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My first thought was that it is an exception, but Aaron might be right if you look past the $1 million home and focus on the scenario. There's a lot of programs that look at income only regardless of assets. Combine this with individuals making nothing qualifying for more than those working at low-paying jobs, and the individuals that fit that criteria is an interesting mix. Personally, I try hard to avoid looking for friends and family that take advantage of the system, yet off the top of my head I know 6 that bragged to me about it. Out of those, all are not working by choice.
I have 3 close family members, 4 neighbors, and 2 business associates that I know for a fact are living very well....multiple cars, nice home, vacations...etc, and all of them are doing so while taking liberally from the government dime....the further I look, the more I find it. I personally believe that ALL welfare should be handled at the local level where it would be obvious to the administrator that someone is gaming the system....they would recognize the address, or see them driving a Corvette one day....etc. Small local government works better at nearly everything, with the exception of national defense.
There are other things the federal government is better at (or really, required for). Mainly protecting equal rights for minorities throughout the country.
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There are other things the federal government is better at (or really, required for). Mainly protecting equal rights for minorities throughout the country.
I'm sorry, I consider myself one of the more level headed conservative/libertarian types on this board, but I have to say really the federal government is good at nothing except taking our money and curtailing our freedoms.

In all seriousness, maybe I am overlooking something, but can someone please tell me one thing the federal government does fairly, effeciently. and without spending assloads of money?

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Unrelated, but I enjoyed this from the comments section:

" #$%$ PURE #$%$ while the rest of US work OUR #$%$ OFF TO KEEP WHAT WE HAVE! TIME FOR WELFARE REFORM. I DON'T CARE "WHAT" COLOR YOU ARE, WRONG IS WRONG! I am tired of these Welfare cheats getting away with it. The ONES that need it cant get it and we take care of the YOUNG ONES before the Seniors get ANYTHING. Seems to me we are taking from the Older and giving to the Young so they can sit home and Make ALL kind of Babies. Time to get "fingerprint ID". When you apply for Welfare your fingerprint is on file so when you go back with another Alias, your print is already on file SO NO 2nd and 3rd DIPPING. YOU ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE."

I hope the above commenter said this as he or she cashed a Social Security check.
I have held a job since I was 13 that required me to pay taxes. When I finally retire at 65 (probably more like 75), should I feel guilty about getting a social security check? Do you really consider that welfare? For some it may be welfare but for those of us who have worked and are forced to pay into the system our entire lives, it is definitely not.
You shouldn't feel guilty. But I don't expect to get anything back from the SS payments I'll be making when I graduate. I just think it's ironic that he or she thinks the young are stealing from the old when this generation will likely pay into SS but never get anything back.
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??? So you bust aaron for not backing up his "facts" yet you do the same thing in claiming that "this generation will likely pay into SS and never get aything back"???

The only fact that I see is that people have been told that if they pay into the system (by force), it will be there for them when they retire. The "old" people you speak of just expect to receive what they were told that they would get, whats wrong with that? Maybe your generation will or won't have SS available to you when you retire but that is no reason for you to laugh at those that expect to get what they were promised. When you have 25 yrs work experience and have paid into the system, you will probably view the entire situation differently, imo. If you haven't paid into the system yet why does your opinion even matter? Just sayin'.

I don't think it is the "young" that the poster is talking about stealing from the system. It's the folks that never pay in and expect benefits for life. Helping the elderly or handicapped insnt the problem, paying for the people who are just plain lazy is.
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Unrelated, but I enjoyed this from the comments section:

" #$%$ PURE #$%$ while the rest of US work OUR #$%$ OFF TO KEEP WHAT WE HAVE! TIME FOR WELFARE REFORM. I DON'T CARE "WHAT" COLOR YOU ARE, WRONG IS WRONG! I am tired of these Welfare cheats getting away with it. The ONES that need it cant get it and we take care of the YOUNG ONES before the Seniors get ANYTHING. Seems to me we are taking from the Older and giving to the Young so they can sit home and Make ALL kind of Babies. Time to get "fingerprint ID". When you apply for Welfare your fingerprint is on file so when you go back with another Alias, your print is already on file SO NO 2nd and 3rd DIPPING. YOU ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE."

I hope the above commenter said this as he or she cashed a Social Security check.
I have held a job since I was 13 that required me to pay taxes. When I finally retire at 65 (probably more like 75), should I feel guilty about getting a social security check? Do you really consider that welfare? For some it may be welfare but for those of us who have worked and are forced to pay into the system our entire lives, it is definitely not.
You shouldn't feel guilty. But I don't expect to get anything back from the SS payments I'll be making when I graduate. I just think it's ironic that he or she thinks the young are stealing from the old when this generation will likely pay into SS but never get anything back.
"You keep saying "the fact is" followed by something without evidence." - Chops

"If you're going to claim something as a fact, at least provide a source. Not saying you're wrong, but as Wikipedia would say "[citation needed]"." - Chops



??? So you bust aaron for not backing up his "facts" yet you do the same thing in claiming that "this generation will likely pay into SS and never get aything back"???

The only fact that I see is that people have been told that if they pay into the system (by force), it will be there for them when they retire. The "old" people you speak of just expect to receive what they were told that they would get, whats wrong with that? Maybe your generation will or won't have SS available to you when you retire but that is no reason for you to laugh at those that expect to get what they were promised. When you have 25 yrs work experience and have paid into the system, you will probably view the entire situation differently, imo. If you haven't paid into the system yet why does your opinion even matter? Just sayin'.
Right, I'm not allowed an opinion on something like SS because I'm too young / haven't made enough money. I've paid enough into SS from summer engineering internships to know how it affects a paycheck.

You're right about providing a source, though. Should have said "I personally don't expect to receive SS money and am planning for retirement as such" instead of making a claim about the entire generation. I won't dispute that.
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There are other things the federal government is better at (or really, required for). Mainly protecting equal rights for minorities throughout the country.
I'm sorry, I consider myself one of the more level headed conservative/libertarian types on this board, but I have to say really the federal government is good at nothing except taking our money and curtailing our freedoms.

In all seriousness, maybe I am overlooking something, but can someone please tell me one thing the federal government does fairly, effeciently. and without spending assloads of money?

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Can't remember where I read it but I saw something about a former SS adminnistration employee saying that approximately 30% of all medicare money is WASTED! That is 100% due to letting career politicians control the checkbook, imo.
That is just ONE of the thousands of federal programs.....can you even imagine the total dollar figure that is wasted yearly by our federal government? I'm sure it would blow our minds.
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There are other things the federal government is better at (or really, required for). Mainly protecting equal rights for minorities throughout the country.
I'm sorry, I consider myself one of the more level headed conservative/libertarian types on this board, but I have to say really the federal government is good at nothing except taking our money and curtailing our freedoms.

In all seriousness, maybe I am overlooking something, but can someone please tell me one thing the federal government does fairly, effeciently. and without spending assloads of money?

So you don't see any need for a federal government besides national security?

My take on this is human rights related. That is NOT something you want decided by local government, or you might end up with states/counties that still support racial discrimination.
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Unrelated, but I enjoyed this from the comments section:

" #$%$ PURE #$%$ while the rest of US work OUR #$%$ OFF TO KEEP WHAT WE HAVE! TIME FOR WELFARE REFORM. I DON'T CARE "WHAT" COLOR YOU ARE, WRONG IS WRONG! I am tired of these Welfare cheats getting away with it. The ONES that need it cant get it and we take care of the YOUNG ONES before the Seniors get ANYTHING. Seems to me we are taking from the Older and giving to the Young so they can sit home and Make ALL kind of Babies. Time to get "fingerprint ID". When you apply for Welfare your fingerprint is on file so when you go back with another Alias, your print is already on file SO NO 2nd and 3rd DIPPING. YOU ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE."

I hope the above commenter said this as he or she cashed a Social Security check.
I have held a job since I was 13 that required me to pay taxes. When I finally retire at 65 (probably more like 75), should I feel guilty about getting a social security check? Do you really consider that welfare? For some it may be welfare but for those of us who have worked and are forced to pay into the system our entire lives, it is definitely not.
You shouldn't feel guilty. But I don't expect to get anything back from the SS payments I'll be making when I graduate. I just think it's ironic that he or she thinks the young are stealing from the old when this generation will likely pay into SS but never get anything back.
"You keep saying "the fact is" followed by something without evidence." - Chops

"If you're going to claim something as a fact, at least provide a source. Not saying you're wrong, but as Wikipedia would say "[citation needed]"." - Chops



??? So you bust aaron for not backing up his "facts" yet you do the same thing in claiming that "this generation will likely pay into SS and never get aything back"???

The only fact that I see is that people have been told that if they pay into the system (by force), it will be there for them when they retire. The "old" people you speak of just expect to receive what they were told that they would get, whats wrong with that? Maybe your generation will or won't have SS available to you when you retire but that is no reason for you to laugh at those that expect to get what they were promised. When you have 25 yrs work experience and have paid into the system, you will probably view the entire situation differently, imo. If you haven't paid into the system yet why does your opinion even matter? Just sayin'.
Right, I'm not allowed an opinion on something like SS because I'm too young / haven't made enough money. I've paid enough into SS from summer engineering internships to know how it affects a paycheck.

You're right about providing a source, though. Should have said "I personally don't expect to receive SS money and am planning for retirement as such" instead of making a claim about the entire generation. I won't dispute that.
I also have my own seperate retirement. Does that mean that I'm lucky and should just write off the money that I am supposed to get thru SS after I am eligible? If the government can't balance their checkbook then they should start phasing it out for your generation. The problem is that the ponzi scheme is so huge that they could never do that. If somebody in this scenario is a thief, it is the federal government. A hard working taxpayer should demand that the government fix the problems, there is nothing wrong with that, imo.

If your future employer gave you a 5 yr plan with goals and benchmarks and promised profit sharing or stock options for you meeting those goals, wouldn't you be a little pissed if after meting all those goals you were told that the company simply couldn't afford the promises that the made to you for your hard work? Taxpayers have INVESTED in a system that they are continuously told is a healthy, viable system. Whats wrong with expecting the return you were promised. Whats wrong with being pissed when a person is paid dividends from a system that they never even invested into?
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Unrelated, but I enjoyed this from the comments section:

" #$%$ PURE #$%$ while the rest of US work OUR #$%$ OFF TO KEEP WHAT WE HAVE! TIME FOR WELFARE REFORM. I DON'T CARE "WHAT" COLOR YOU ARE, WRONG IS WRONG! I am tired of these Welfare cheats getting away with it. The ONES that need it cant get it and we take care of the YOUNG ONES before the Seniors get ANYTHING. Seems to me we are taking from the Older and giving to the Young so they can sit home and Make ALL kind of Babies. Time to get "fingerprint ID". When you apply for Welfare your fingerprint is on file so when you go back with another Alias, your print is already on file SO NO 2nd and 3rd DIPPING. YOU ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE."

I hope the above commenter said this as he or she cashed a Social Security check.
I have held a job since I was 13 that required me to pay taxes. When I finally retire at 65 (probably more like 75), should I feel guilty about getting a social security check? Do you really consider that welfare? For some it may be welfare but for those of us who have worked and are forced to pay into the system our entire lives, it is definitely not.
You shouldn't feel guilty. But I don't expect to get anything back from the SS payments I'll be making when I graduate. I just think it's ironic that he or she thinks the young are stealing from the old when this generation will likely pay into SS but never get anything back.
"You keep saying "the fact is" followed by something without evidence." - Chops

"If you're going to claim something as a fact, at least provide a source. Not saying you're wrong, but as Wikipedia would say "[citation needed]"." - Chops



??? So you bust aaron for not backing up his "facts" yet you do the same thing in claiming that "this generation will likely pay into SS and never get aything back"???

The only fact that I see is that people have been told that if they pay into the system (by force), it will be there for them when they retire. The "old" people you speak of just expect to receive what they were told that they would get, whats wrong with that? Maybe your generation will or won't have SS available to you when you retire but that is no reason for you to laugh at those that expect to get what they were promised. When you have 25 yrs work experience and have paid into the system, you will probably view the entire situation differently, imo. If you haven't paid into the system yet why does your opinion even matter? Just sayin'.
Right, I'm not allowed an opinion on something like SS because I'm too young / haven't made enough money. I've paid enough into SS from summer engineering internships to know how it affects a paycheck.

You're right about providing a source, though. Should have said "I personally don't expect to receive SS money and am planning for retirement as such" instead of making a claim about the entire generation. I won't dispute that.
I also have my own seperate retirement. Does that mean that I'm lucky and should just write off the money that I am supposed to get thru SS after I am eligible? If the government can't balance their checkbook then they should start phasing it out for your generation. The problem is that the ponzi scheme is so huge that they could never do that. If somebody in this scenario is a thief, it is the federal government. A hard working taxpayer should demand that the government fix the problems, there is nothing wrong with that, imo.

If your future employer gave you a 5 yr plan with goals and benchmarks and promised profit sharing or stock options for you meeting those goals, wouldn't you be a little pissed if after meting all those goals you were told that the company simply couldn't afford the promises that the made to you for your hard work? Taxpayers have INVESTED in a system that they are continuously told is a healthy, viable system. Whats wrong with expecting the return you were promised. Whats wrong with being pissed when a person is paid dividends from a system that they never even invested into?
Nothing. But if you are definitely getting that income, how can you complain that the young are stealing from the old?
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There are other things the federal government is better at (or really, required for). Mainly protecting equal rights for minorities throughout the country.
I'm sorry, I consider myself one of the more level headed conservative/libertarian types on this board, but I have to say really the federal government is good at nothing except taking our money and curtailing our freedoms.

In all seriousness, maybe I am overlooking something, but can someone please tell me one thing the federal government does fairly, effeciently. and without spending assloads of money?

So you don't see any need for a federal government besides national security?

My take on this is human rights related. That is NOT something you want decided by local government, or you might end up with states/counties that still support racial discrimination.
You can't honestly think that in this day and age that a County or entire State could get away with widespread racial discrimination, do you? Seems to me that that would be nearly impossible on the scale of SS or welfare. It is 2011, is everything really still all about race? So if the fed hypothetically wasted 30% of all monies that they touched, it would be ok with you because there may be less racial discrimination? LOL.....that even sounds dumb.
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Unrelated, but I enjoyed this from the comments section:

" #$%$ PURE #$%$ while the rest of US work OUR #$%$ OFF TO KEEP WHAT WE HAVE! TIME FOR WELFARE REFORM. I DON'T CARE "WHAT" COLOR YOU ARE, WRONG IS WRONG! I am tired of these Welfare cheats getting away with it. The ONES that need it cant get it and we take care of the YOUNG ONES before the Seniors get ANYTHING. Seems to me we are taking from the Older and giving to the Young so they can sit home and Make ALL kind of Babies. Time to get "fingerprint ID". When you apply for Welfare your fingerprint is on file so when you go back with another Alias, your print is already on file SO NO 2nd and 3rd DIPPING. YOU ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE."

I hope the above commenter said this as he or she cashed a Social Security check.
I have held a job since I was 13 that required me to pay taxes. When I finally retire at 65 (probably more like 75), should I feel guilty about getting a social security check? Do you really consider that welfare? For some it may be welfare but for those of us who have worked and are forced to pay into the system our entire lives, it is definitely not.
You shouldn't feel guilty. But I don't expect to get anything back from the SS payments I'll be making when I graduate. I just think it's ironic that he or she thinks the young are stealing from the old when this generation will likely pay into SS but never get anything back.
"You keep saying "the fact is" followed by something without evidence." - Chops

"If you're going to claim something as a fact, at least provide a source. Not saying you're wrong, but as Wikipedia would say "[citation needed]"." - Chops



??? So you bust aaron for not backing up his "facts" yet you do the same thing in claiming that "this generation will likely pay into SS and never get aything back"???

The only fact that I see is that people have been told that if they pay into the system (by force), it will be there for them when they retire. The "old" people you speak of just expect to receive what they were told that they would get, whats wrong with that? Maybe your generation will or won't have SS available to you when you retire but that is no reason for you to laugh at those that expect to get what they were promised. When you have 25 yrs work experience and have paid into the system, you will probably view the entire situation differently, imo. If you haven't paid into the system yet why does your opinion even matter? Just sayin'.
Right, I'm not allowed an opinion on something like SS because I'm too young / haven't made enough money. I've paid enough into SS from summer engineering internships to know how it affects a paycheck.

You're right about providing a source, though. Should have said "I personally don't expect to receive SS money and am planning for retirement as such" instead of making a claim about the entire generation. I won't dispute that.
I also have my own seperate retirement. Does that mean that I'm lucky and should just write off the money that I am supposed to get thru SS after I am eligible? If the government can't balance their checkbook then they should start phasing it out for your generation. The problem is that the ponzi scheme is so huge that they could never do that. If somebody in this scenario is a thief, it is the federal government. A hard working taxpayer should demand that the government fix the problems, there is nothing wrong with that, imo.

If your future employer gave you a 5 yr plan with goals and benchmarks and promised profit sharing or stock options for you meeting those goals, wouldn't you be a little pissed if after meting all those goals you were told that the company simply couldn't afford the promises that the made to you for your hard work? Taxpayers have INVESTED in a system that they are continuously told is a healthy, viable system. Whats wrong with expecting the return you were promised. Whats wrong with being pissed when a person is paid dividends from a system that they never even invested into?
Nothing. But if you are definitely getting that income, how can you complain that the young are stealing from the old?
I never said the young are stealing from the old. I do think that there are lazy/manipulative people that steal from us all. Not sure why expecting less fraud for the betterment of us all is a bad thing??
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Unrelated, but I enjoyed this from the comments section:

" #$%$ PURE #$%$ while the rest of US work OUR #$%$ OFF TO KEEP WHAT WE HAVE! TIME FOR WELFARE REFORM. I DON'T CARE "WHAT" COLOR YOU ARE, WRONG IS WRONG! I am tired of these Welfare cheats getting away with it. The ONES that need it cant get it and we take care of the YOUNG ONES before the Seniors get ANYTHING. Seems to me we are taking from the Older and giving to the Young so they can sit home and Make ALL kind of Babies. Time to get "fingerprint ID". When you apply for Welfare your fingerprint is on file so when you go back with another Alias, your print is already on file SO NO 2nd and 3rd DIPPING. YOU ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE."

I hope the above commenter said this as he or she cashed a Social Security check.
I have held a job since I was 13 that required me to pay taxes. When I finally retire at 65 (probably more like 75), should I feel guilty about getting a social security check? Do you really consider that welfare? For some it may be welfare but for those of us who have worked and are forced to pay into the system our entire lives, it is definitely not.
You shouldn't feel guilty. But I don't expect to get anything back from the SS payments I'll be making when I graduate. I just think it's ironic that he or she thinks the young are stealing from the old when this generation will likely pay into SS but never get anything back.
"You keep saying "the fact is" followed by something without evidence." - Chops

"If you're going to claim something as a fact, at least provide a source. Not saying you're wrong, but as Wikipedia would say "[citation needed]"." - Chops



??? So you bust aaron for not backing up his "facts" yet you do the same thing in claiming that "this generation will likely pay into SS and never get aything back"???

The only fact that I see is that people have been told that if they pay into the system (by force), it will be there for them when they retire. The "old" people you speak of just expect to receive what they were told that they would get, whats wrong with that? Maybe your generation will or won't have SS available to you when you retire but that is no reason for you to laugh at those that expect to get what they were promised. When you have 25 yrs work experience and have paid into the system, you will probably view the entire situation differently, imo. If you haven't paid into the system yet why does your opinion even matter? Just sayin'.
Right, I'm not allowed an opinion on something like SS because I'm too young / haven't made enough money. I've paid enough into SS from summer engineering internships to know how it affects a paycheck.

You're right about providing a source, though. Should have said "I personally don't expect to receive SS money and am planning for retirement as such" instead of making a claim about the entire generation. I won't dispute that.
I also have my own seperate retirement. Does that mean that I'm lucky and should just write off the money that I am supposed to get thru SS after I am eligible? If the government can't balance their checkbook then they should start phasing it out for your generation. The problem is that the ponzi scheme is so huge that they could never do that. If somebody in this scenario is a thief, it is the federal government. A hard working taxpayer should demand that the government fix the problems, there is nothing wrong with that, imo.

If your future employer gave you a 5 yr plan with goals and benchmarks and promised profit sharing or stock options for you meeting those goals, wouldn't you be a little pissed if after meting all those goals you were told that the company simply couldn't afford the promises that the made to you for your hard work? Taxpayers have INVESTED in a system that they are continuously told is a healthy, viable system. Whats wrong with expecting the return you were promised. Whats wrong with being pissed when a person is paid dividends from a system that they never even invested into?
Nothing. But if you are definitely getting that income, how can you complain that the young are stealing from the old?
I never said the young are stealing from the old. I do think that there are lazy/manipulative people that steal from us all. Not sure why expecting less fraud for the betterment of us all is a bad thing??
I was going back to the original quote from the comment I took issue with.
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There are other things the federal government is better at (or really, required for). Mainly protecting equal rights for minorities throughout the country.
I'm sorry, I consider myself one of the more level headed conservative/libertarian types on this board, but I have to say really the federal government is good at nothing except taking our money and curtailing our freedoms.

In all seriousness, maybe I am overlooking something, but can someone please tell me one thing the federal government does fairly, effeciently. and without spending assloads of money?

So you don't see any need for a federal government besides national security?

My take on this is human rights related. That is NOT something you want decided by local government, or you might end up with states/counties that still support racial discrimination.
You can't honestly think that in this day and age that a County or entire State could get away with widespread racial discrimination, do you? Seems to me that that would be nearly impossible on the scale of SS or welfare. It is 2011, is everything really still all about race? So if the fed hypothetically wasted 30% of all monies that they touched, it would be ok with you because there may be less racial discrimination? LOL.....that even sounds dumb.
Where the fuck did I say that? I said the federal government has a responsibility to protect human rights.

Race was used because it was the easiest example, not in an attempt to make things "about race"

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the statement about wanting to reduce the federal government to only national security.
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Unrelated, but I enjoyed this from the comments section:

" #$%$ PURE #$%$ while the rest of US work OUR #$%$ OFF TO KEEP WHAT WE HAVE! TIME FOR WELFARE REFORM. I DON'T CARE "WHAT" COLOR YOU ARE, WRONG IS WRONG! I am tired of these Welfare cheats getting away with it. The ONES that need it cant get it and we take care of the YOUNG ONES before the Seniors get ANYTHING. Seems to me we are taking from the Older and giving to the Young so they can sit home and Make ALL kind of Babies. Time to get "fingerprint ID". When you apply for Welfare your fingerprint is on file so when you go back with another Alias, your print is already on file SO NO 2nd and 3rd DIPPING. YOU ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE."

I hope the above commenter said this as he or she cashed a Social Security check.
I have held a job since I was 13 that required me to pay taxes. When I finally retire at 65 (probably more like 75), should I feel guilty about getting a social security check? Do you really consider that welfare? For some it may be welfare but for those of us who have worked and are forced to pay into the system our entire lives, it is definitely not.
You shouldn't feel guilty. But I don't expect to get anything back from the SS payments I'll be making when I graduate. I just think it's ironic that he or she thinks the young are stealing from the old when this generation will likely pay into SS but never get anything back.
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??? So you bust aaron for not backing up his "facts" yet you do the same thing in claiming that "this generation will likely pay into SS and never get aything back"???

The only fact that I see is that people have been told that if they pay into the system (by force), it will be there for them when they retire. The "old" people you speak of just expect to receive what they were told that they would get, whats wrong with that? Maybe your generation will or won't have SS available to you when you retire but that is no reason for you to laugh at those that expect to get what they were promised. When you have 25 yrs work experience and have paid into the system, you will probably view the entire situation differently, imo. If you haven't paid into the system yet why does your opinion even matter? Just sayin'.
Right, I'm not allowed an opinion on something like SS because I'm too young / haven't made enough money. I've paid enough into SS from summer engineering internships to know how it affects a paycheck.

You're right about providing a source, though. Should have said "I personally don't expect to receive SS money and am planning for retirement as such" instead of making a claim about the entire generation. I won't dispute that.
I also have my own seperate retirement. Does that mean that I'm lucky and should just write off the money that I am supposed to get thru SS after I am eligible? If the government can't balance their checkbook then they should start phasing it out for your generation. The problem is that the ponzi scheme is so huge that they could never do that. If somebody in this scenario is a thief, it is the federal government. A hard working taxpayer should demand that the government fix the problems, there is nothing wrong with that, imo.

If your future employer gave you a 5 yr plan with goals and benchmarks and promised profit sharing or stock options for you meeting those goals, wouldn't you be a little pissed if after meting all those goals you were told that the company simply couldn't afford the promises that the made to you for your hard work? Taxpayers have INVESTED in a system that they are continuously told is a healthy, viable system. Whats wrong with expecting the return you were promised. Whats wrong with being pissed when a person is paid dividends from a system that they never even invested into?
Nothing. But if you are definitely getting that income, how can you complain that the young are stealing from the old?
I never said the young are stealing from the old. I do think that there are lazy/manipulative people that steal from us all. Not sure why expecting less fraud for the betterment of us all is a bad thing??
I was going back to the original quote from the comment I took issue with.
Even if I do receive SS when I retire, why should it be ok for fraudsters to steal your future SS or my kids future SS? Seems to me that a good citizen questions a broken system regardless of if they are getting a check or not. It's the ONLY way to assure that your generation of hardworking taxpayers get what they pay into. So the poster in question looking out for YOUR financial future is funny to you? Wow! Your generation makes it hard to be a concerned citizen. Maybe all of us old fuckers should just stand back, shut out mouths, and sit back to watch and laugh when your time comes to receive your hard earned benefits?

Good citizens question their government, especially when it is such a big issue as welfare and SS. If you haven't noticed, this country is not currently in the best financial situation. The current government is adding 1.3 trillion to YOUR debt on a YEARLY basis. Don't you think it is about time that good citizens start asking a few questions?
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Unrelated, but I enjoyed this from the comments section:

" #$%$ PURE #$%$ while the rest of US work OUR #$%$ OFF TO KEEP WHAT WE HAVE! TIME FOR WELFARE REFORM. I DON'T CARE "WHAT" COLOR YOU ARE, WRONG IS WRONG! I am tired of these Welfare cheats getting away with it. The ONES that need it cant get it and we take care of the YOUNG ONES before the Seniors get ANYTHING. Seems to me we are taking from the Older and giving to the Young so they can sit home and Make ALL kind of Babies. Time to get "fingerprint ID". When you apply for Welfare your fingerprint is on file so when you go back with another Alias, your print is already on file SO NO 2nd and 3rd DIPPING. YOU ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE."

I hope the above commenter said this as he or she cashed a Social Security check.
I have held a job since I was 13 that required me to pay taxes. When I finally retire at 65 (probably more like 75), should I feel guilty about getting a social security check? Do you really consider that welfare? For some it may be welfare but for those of us who have worked and are forced to pay into the system our entire lives, it is definitely not.
You shouldn't feel guilty. But I don't expect to get anything back from the SS payments I'll be making when I graduate. I just think it's ironic that he or she thinks the young are stealing from the old when this generation will likely pay into SS but never get anything back.
"You keep saying "the fact is" followed by something without evidence." - Chops

"If you're going to claim something as a fact, at least provide a source. Not saying you're wrong, but as Wikipedia would say "[citation needed]"." - Chops



??? So you bust aaron for not backing up his "facts" yet you do the same thing in claiming that "this generation will likely pay into SS and never get aything back"???

The only fact that I see is that people have been told that if they pay into the system (by force), it will be there for them when they retire. The "old" people you speak of just expect to receive what they were told that they would get, whats wrong with that? Maybe your generation will or won't have SS available to you when you retire but that is no reason for you to laugh at those that expect to get what they were promised. When you have 25 yrs work experience and have paid into the system, you will probably view the entire situation differently, imo. If you haven't paid into the system yet why does your opinion even matter? Just sayin'.
Right, I'm not allowed an opinion on something like SS because I'm too young / haven't made enough money. I've paid enough into SS from summer engineering internships to know how it affects a paycheck.

You're right about providing a source, though. Should have said "I personally don't expect to receive SS money and am planning for retirement as such" instead of making a claim about the entire generation. I won't dispute that.
I also have my own seperate retirement. Does that mean that I'm lucky and should just write off the money that I am supposed to get thru SS after I am eligible? If the government can't balance their checkbook then they should start phasing it out for your generation. The problem is that the ponzi scheme is so huge that they could never do that. If somebody in this scenario is a thief, it is the federal government. A hard working taxpayer should demand that the government fix the problems, there is nothing wrong with that, imo.

If your future employer gave you a 5 yr plan with goals and benchmarks and promised profit sharing or stock options for you meeting those goals, wouldn't you be a little pissed if after meting all those goals you were told that the company simply couldn't afford the promises that the made to you for your hard work? Taxpayers have INVESTED in a system that they are continuously told is a healthy, viable system. Whats wrong with expecting the return you were promised. Whats wrong with being pissed when a person is paid dividends from a system that they never even invested into?
Nothing. But if you are definitely getting that income, how can you complain that the young are stealing from the old?
I never said the young are stealing from the old. I do think that there are lazy/manipulative people that steal from us all. Not sure why expecting less fraud for the betterment of us all is a bad thing??
I was going back to the original quote from the comment I took issue with.
Even if I do receive SS when I retire, why should it be ok for fraudsters to steal your future SS or my kids future SS? Seems to me that a good citizen questions a broken system regardless of if they are getting a check or not. It's the ONLY way to assure that your generation of hardworking taxpayers get what they pay into. So the poster in question looking out for YOUR financial future is funny to you? Wow! Your generation makes it hard to be a concerned citizen. Maybe all of us old fuckers should just stand back, shut out mouths, and sit back to watch and laugh when your time comes to receive your hard earned benefits?

Good citizens question their government, especially when it is such a big issue as welfare and SS. If you haven't noticed, this country is not currently in the best financial situation. The current government is adding 1.3 trillion to YOUR debt on a YEARLY basis. Don't you think it is about time that good citizens start asking a few questions?
Sure. This, however, is not a good question:

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Wow! Your generation makes it hard to be a concerned citizen. Maybe all of us old fuckers should just stand back, shut out mouths, and sit back to watch and laugh when your time comes to receive your hard earned benefits?
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