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brumdog44 Dec 24 2011, 01:03 PM Post #1
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Will not be on ballot in Virginia...fell short of 10,000 signatures to put him on the ballot.

http://news.yahoo.com/gop-gingrich-perry-not-va-ballot-080644117.html
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Will not be on ballot in Virginia...fell short of 10,000 signatures to put him on the ballot.

http://news.yahoo.com/gop-gingrich-perry-not-va-ballot-080644117.html
that's a very big deal isn't it brum? I mean...I don't think I recall a time when that has ever happened to a legit candidate before.
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Will not be on ballot in Virginia...fell short of 10,000 signatures to put him on the ballot.

http://news.yahoo.com/gop-gingrich-perry-not-va-ballot-080644117.html
that's a very big deal isn't it brum? I mean...I don't think I recall a time when that has ever happened to a legit candidate before.
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Will not be on ballot in Virginia...fell short of 10,000 signatures to put him on the ballot.

http://news.yahoo.com/gop-gingrich-perry-not-va-ballot-080644117.html
that's a very big deal isn't it brum? I mean...I don't think I recall a time when that has ever happened to a legit candidate before.
What it underlines is the lack of coordination in team Newt and the difference between the lack of organization and money backing him. His strategy has been to go whole hog into Iowa and there is a very real possibility of him finishing third there -- and a huge change of not being first or second in Iowa or New Hampshire. His poll numbers -- which still might have him as the national leader still -- have been slipping and he's just starting to take the media and sound bite hits that he will have to take in the long run. He's made some recent comments that previously would have gotten him some attention and more support among some fringe elements, but they turn off the general public when they think you could end up being the man.

While bg wants to play this off as 'no big deal', it is a hit. Newt's campaign manager come out with: “Newt and I agreed that the analogy is December 1941,” Gingrich's campaign director Michael Krull said in a message posted on Facebook. “We have experienced an unexpected set-back, but we will re-group and re-focus with increased determination, commitment and positive action. Throughout the next months there will be ups and downs; there will be successes and failures; there will be easy victories and difficult days - but in the end we will stand victorious.”

And this is a state where Gingrich was leading in recent polls. That kind of statement tells exactly why Romney most likely will win the nomination -- he is a much more disciplined candidate with an infinitely more disciplined campaign. And Newt made a lot of important enemies within the brass of the GOP when he left politics.....don't expect to see them to throw him a rope to bail him out.
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Brum,

I realize it is a big deal. I was asking Mr Gray if he was being serious about it never happening before.

This is a primary trick that has been around for years. I don't recall this game ever being played in Virginia.

1996 Pat Buchanan had trouble in a couple states getting on the ballot. 2000 McCain had a hard time getting on the ballot in New York.

I guess Mittens is playing by those rules

This same practice is how Obama won his first race

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-05-29/politics/obamas.first.campaign_1_obama-campaign-barack-obama-chicago-politics?_s=PM:POLITICS


n his first race for office, seeking a state Senate seat on Chicago's gritty South Side in 1996, Obama effectively used election rules to eliminate his Democratic competition.

As a community organizer, he had helped register thousands of voters. But when it came time to run for office, he employed Chicago rules to invalidate the voting petition signatures of three of his challengers.

The move denied each of them, including incumbent Alice Palmer, a longtime Chicago activist, a place on the ballot. It cleared the way for Obama to run unopposed on the Democratic ticket in a heavily Democrat district.

"That was Chicago politics," said John Kass, a veteran Chicago Tribune columnist. "Knock out your opposition, challenge their petitions, destroy your enemy, right? It is how Barack Obama destroyed his enemies back in 1996 that conflicts with his message today. He may have gotten his start registering thousands of voters. But in that first race, he made sure voters had just one choice."
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You still didn't answer aaron's question...which was any serious candidate for president ever not gotten on to a ballot in a state. You gave a couple of instances with one not-so-serious and one serious candidate who 'had trouble' getting on ballots, not ones who did not get on ballots.

Anyway, it's not 'a game being played in Virginia'....it's very cut and dry. 10,000 signatures needed with at least 400 from each of the 11 districts. Forget about issues, Romney's campaign is a well-oiled machine compared to Gingrich's. Gingrich is nothing more than a benefactor of the Johny-come-lately title to the 'anyone but Romney' crown that Rick Perry and Herman Cain wore before. And he is a likely position to go the same way they did, just in a different manner. Rick Perry had no substance, Herman Cain had no knowledge, Gingrich has little funding and very few, 100% backers. He certainly doesn't have the endorsements of Romney and he used up his political capital long ago. And Gingrich's campaign falls very, very short in the category of organization. Last Monday the Gingrich campaign had said they were shooting for getting twice the number of signatures needed...yet on Thursday they didn't have enough. Serious mistake....if you want to mobilize supporters to push for signatures, you HAVE to let people believe the situation is desperate and needs action.

Romney has the best chance of beating Obama in the fall. The longer the primary goes on, the more it hurts him.
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BTW, this is how disorganized his team is: after failing to meet the number of signatures in Virginia, Gingrich's campaign's response was that they would launch a massive write in campaign in the state.

Problem: Virginia state law prohibits write-in votes in primary elections.
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You still didn't answer aaron's question...which was any serious candidate for president ever not gotten on to a ballot in a state. You gave a couple of instances with one not-so-serious and one serious candidate who 'had trouble' getting on ballots, not ones who did not get on ballots.

Anyway, it's not 'a game being played in Virginia'....it's very cut and dry. 10,000 signatures needed with at least 400 from each of the 11 districts. Forget about issues, Romney's campaign is a well-oiled machine compared to Gingrich's. Gingrich is nothing more than a benefactor of the Johny-come-lately title to the 'anyone but Romney' crown that Rick Perry and Herman Cain wore before. And he is a likely position to go the same way they did, just in a different manner. Rick Perry had no substance, Herman Cain had no knowledge, Gingrich has little funding and very few, 100% backers. He certainly doesn't have the endorsements of Romney and he used up his political capital long ago. And Gingrich's campaign falls very, very short in the category of organization. Last Monday the Gingrich campaign had said they were shooting for getting twice the number of signatures needed...yet on Thursday they didn't have enough. Serious mistake....if you want to mobilize supporters to push for signatures, you HAVE to let people believe the situation is desperate and needs action.

Romney has the best chance of beating Obama in the fall. The longer the primary goes on, the more it hurts him.
Brum,

Newt turned in the signatures. Someone (Romney) questioned them and they determined he did not have enough.

I am not a Newt guy.

I really dislike Romney
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Romney has the best chance of beating Obama in the fall. The longer the primary goes on, the more it hurts him.
Correction: Huntsman has the best chance, being a more conservative, more consistent (less flip-flopping) version of Romney. Romney has the second best chance, and will be difficult for Obama to beat.
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You still didn't answer aaron's question...which was any serious candidate for president ever not gotten on to a ballot in a state. You gave a couple of instances with one not-so-serious and one serious candidate who 'had trouble' getting on ballots, not ones who did not get on ballots.

Anyway, it's not 'a game being played in Virginia'....it's very cut and dry. 10,000 signatures needed with at least 400 from each of the 11 districts. Forget about issues, Romney's campaign is a well-oiled machine compared to Gingrich's. Gingrich is nothing more than a benefactor of the Johny-come-lately title to the 'anyone but Romney' crown that Rick Perry and Herman Cain wore before. And he is a likely position to go the same way they did, just in a different manner. Rick Perry had no substance, Herman Cain had no knowledge, Gingrich has little funding and very few, 100% backers. He certainly doesn't have the endorsements of Romney and he used up his political capital long ago. And Gingrich's campaign falls very, very short in the category of organization. Last Monday the Gingrich campaign had said they were shooting for getting twice the number of signatures needed...yet on Thursday they didn't have enough. Serious mistake....if you want to mobilize supporters to push for signatures, you HAVE to let people believe the situation is desperate and needs action.

Romney has the best chance of beating Obama in the fall. The longer the primary goes on, the more it hurts him.
Brum,

Newt turned in the signatures. Someone (Romney) questioned them and they determined he did not have enough.

I am not a Newt guy.

I really dislike Romney
"Someone (Romney) questioned them".

Seriously, get off your hate train long enough to examine the facts. Virginia requires 10,000 signatures and 400 from every one of their 11 districts. Romney didn't have to question a damn thing because the RPV examines the petitions, particularly ones are said to be under or close. Note that Gingrich -- whose campaign originally said that they had collected enough signatures -- has not once since the count HAS SAID THAT THEY HAD ENOUGH SIGNATURES. Ron Paul's campaign turned in over 12,000 and Romney's turned in over 15,0000...both with time to spare.

Virginia's rules are completely free of ambiguity. You want to point the finger at Romney for Gingrich's lack of organization and manpower? Seriously? No wonder you got duped by McCain/Palin so badly last time around.
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Romney has the best chance of beating Obama in the fall. The longer the primary goes on, the more it hurts him.
Correction: Huntsman has the best chance, being a more conservative, more consistent (less flip-flopping) version of Romney. Romney has the second best chance, and will be difficult for Obama to beat.
Huntsman is the second leading Mormon in the race....which means he might earn a negative voting percentage from the evangelical.
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Obama will crush Romney
I am very glad to see you say that based on your prediction history
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Obama would crush Bachman.
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