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BTown11 Dec 31 2011, 12:37 AM Post #16
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I have nothing against Bachman but anyone who thinks that she has any business running for President, including herself, needs a little therapy, imo.
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she is probably a nice person, even if she is in denial about her gay husband, but she clearly has no business running for president. if she had run in her "home state" of Minnesota she would have lost badly. I'm not sure if it's more possible for a politician to be more hated in their own territory..
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IUCOLTFAN Dec 31 2011, 09:11 AM Post #17
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I have nothing against Bachman but anyone who thinks that she has any business running for President, including herself, needs a little therapy, imo.
this.

she is probably a nice person, even if she is in denial about her gay husband, but she clearly has no business running for president. if she had run in her "home state" of Minnesota she would have lost badly. I'm not sure if it's more possible for a politician to be more hated in their own territory..
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As a Representative it is easy for Pence to say he supports ending the Fed. They all minus Paul play games with the Fed issue. Hence in 2010 when the Dems controlled the house. The audit the Fed bill had more co-sponsors than votes needed to pass it. They all knew Queen Nancy would never allow it to be voted on. 2011 when the Republicans controlled the house was it ever brought it up for a vote?

My point is these labels are silly because no two people have the same views on everything.
Didn't Paul get a provision added to the healthcare bill to audit the Fed? I'm pretty sure it is limited but I think he had a provision added somewhere.....it's a start. Hopefully people get a small glimpse of what is going on and a full audit will follow.......a man can dream ya know.
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wait...we still think Bachman's husband is gay because he used a gay voice in a comical manner? I guess Chris Rock and Adam Sandler are gay also.
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HoosierLars Jan 1 2012, 11:48 PM Post #20
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Brum,

I guess I really don't understand what a Neo-Con is. I just know that it is no me.
If you don't understand what it is, how do you know it is not you?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neoconservative

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: a former liberal espousing political conservatism
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: a conservative who advocates the assertive promotion of democracy and United States national interest in international affairs including through military means


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By those definitions, only two primary candidates are not neo-cons: Paul and Huntsman. Bachmann is wishy-washy in this area, but she said during the debates that we needed to stay in Pakistan and after saying in May that we needed to get out of Afghanistan, by June she said we needed to 'stay the course' and that we were 'making great progress there'.
If you hadn't flip-flopped on your Paul support, you would have been a former liberal voting for a conservative, clearly a "neo-con" using definition 1.
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Mr Gray Jan 2 2012, 09:09 AM Post #21
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Brum,

I guess I really don't understand what a Neo-Con is. I just know that it is no me.
If you don't understand what it is, how do you know it is not you?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neoconservative

Two definitions:
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: a former liberal espousing political conservatism
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: a conservative who advocates the assertive promotion of democracy and United States national interest in international affairs including through military means


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By those definitions, only two primary candidates are not neo-cons: Paul and Huntsman. Bachmann is wishy-washy in this area, but she said during the debates that we needed to stay in Pakistan and after saying in May that we needed to get out of Afghanistan, by June she said we needed to 'stay the course' and that we were 'making great progress there'.
If you hadn't flip-flopped on your Paul support, you would have been a former liberal voting for a conservative, clearly a "neo-con" using definition 1.
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brum flipp-flopped on Paul?
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brumdog44 Jan 2 2012, 09:57 AM Post #22
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I said that I wouldn't vote for him for president at this point, but still thought he was a very intelligent man who was right on most issues. In Lars' world, jumping in bed with every flavor of the day in a primary isn't flip-flopping, so I'm not too worried about his definition.

Anyway, what Lars doesn't understand because of his blind hatred for Paul is that Paul is a libertarian which, by nature, is NOT conservative on all (in fact, MANY) issues. Paul is an economic conservative with views that are mostly socially and militarily liberal.
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I said that I wouldn't vote for him for president at this point, but still thought he was a very intelligent man who was right on most issues. In Lars' world, jumping in bed with every flavor of the day in a primary isn't flip-flopping, so I'm not too worried about his definition.

Anyway, what Lars doesn't understand because of his blind hatred for Paul is that Paul is a libertarian which, by nature, is NOT conservative on all (in fact, MANY) issues. Paul is an economic conservative with views that are mostly socially and militarily liberal.
oh...I must have missed that. What is it that would prevent you from voting for him for President?
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What is it that would prevent you from voting for him for President?
1. He is unelectable
2. His Foreign Policy
3. I disagree with him on many issues
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What is it that would prevent you from voting for him for President?
1. He is unelectable
2. His Foreign Policy
3. I disagree with him on many issues
i love the paradox of not voting for someone because they are "unelectable"......it's like saying you can't win a basketball game because you can't win a basketball game.
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What is it that would prevent you from voting for him for President?
1. He is unelectable
2. His Foreign Policy
3. I disagree with him on many issues
i love the paradox of not voting for someone because they are "unelectable"......it's like saying you can't win a basketball game because you can't win a basketball game.
Perhaps BG is in primary mode. Otherwise yeah...
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I said that I wouldn't vote for him for president at this point, but still thought he was a very intelligent man who was right on most issues. In Lars' world, jumping in bed with every flavor of the day in a primary isn't flip-flopping, so I'm not too worried about his definition.

Anyway, what Lars doesn't understand because of his blind hatred for Paul is that Paul is a libertarian which, by nature, is NOT conservative on all (in fact, MANY) issues. Paul is an economic conservative with views that are mostly socially and militarily liberal.
oh...I must have missed that. What is it that would prevent you from voting for him for President?
I posted some of Paul's position from his own website, and Brum admitted he couldn't support him. It was pretty funny.

I was always amused by how Brum is clearly a big government guy, yet he claimed to support some guy who wants to eliminate many government cabinet level departments. LOL
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What is it that would prevent you from voting for him for President?
1. He is unelectable
2. His Foreign Policy
3. I disagree with him on many issues
i love the paradox of not voting for someone because they are "unelectable"......it's like saying you can't win a basketball game because you can't win a basketball game.
Perhaps BG is in primary mode. Otherwise yeah...
Chops, can you see yourself voting for Paul?
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What is it that would prevent you from voting for him for President?
1. He is unelectable
2. His Foreign Policy
3. I disagree with him on many issues
i love the paradox of not voting for someone because they are "unelectable"......it's like saying you can't win a basketball game because you can't win a basketball game.
Those reasons sure as hell aren't that I would give. The funny thing is that one of the main reasons I said that I couldn't support him was never mentioned by Lars (whom, BTW, should have truly been the one given the black and white label since everything to him is a prepackaged D or R issue). He believes that juries should act as tribunals and not only judge the case, but judge the law as well. I've seen some pretty damn ridiculous conclusions reached by juries who were supposed to be acting within the confines of the law -- can't imagine what we would see if they were told they did not have to. I also disagree with some of his positions in making things like pollution laws left up to individual states...I've yet to see the air in one state stay in that state.

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