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Huntsman passes Paul in New Hampshire!
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hoosierinhogville Dec 20 2011, 12:05 PM Post #16
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No single national poll has Paul in the 5 to 7 % range.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

OF COURSE he isn't getting the nomination. But your opinion of candidates has from day one clouded your opinion of their chance to win, which is probably why you have said a ridiculous jump from one candidate to the next, in time saying how 'this candidate is going to win'. I think we are up to about eight different candidates getting the nomination at this point.
Paul has been a professional presidential candidate for many years. Here's his polling during the 2008 primary:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-192.html

Paul's isolationist view of foreign policy is very dangerous, IMO, and his anti-Fed rhetoric plays well with the truthers. I wouldn't say he's bat-shit crazy, but seeing him in action at a couple of debates has made it clear to me that he isn't fit for the top job in the land.
A: What does his poll numbers from 2008 have to do with anything.

B: I see that once again you aren't really going to address the issue, you are just gonna go with the standard talking points, which aren't even correct.
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What i find hilarious is that you seem to be so willing to take these other candidates at their word in terms of controlling the budget and reducing government (neither of which they will do BTW) yet you won't really listen to what Paul has to say with an open mind.
Do us all a favor and read Ron Paul's The Revolution - and try to do so with an open mind. You will actually find out what he really thinks about the important issues without media distortion. You will also see where he backs up much of what he is saying with FACTS and RESEARCH.
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What i find hilarious is that you seem to be so willing to take these other candidates at their word in terms of controlling the budget and reducing government (neither of which they will do BTW) yet you won't really listen to what Paul has to say with an open mind.
Do us all a favor and read Ron Paul's The Revolution - and try to do so with an open mind. You will actually find out what he really thinks about the important issues without media distortion. You will also see where he backs up much of what he is saying with FACTS and RESEARCH.
Ok, I'll read it. What I find sad is you guys think a single person with very little charisma and leadership skills is going to make any difference as President. If he manages to win the nomination, I'll probably hold my nose and vote for him.
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No single national poll has Paul in the 5 to 7 % range.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

OF COURSE he isn't getting the nomination. But your opinion of candidates has from day one clouded your opinion of their chance to win, which is probably why you have said a ridiculous jump from one candidate to the next, in time saying how 'this candidate is going to win'. I think we are up to about eight different candidates getting the nomination at this point.
Paul has been a professional presidential candidate for many years. Here's his polling during the 2008 primary:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-192.html

Paul's isolationist view of foreign policy is very dangerous, IMO, and his anti-Fed rhetoric plays well with the truthers. I wouldn't say he's bat-shit crazy, but seeing him in action at a couple of debates has made it clear to me that he isn't fit for the top job in the land.
Unless I'm mistaken, he's not trying to get elected in 2008. By your logic, Obama is a lock to win the presidency since he did so in 2008.
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No single national poll has Paul in the 5 to 7 % range.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

OF COURSE he isn't getting the nomination. But your opinion of candidates has from day one clouded your opinion of their chance to win, which is probably why you have said a ridiculous jump from one candidate to the next, in time saying how 'this candidate is going to win'. I think we are up to about eight different candidates getting the nomination at this point.
Paul has been a professional presidential candidate for many years. Here's his polling during the 2008 primary:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-192.html

Paul's isolationist view of foreign policy is very dangerous, IMO, and his anti-Fed rhetoric plays well with the truthers. I wouldn't say he's bat-shit crazy, but seeing him in action at a couple of debates has made it clear to me that he isn't fit for the top job in the land.
Unless I'm mistaken, he's not trying to get elected in 2008. By your logic, Obama is a lock to win the presidency since he did so in 2008.
By my logic, Paul is already a well known quantity. There are two major differences, he's four years older, and fiscal responsibility has become more of a priority. The latter may bump him up a bit, but his chance of getting the nomination is pretty low.
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No single national poll has Paul in the 5 to 7 % range.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

OF COURSE he isn't getting the nomination. But your opinion of candidates has from day one clouded your opinion of their chance to win, which is probably why you have said a ridiculous jump from one candidate to the next, in time saying how 'this candidate is going to win'. I think we are up to about eight different candidates getting the nomination at this point.
Paul has been a professional presidential candidate for many years. Here's his polling during the 2008 primary:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-192.html

Paul's isolationist view of foreign policy is very dangerous, IMO, and his anti-Fed rhetoric plays well with the truthers. I wouldn't say he's bat-shit crazy, but seeing him in action at a couple of debates has made it clear to me that he isn't fit for the top job in the land.
Unless I'm mistaken, he's not trying to get elected in 2008. By your logic, Obama is a lock to win the presidency since he did so in 2008.
By my logic, Paul is already a well known quantity. There are two major differences, he's four years older, and fiscal responsibility has become more of a priority. The latter may bump him up a bit, but his chance of getting the nomination is pretty low.
Who here on here has argued that he has a chance at the nomination? That would almost be as ludicrous as suggesting Huntsman did...well, not that bad.
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What i find hilarious is that you seem to be so willing to take these other candidates at their word in terms of controlling the budget and reducing government (neither of which they will do BTW) yet you won't really listen to what Paul has to say with an open mind.
Do us all a favor and read Ron Paul's The Revolution - and try to do so with an open mind. You will actually find out what he really thinks about the important issues without media distortion. You will also see where he backs up much of what he is saying with FACTS and RESEARCH.
Ok, I'll read it. What I find sad is you guys think a single person with very little charisma and leadership skills is going to make any difference as President. If he manages to win the nomination, I'll probably hold my nose and vote for him.
I never said he was going to be this tremendous force of change.
First, I highly, highly doubt he would win. Assuming he did though, even he doesn't think he could change Washington completely. He is not nearly the idealogue that people in the media make him out to be. He is very pragmatic. He knows his ideal version of the federal government wouldn't come about over night or even during his time as President. He simply wants to take steps to move in that direction.
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As far as the book goes Lars, I don't think you are going to come away from it thinking "wow I was totally wrong about this guy, I can't wait to vote for him." If you keep an open mind though and take the time to actually do some background reading on the things he talks about you will see that he is not the "crazy uncle Ron" that Republican elites would have you believe he is, that what he is saying -even if you disagree with some of it - is well-thought out and reasoned.
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I think Ron Paul's foreign policy is so bad it would outweigh any economic policy advantages he has compared to other candidates.

Gray, this does give him an advantage when discussing any foreign policy issue. He has one standard answer for all questions:

Interviewer: "What do you think about Obama's Libya policy?"
Paul: "Well, what vital US interests do we have in [CountryXYZ]? Take a look at Iraq, the neocons rushed to war, and we just need to bring all of our troops back to our country. *mumbling* abolish the federal reserve *mumbling*"

This kind of reminds me of how liberals compare every conflict to Vietnam...
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I think Ron Paul's foreign policy is so bad it would outweigh any economic policy advantages he has compared to other candidates.

Gray, this does give him an advantage when discussing any foreign policy issue. He has one standard answer for all questions:

Interviewer: "What do you think about Obama's Libya policy?"
Paul: "Well, what vital US interests do we have in [CountryXYZ]? Take a look at Iraq, the neocons rushed to war, and we just need to bring all of our troops back to our country. *mumbling* abolish the federal reserve *mumbling*"

This kind of reminds me of how liberals compare every conflict to Vietnam...
you might not have seen my previous comments about Paul's foreign policy, but let me ask you a question Lars....give me one reason that we would be more safe as a nation under the command of any other candidate.
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I think Ron Paul's foreign policy is so bad it would outweigh any economic policy advantages he has compared to other candidates.

Gray, this does give him an advantage when discussing any foreign policy issue. He has one standard answer for all questions:

Interviewer: "What do you think about Obama's Libya policy?"
Paul: "Well, what vital US interests do we have in [CountryXYZ]? Take a look at Iraq, the neocons rushed to war, and we just need to bring all of our troops back to our country. *mumbling* abolish the federal reserve *mumbling*"

This kind of reminds me of how liberals compare every conflict to Vietnam...
Your opinion of him has zero to do with his ability to compete or not compete in the primary. Everyone has pretty much stated that Paul has zero chance....yet you think everyone else is nuts because while you've had Bachmann, Cain, and Huntsman winning the nomination at different points in your rambling.
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I think Ron Paul's foreign policy is so bad it would outweigh any economic policy advantages he has compared to other candidates.

Gray, this does give him an advantage when discussing any foreign policy issue. He has one standard answer for all questions:

Interviewer: "What do you think about Obama's Libya policy?"
Paul: "Well, what vital US interests do we have in [CountryXYZ]? Take a look at Iraq, the neocons rushed to war, and we just need to bring all of our troops back to our country. *mumbling* abolish the federal reserve *mumbling*"

This kind of reminds me of how liberals compare every conflict to Vietnam...
Your opinion of him has zero to do with his ability to compete or not compete in the primary. Everyone has pretty much stated that Paul has zero chance....yet you think everyone else is nuts because while you've had Bachmann, Cain, and Huntsman winning the nomination at different points in your rambling.
I actually do think he has a chance....momentum is a weird thing, and as fed up as everyone is, the mainstream attack on him might actually work to his advantage....and you know damn well that if he builds serious momentum then Rush, Sean & Glenn will change their tune.
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I think Ron Paul's foreign policy is so bad it would outweigh any economic policy advantages he has compared to other candidates.

Gray, this does give him an advantage when discussing any foreign policy issue. He has one standard answer for all questions:

Interviewer: "What do you think about Obama's Libya policy?"
Paul: "Well, what vital US interests do we have in [CountryXYZ]? Take a look at Iraq, the neocons rushed to war, and we just need to bring all of our troops back to our country. *mumbling* abolish the federal reserve *mumbling*"

This kind of reminds me of how liberals compare every conflict to Vietnam...
Your opinion of him has zero to do with his ability to compete or not compete in the primary. Everyone has pretty much stated that Paul has zero chance....yet you think everyone else is nuts because while you've had Bachmann, Cain, and Huntsman winning the nomination at different points in your rambling.
I actually do think he has a chance....momentum is a weird thing, and as fed up as everyone is, the mainstream attack on him might actually work to his advantage....and you know damn well that if he builds serious momentum then Rush, Sean & Glenn will change their tune.
Not really....they never really got totally behind McCain. Ratings are infinitely more important to Rush and Beck than having a conservative president.

They certainly didn't flock behind McCain....guys who don't represent the republican establishment don't tend to get support from the Limbaughs, Becks, and Hannitys (Hannity to a lesser degree). McCain had spent a lot of time before the 2008 election NOT being in step with everything the GOP was trying to do and then spent his campaign trying to earn their support by pretending to be more right of center than he actually was...Paul also is not in line with all of the standard GOP party lines which is why you don't see the support from the GOP or republican talking heads.
[utube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG9RwQyn4L4[/utube]
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I think Ron Paul's foreign policy is so bad it would outweigh any economic policy advantages he has compared to other candidates.

Gray, this does give him an advantage when discussing any foreign policy issue. He has one standard answer for all questions:

Interviewer: "What do you think about Obama's Libya policy?"
Paul: "Well, what vital US interests do we have in [CountryXYZ]? Take a look at Iraq, the neocons rushed to war, and we just need to bring all of our troops back to our country. *mumbling* abolish the federal reserve *mumbling*"

This kind of reminds me of how liberals compare every conflict to Vietnam...
Your opinion of him has zero to do with his ability to compete or not compete in the primary. Everyone has pretty much stated that Paul has zero chance....yet you think everyone else is nuts because while you've had Bachmann, Cain, and Huntsman winning the nomination at different points in your rambling.
I actually do think he has a chance....momentum is a weird thing, and as fed up as everyone is, the mainstream attack on him might actually work to his advantage....and you know damn well that if he builds serious momentum then Rush, Sean & Glenn will change their tune.
Not really....they never really got totally behind McCain. Ratings are infinitely more important to Rush and Beck than having a conservative president.

They certainly didn't flock behind McCain....guys who don't represent the republican establishment don't tend to get support from the Limbaughs, Becks, and Hannitys (Hannity to a lesser degree). McCain had spent a lot of time before the 2008 election NOT being in step with everything the GOP was trying to do and then spent his campaign trying to earn their support by pretending to be more right of center than he actually was...Paul also is not in line with all of the standard GOP party lines which is why you don't see the support from the GOP or republican talking heads.
[utube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG9RwQyn4L4[/utube]
I never listen or watch Sean, and rarely Rush, but I hear Beck's radio show 2-3 times per week, and both he, and his fill-in are now saying that "Paul isn't my favorite candidate, and his foreign policy is terrible, but I will absolutely vote for him over Obama". That is a slight shift in direction, and I virtually guarantee that Rush is saying the same thing.
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What's really funny is Lars thinks that somehow, if elected, Ron Paul would/could totally bypass congress and totally change our foreign policy overnight....LOL!! WOW!! Is that really what you are worried about Lars?
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