I think it's a fair question.
I have not been able to see him play this year so I can't offer much opinion on his play. I'm a Broncos fan though so him and the team are the same to me. Also I would say the strength of the QB of a team has a very strong correlation with how good the team is overall.

I don't want people to analyze where he is right now because I know it's not very good and I'm pretty sure that is almost everyone's opinion. I want to know if he starts putting good games together and shows that he has the potential to be an NFL QB will people continue to rag on him with his every move?
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blak_rob --

I don't have a problem with anything Tebow does other than the fact that you or I can throw a football better than he can. I also have a huge problem with the media's treatment of him (for example, at halftime of the Oakland game when Tebow was 7 of 17 for 48 yards and had several throws that were five yards off the mark, Shannon Sharpe 'Tebow is doing well') and how over the top his fans are in their assessment of him and their inability to separate his play from the rest of the teams. How many cities do you not erect billboards saying they want the backup QB to start? So my question is not what will the 'haters' do if he succeeds, but what will have to happen before the lovers admit his failings?

Tim Tebow threw the ball four times in the second half yesterday and the Broncos scored 31 points.

Read the ESPN recap of the game:

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311106013

Trust me, I agree with the majority that he should not/doesn't deserve to be an NFL quarterback, which is why I asked the question. How well do him and the Broncos have to do for you to change your opinion on him being a decent QB?
What he does and what the Broncos do are not hand in hand, which is what ticks me off about the coverage of him. I am tired of the media reports about Orton's record as the starter with the Broncos (while completely ignoring his record with the Bears) as a reason that they needed to turn to Tebow.

As a quarterback, Tebow does exactly one thing well....that is, he does exactly one thing that is positive, and then is run the ball. He has as bad an arm as any quarterback in the league given how horrible a delivery he has, he can't read a blitz to save his life (forget that he's a second year QB.....he is beyond help there) and the ONLY time he has been able to complete passes is when a defense has went into prevent. If he starts to get even a little bit of accuracy, expect his interceptions to go up because at this point the only reason he isn't getting picked is because he's missing by so much. Have you seen him play this year?

This is something I do want you to think of: you hear all the time that running quarterbacks will never be a serious threat to win in the NFL. People use it as a knock on Vick to say he'll never win the Superbowl. Don't want to pull the race card, but if Tim Tebow were black, what would fans being saying about him.....as a running quarterback with absolutely zero arm and no ability to recognize defenses? I think it's a fair question.
I have not been able to see him play this year so I can't offer much opinion on his play. I'm a Broncos fan though so him and the team are the same to me. Also I would say the strength of the QB of a team has a very strong correlation with how good the team is overall.

I don't want people to analyze where he is right now because I know it's not very good and I'm pretty sure that is almost everyone's opinion. I want to know if he starts putting good games together and shows that he has the potential to be an NFL QB will people continue to rag on him with his every move?
In July of 2010, before Tebow had even been to a training camp, he took over the NFL lead in number of jerseys sold for the previous quarter. His jersey was the highest selling rookie jersey since the NFL starting tracking them.

So when you say 'everyone is ragging on him', that's not true. The media isn't, but given his play it should be. Tons of fans ignore everything he does wrong and believe that he 'willed the Broncos' to beat the Dolphins after playing like crap for 55 minutes, scoring a touchdown against a prevent defense, and then having the Dolphins drop an onside kick.

I've watched him play. I'm not kidding about him having the worst arm I've ever seen in the NFL. His 46% completion rate will tell you that. Teams are blitzing him play after play because he can't pick it up. The last game the Broncos resorted to having him run option plays with MacGahee...which is nice if you are just trying to win a game by catching a team by surprise, but it's not something you can do when a team prepares for it. The worst thing that ever happened to the Miami Dolphins was their success of the wildcat against the Patriots...they spent the next two years trying to run a gimmick that no longer worked instead of actually developing their young quarterback. Putting Tebow in shotgun every down and having him put it in McGahee's gut and then deciding whether to hand it off or not simply is saying we have someone who can't develop.
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In terms of correlation between QB play and team play:

Kyle Orton had a rating of 71.1 in Chicago and was 21-12 as a starter. In Denver he had a rating of 85.7 and a 12 and 21 record.

Trent Dilfer was called 'a great game manager' the year that he was the quarterback with Baltimore and they won the Superbowl. They were 7-1 in the regular season when he started. But was he a great game manager? Absolutely not. He threw 11 picks in only 226 passes. In fact, of the 34 QBs who threw 200 passes that year, Dilfer had the 4th highest interception percentage....he had a higher percentage of picks than the guy who lead the league in interceptions thrown. He also did a horrible job of getting rid the ball....he had the 7th highest sack rate. So he threw a lot of picks, got sacked a lot....and yet was called a game manager and is used still today as an example of having a 'qb who doesn't make mistakes'.

BTW, in their playoff run, Dilfer completed 44% of his passes.
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