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IU vs. Michigan; Game Thread
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BTown11 Jan 5 2012, 11:45 PM Post #301
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You'd think the last 3 years would have given some people perspective but instead the last 4 weeks have just made some greedier.

We just beat a top 15 team, without our sixth man, and moved to 14-1. What's done is done.

Oh,

WE WON!
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brumdog44 Jan 5 2012, 11:50 PM Post #302
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The Verdell haters always make me laugh.

Verdell, the real Hoosier fans love you and are glad you're on our team. Keep up the good work!
I don't exactly hate him, but he is like nails on chalkboard to me. He had 6 TO's against OSU and probably had at least that many tonight. Can't have that if we want to stay in the thick of things in the Big Ten and rankings.

Like nelsonjj said in his comment #1, most frustrating player, not hater.
He had 4 tonight....6 assists, 3 of 6 from the field, 2 of 4 from the line. He was very frustrating during the six minute stretch where he was mostly playing the point toward the end, but the truth is that he was doing so because Hulls simply was having all kinds of problems with Burke. It's not a good matchup for Hulls.

The key to the game defensively was giving Hardaway and Burke the outside...and they simply didn't trust the guys around them enough. Officially, Hardaway and Burke were 11 of 34 from the field (including 2 of 12 from the arc) and the rest of the team was 16 of 24 including 8 of 12 from the arc.
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You'd think the last 3 years would have given some people perspective but instead the last 4 weeks have just made some greedier.

We just beat a top 15 team, without our sixth man, and moved to 14-1. What's done is done.

Oh,

WE WON!
Not Greedy, we just want what we now know is possible! AND we understand that if we want to stay in the B1G race, we need to correct our mistakes and make adjustments... for instance... playing Jones at the end of a game and not Hulls? WHO on this board looks at that as a smart move? Im THRILLED we won but when you become complacent and satisfied with simply the record and pay no attention to mistakes being made, you end up repeating those mistakes sometime down the road and losing to teams that we should beat... Dare I mention Purdues game against PSU tonight as exhibit A?
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You'd think the last 3 years would have given some people perspective but instead the last 4 weeks have just made some greedier.

We just beat a top 15 team, without our sixth man, and moved to 14-1. What's done is done.

Oh,

WE WON!
Not Greedy, we just want what we now know is possible! AND we understand that if we want to stay in the B1G race, we need to correct our mistakes and make adjustments... for instance... playing Jones at the end of a game and not Hulls? WHO on this board looks at that as a smart move? Im THRILLED we won but when you become complacent and satisfied with simply the record and pay no attention to mistakes being made, you end up repeating those mistakes sometime down the road and losing to teams that we should beat... Dare I mention Purdues game against PSU tonight as exhibit A?
i see what you're saying, but V played good defensively on Burke. Hulls did not.
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...definitely a frustrating game...

...but...

...me happy...VERY HAPPY to be where we are...
"The possibilities of basketball as seen here were a revelation to me. Basketball may have been invented in Massachusetts, but it was made for Indiana."
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...definitely a frustrating game...

...but...

...me happy...VERY HAPPY to be where we are...
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You'd think the last 3 years would have given some people perspective but instead the last 4 weeks have just made some greedier.

We just beat a top 15 team, without our sixth man, and moved to 14-1. What's done is done.

Oh,

WE WON!
Amen, brother, amen!

First off, I doubt the box score lied about how many TOs he committed. In Verdell perfect? Hell no! But he's much better than the other options we currently have. He makes bad decisions, but he also makes a ton of big plays. When he does so, it seems to get dismissed, but when he fucks up, everyone and their mother wants to jump his ass. Honestly, that pisses me off. He's been here through thick and thin, and the amount of disrespect he gets is asinine.

And what about his defense this year? He has improved a ridiculous amount, yet no one wants to talk about that. Hulls' defense is just as bad as Verdell's TOs if not worse yet there's hardly a peep made about that.

We are 14-1 (already more wins than last year including 3 huge home wins), yet all some of you want to do is bag on our Senior leader for making some TOs. I have no problem with bringing it up, but to only bring up his negatives bothers me.

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You'd think the last 3 years would have given some people perspective but instead the last 4 weeks have just made some greedier.

We just beat a top 15 team, without our sixth man, and moved to 14-1. What's done is done.

Oh,

WE WON!
Not Greedy, we just want what we now know is possible! AND we understand that if we want to stay in the B1G race, we need to correct our mistakes and make adjustments... for instance... playing Jones at the end of a game and not Hulls? WHO on this board looks at that as a smart move? Im THRILLED we won but when you become complacent and satisfied with simply the record and pay no attention to mistakes being made, you end up repeating those mistakes sometime down the road and losing to teams that we should beat... Dare I mention Purdues game against PSU tonight as exhibit A?
i see what you're saying, but V played good defensively on Burke. Hulls did not.
+1. If Hulls was having an average offensive night, then you would be okay with the poor defense...but Burke was smothering him on defense. Hulls got up four shots all night and two were off balance floaters. He also wasn't able to shake Burke...3 points and 2 assists from Hulls in 29 minutes, and the 3 pointer was very early.
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Burke, BTW, has great ability but looked very much like a freshman tonight. Jones suckered him into a lot of outside shots tonight, I felt.
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You'd think the last 3 years would have given some people perspective but instead the last 4 weeks have just made some greedier.

We just beat a top 15 team, without our sixth man, and moved to 14-1. What's done is done.

Oh,

WE WON!
Not Greedy, we just want what we now know is possible! AND we understand that if we want to stay in the B1G race, we need to correct our mistakes and make adjustments... for instance... playing Jones at the end of a game and not Hulls? WHO on this board looks at that as a smart move? Im THRILLED we won but when you become complacent and satisfied with simply the record and pay no attention to mistakes being made, you end up repeating those mistakes sometime down the road and losing to teams that we should beat... Dare I mention Purdues game against PSU tonight as exhibit A?
i see what you're saying, but V played good defensively on Burke. Hulls did not.
+1. If Hulls was having an average offensive night, then you would be okay with the poor defense...but Burke was smothering him on defense. Hulls got up four shots all night and two were off balance floaters. He also wasn't able to shake Burke...3 points and 2 assists from Hulls in 29 minutes, and the 3 pointer was very early.
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For some of us young guns, this is some of the best IU basketball we've ever seen. And while tonight may not be the best example of the great basketball this season, I'll certainly take it over the shit I've endured in my lifetime. Go Hoosiers!
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I don't hate Verdell my any means, I just think tonight was not his night and Crean didn't seem to recognize when he was hurting us and needed to sit.
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You'd think the last 3 years would have given some people perspective but instead the last 4 weeks have just made some greedier.

We just beat a top 15 team, without our sixth man, and moved to 14-1. What's done is done.

Oh,

WE WON!
Amen, brother, amen!

First off, I doubt the box score lied about how many TOs he committed. In Verdell perfect? Hell no! But he's much better than the other options we currently have. He makes bad decisions, but he also makes a ton of big plays. When he does so, it seems to get dismissed, but when he fucks up, everyone and their mother wants to jump his ass. Honestly, that pisses me off. He's been here through thick and thin, and the amount of disrespect he gets is asinine.

And what about his defense this year? He has improved a ridiculous amount, yet no one wants to talk about that. Hulls' defense is just as bad as Verdell's TOs if not worse yet there's hardly a peep made about that.

We are 14-1 (already more wins than last year including 3 huge home wins), yet all some of you want to do is bag on our Senior leader for making some TOs. I have no problem with bringing it up, but to only bring up his negatives bothers me.

That is all.
not only the negative was brought up... I said, "He shoots the ball well"... SOMETIMES he's successful at creating a shot but really, if he spots up and shoots... he's best there... oh, and he sits on the bench well... That being said, Hulls is the leader... Not Jones. When you listen to the team talk about leadership, they'll talk about Hulls.

As far as TOs... they wont count bee line pass to Zeller under the basket when Zeller when it should have been a lob... that then counted as a TO to Zeller.. and Im only using that as an example...

and here through the thick and thin? appreciative? yes. Like him handling the ball? no If time spent on a team, even through the chaos we've been through, means you automatically get props as a good player and are no longer held accountable to making bad decisions during a game then there is something wrong with that philosophy.

When he makes a great play, I'll cheer him but the ratio of great plays to bad decisions is clearly in favor of his bad decisions. If we win the championship this year and Jones hits a Keith Smart jumper for the win, I'll praise his shot at that moment and be thrilled BUT that will not make him a great player. I will say this... if he hits a game winner for the NC, I will stop verbally beating him up. deal?
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It's not that I think Verdell is a great player (he's not a bad player either), I am defensive of him because he picked IU when it was not necessarily in his best interests to do so. He stuck with the program and has really grown a lot more than people have given him credit for. I think he's become a senior leader and a role model (on and off the court) and for that he'll forever hold a special place in my heart. To see the team he was on three years ago to now chokes me up just thinking about it.

But maybe that's because I was in college those years so I was more emotionally attached..
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