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BoilerVision Jan 4 2012, 04:30 PM Post #16
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I'm interested in knowing what the 'Crean > Pitino' opinion(s) is/are based on.
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This isn't conclusive by any means, but here are the Pomeroy comparisons (final rankings) of each coach's team for the last five seasons.

2006-07: L'ville 12, Purdue 23, Marquette 38
2007-08: L'ville 6, Marquette 11, Purdue 23
2008-09: L'ville 4, Purdue 18, Indiana 212**
2009-10: Purdue 16, L'ville 43, Indiana 183
2010-11: Purdue 9, L'ville 14, Indiana 75

Avg final season ranking:

Pitino: 15.8
Painter: 17.8
Crean: 76.75

**-stricken from the record since Painter and Pitino's first seasons aren't reflected here.
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obatskii Jan 4 2012, 05:51 PM Post #18
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This isn't conclusive by any means, but here are the Pomeroy comparisons (final rankings) of each coach's team for the last five seasons.

2006-07: L'ville 12, Purdue 23, Marquette 38
2007-08: L'ville 6, Marquette 11, Purdue 23
2008-09: L'ville 4, Purdue 18, Indiana 212**
2009-10: Purdue 16, L'ville 43, Indiana 183
2010-11: Purdue 9, L'ville 14, Indiana 75

Avg final season ranking:

Pitino: 15.8
Painter: 17.8
Crean: 76.75

**-stricken from the record since Painter and Pitino's first seasons aren't reflected here.
You're not really using Crean's last 3 years to try and prove a point are you?

I'd say if they were both in their prime, Pitino would coach circles around Crean. However, Pitino is aging and is going to retire in 2017. If I had to pick a coach TODAY going forward, I would most certainly take Crean.

Also, I don't like what Slick Rick does in his personal life, and on the other hand, I think Crean seems to be as nice of a man as there is in the coaching profession. Like I said, if I had to pick a coach today, I would pick Crean hands down.
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BoilerVision Jan 4 2012, 06:33 PM Post #19
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You're not really using Crean's last 3 years to try and prove a point are you?

I'd say if they were both in their prime, Pitino would coach circles around Crean. However, Pitino is aging and is going to retire in 2017. If I had to pick a coach TODAY going forward, I would most certainly take Crean.

Also, I don't like what Slick Rick does in his personal life, and on the other hand, I think Crean seems to be as nice of a man as there is in the coaching profession. Like I said, if I had to pick a coach today, I would pick Crean hands down.
I'm not trying to prove any point. Just curious as to what makes Crean a better coach than Pitino right now, and also curious as to why IUCOLTFAN seems to think dcam is crazy for thinking Painter is a better fit for Purdue than Pitino.

I just used what I think is the best data available at this time to compare the three. It's recent material and it's not media-biased. But, as you said, there are variables regarding Crean that can't be factored in at this point.

I fully expect IU to finish, at the least, in the Pomeroy top 20 this season...which will change things. I wouldn't blame any IU fan for wanting Crean over Pitino...given their ages and ambitions. But I wouldn't agree that Crean, or for that matter Painter, is a better coach overall than Pitino at this time.

EDIT: I'm certainly not one to defend Pitino. I don't like his style of play, and never have (and I agree with dc that it wouldn't be well-received at Purdue). But in this discussion, I just kinda felt the need to.
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You're not really using Crean's last 3 years to try and prove a point are you?

I'd say if they were both in their prime, Pitino would coach circles around Crean. However, Pitino is aging and is going to retire in 2017. If I had to pick a coach TODAY going forward, I would most certainly take Crean.

Also, I don't like what Slick Rick does in his personal life, and on the other hand, I think Crean seems to be as nice of a man as there is in the coaching profession. Like I said, if I had to pick a coach today, I would pick Crean hands down.
I'm not trying to prove any point. Just curious as to what makes Crean a better coach than Pitino right now, and also curious as to why IUCOLTFAN seems to think dcam is crazy for thinking Painter is a better fit for Purdue than Pitino.

I just used what I think is the best data available at this time to compare the three. It's recent material and it's not media-biased. But, as you said, there are variables regarding Crean that can't be factored in at this point.

I fully expect IU to finish, at the least, in the Pomeroy top 20 this season...which will change things. I wouldn't blame any IU fan for wanting Crean over Pitino...given their ages and ambitions. But I wouldn't agree that Crean, or for that matter Painter, is a better coach overall than Pitino at this time.

EDIT: I'm certainly not one to defend Pitino. I don't like his style of play, and never have (and I agree with dc that it wouldn't be well-received at Purdue). But in this discussion, I just kinda felt the need to.
I see what you're saying, and I think we all agree that Pitino has proven in the past that he's the best coach out of the 3. I'm just saying that obviously the last 3 years makes Crean look much worse than he actually is.

The good thing for Purdue and IU fans is this; we each have the coach we want going forward, and we all think said coach can take us where we want to be, sans Evil.

I know DC has said it before, but it's worth repeating; Painter is a perfect fit at Purdue, and Crean is a perfect fit at IU.

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Yep. The last 3 years do indeed make Crean look worse than he is. I wasn't trying to bash Crean, and I'm glad the intent of my comparison was well-taken.

As a rival fan, I do have plenty of light-hearted shit to talk about Crean, but am saving that for the week of the IU-Purdue game :D
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Yep. The last 3 years do indeed make Crean look worse than he is. I wasn't trying to bash Crean, and I'm glad the intent of my comparison was well-taken.

As a rival fan, I do have plenty of light-hearted shit to talk about Crean, but am saving that for the week of the IU-Purdue game :D
I can't wait for that week. I'm happy that IU has made that game relevant again. It's been way too long.
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two things IU has over UL:

1. Our players aren't gimme-gimme types...

2. Our coach is better.

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Your coach is better?!?!?!
Yup. I honestly believe that.

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Wonder who cam would choose between having Painter or Pitino at Purdue?
At Purdue? Painter. I don't think Pitino would fit in at Purdue, but I think Pitino is a better coach at most places.
Of course you do. I guess there could be no way that Crean would be a better fit at IU than Pitino though.

So you agree that Painter is not a better coach than Pitino, just a better fit at Purdue?
Yes, I think Pitino is a better coach than Painter.

I also would take Crean over Painter at Indiana. And I'd take Pitino over Crean at Indiana.
Is that because you feel Pitino is a better coach than Crean and you are not an IU fan or because you actually think Pitino is a better fit at IU than Crean is? Please elaborate because other than the fact that Painter played/coached at Purdue, there would be no real rhyme or reason for you to feel that way. Knowing what we know now with Crean's recruiting ability I'm not so sure Pitino could possibly be any better of a fit at IU than Crean has proven to be. Most "great" coaches in the history of CBB have also had the luxury of getting pretty good talent, Crean is starting to do that at IU now. If Tom Crean had the luxury of having the talent that Pitino has had throughout most of his career would/could their coaching careers end up mirroring eachothers?? It's possible. Crean finally got his upgrade in talent with this Indiana job in kinda the same way Pitino did when he got to Kentucky.
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Crean doesn't fuck the ball boy's wife. Next.
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Crean is 45 years old and by the time Pitino was 45 he had been at Kentucky for 7 years, had 4 final fours and championship. I think he's a better coach than Crean. That said, if I were picking someone I'd want to represent Indiana University, I'd pick Crean. I love his focus on academics and how he always seems to take the time to do the little things (sign autographs, take pictures, or unlock Cook Hall so my wife and I could check it out). That's not to say Rick doesn't do all of this stuff, I just really have no idea. I know Crean does it, so I'm good with that.

Now, that said, if Crean bolts for the NBA in 3 years like Slick Rick did, I'd probably change my opinion. The impression I get is that, if it were up to Crean, this would be the last job he'll ever have. That has a big influence on me.
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Crean doesn't fuck the ball boy's wife. Next.
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Crean is 45 years old and by the time Pitino was 45 he had been at Kentucky for 7 years, had 4 final fours and championship. I think he's a better coach than Crean. That said, if I were picking someone I'd want to represent Indiana University, I'd pick Crean. I love his focus on academics and how he always seems to take the time to do the little things (sign autographs, take pictures, or unlock Cook Hall so my wife and I could check it out). That's not to say Rick doesn't do all of this stuff, I just really have no idea. I know Crean does it, so I'm good with that.

Now, that said, if Crean bolts for the NBA in 3 years like Slick Rick did, I'd probably change my opinion. The impression I get is that, if it were up to Crean, this would be the last job he'll ever have. That has a big influence on me.
Don't think Crean's personality really fits for the NBA. Maybe that's just me though.
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