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IU vs Minny Game Thread
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obatskii Jan 13 2012, 01:29 PM Post #376
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If someone around me was booing I would have been tempted to kick them in the nuts. I noticed that last night and felt really bad for him, especially with all he's been through.

Nice article, thanks for sharing, Timmy.
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Captain Obvious checking in, these topics may have been addressed in this thread, I don't know, I haven't read through it. But I basically took two things from this game:

1.) Our defense was the absolute worst I've seen it all year.

2.) Minnesota flat out played a solid game of basketball for 40 minutes.

Just as with our success this year, it seems there has been at least someone that has stepped it up in the games that we've won. Other than Cody being solid in just about every outing, the wins that we have tallied usually come from a certain player stepping it up, and you never really knew where it was going to come from.

Which is a good thing.

But there is no excuse for our defense last night.
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If someone around me was booing I would have been tempted to kick them in the nuts. I noticed that last night and felt really bad for him, especially with all he's been through.

Nice article, thanks for sharing, Timmy.
It's fucking pitiful. Booing somebody that has represented you for the past four years, and has given his all. On top of that, is a class act from, and has never done anything wrong outside of basketball (from what we can tell.) WE DO NOT boo our own players. No matter the circumstance.
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Captain Obvious checking in, these topics may have been addressed in this thread, I don't know, I haven't read thought it. But I basically took two things from this game:

1.) Our defense was the absolute worst I've seen it all year.

2.) Minnesota flat out played a solid game of basketball for 40 minutes.

Just as with our success this year, it seems there has been at least someone that has stepped it up in the games that we've won. Other than Cody being solid in just about every outing, the wins that we have tallied usually come from a certain player stepping it up, and you never really knew where it was going to come from.

Which is a good thing.

But there is no excuse for our defense last night.
according to brum, it's a good thing that Minny handled the ball well and hit the offensive glass....otherwise they would have blown us out
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obatskii Jan 13 2012, 03:30 PM Post #380
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http://indiana.247sports.com/Article/What-We-Learned-Minnesota-56890
If someone around me was booing I would have been tempted to kick them in the nuts. I noticed that last night and felt really bad for him, especially with all he's been through.

Nice article, thanks for sharing, Timmy.
It's fucking pitiful. Booing somebody that has represented you for the past four years, and has given his all. On top of that, is a class act from, and has never done anything wrong outside of basketball (from what we can tell.) WE DO NOT boo our own players. No matter the circumstance.
I'm with you all the way man. I have no problem with criticism, and let's be honest, Verdell's far from perfect. However, the vile demeanor some people have when criticizing him is incredulous. We go from Sampson's cesspool of players to Verdell, and you'd think he was cut from the same fabric.

I just feel bad that someone who has represented our university so well during the last 4 years has to put up with fans like that.

If you're reading this board, Verdell, just remember some of us have always had your back, and we always will. You're a Hoosier in my book.
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brumdog44 Jan 13 2012, 04:37 PM Post #381
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We are bitching about officials and have a 21-6 advantage from the line.
Referees definitely favored us last night. A couple horrible, horrible calls went in our favor. Elston took a charge while being CLEARLY in the restricted area and Verdell threw the ball off of Minny out of bounds but he had already knocked the ball out. Those were both plain as day.

Some of OHB would bitch about the referees if they were the SI Swimsuit team....
It's typical to do so during a game thread. I bitched plenty about them, but as I said, when it's not the heat of the actual game, it's a little easier to put it in perspective. There are usually only a couple of games per year that I am thinking about the refs the next day, and yesterday wasn't one of them. In reality, I can't think of any games this year where I thought refs came off as extremely biased...incompetent on a couple of occasions, but not that influential.
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Captain Obvious checking in, these topics may have been addressed in this thread, I don't know, I haven't read thought it. But I basically took two things from this game:

1.) Our defense was the absolute worst I've seen it all year.

2.) Minnesota flat out played a solid game of basketball for 40 minutes.

Just as with our success this year, it seems there has been at least someone that has stepped it up in the games that we've won. Other than Cody being solid in just about every outing, the wins that we have tallied usually come from a certain player stepping it up, and you never really knew where it was going to come from.

Which is a good thing.

But there is no excuse for our defense last night.
according to brum, it's a good thing that Minny handled the ball well and hit the offensive glass....otherwise they would have blown us out
Reading comprehension is a skill. You stated that offensive rebounding and turnovers lead to good things -- which I agree with, obviously -- but pointed out that it didn't work for Purdue last night. You then tried to rationalize it by saying that 'they played a close game with a team better than them'.....in a game in which Purdue was favored.
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We shot like shit and played very poor defense. Minnesota deserved to win the game. They hit shots when they needed to and crashed the boards. Hopefully our young team bounces back well......we'll see.
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Verdell shouldn't be getting booed, that is some bullshit. He's been through a lot for us.

He just doesn't need to be in there in clutch moments because he's proven to us time and time again that he will turn the ball over a lot when we don't need him too. Remy had a bad turnover himself, but I'll take his 1 or 2 freshman mistakes over Verdells 5 or 6 boneheaded senior plays.
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Read through this thread...

Dedicated complained about how much Verdell sucks. In other news, Obama is the president, Carrie Underwood is pretty, and cake tastes good. :D

Also, if you're out there DC, and you honestly think all Cody does is dunk in transition or get layups from others' hard work, I hope you watched the game last night.
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If someone around me was booing I would have been tempted to kick them in the nuts. I noticed that last night and felt really bad for him, especially with all he's been through.

Nice article, thanks for sharing, Timmy.
The guy is getting booed because he is making the same mistakes he has as a freshman. As a senior, you should be making almost perfect decisions. Like it or not, this was the expectations under coach Knight which still remains with the fans today. That is why he is getting booed. Call it the Bob Knight syndrome. Guilty or not/like it or not, we expect perfection from our upperclassmen.

I wouldn't do it myself because no player, even Sean Kline, doesn't deserve it. But that guy needs to step up his game because he is a 4 year starter and a SENIOR and quit making freshman mistakes. See above comments about upperclassmen.
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Captain Obvious checking in, these topics may have been addressed in this thread, I don't know, I haven't read thought it. But I basically took two things from this game:

1.) Our defense was the absolute worst I've seen it all year.

2.) Minnesota flat out played a solid game of basketball for 40 minutes.

Just as with our success this year, it seems there has been at least someone that has stepped it up in the games that we've won. Other than Cody being solid in just about every outing, the wins that we have tallied usually come from a certain player stepping it up, and you never really knew where it was going to come from.

Which is a good thing.

But there is no excuse for our defense last night.
according to brum, it's a good thing that Minny handled the ball well and hit the offensive glass....otherwise they would have blown us out
Reading comprehension is a skill. You stated that offensive rebounding and turnovers lead to good things -- which I agree with, obviously -- but pointed out that it didn't work for Purdue last night. You then tried to rationalize it by saying that 'they played a close game with a team better than them'.....in a game in which Purdue was favored.
you responded to my comment about offensive boards and not turning the ball over, by trying to refute it.....don't try to back track and act like you were agreeing with it.
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Like it or not, this was the expectations under coach Knight which still remains with the fans today.
With SOME fans...definitely not all fans.


Back on topic, you know Verdell is trying his hardest to improve. Maybe he will, maybe he won't, but there's no reason to completely bag on a kid that is doing everything he can to improve. Be mad at Crean for playing him (after all, he's a highly paid adult), but don't knock a kid that's done everything right for 4 years in terms of effort.

That's really all I ask. You're free to do whatever you want, but remember; he is in college and he's proven he's a hard-worker.
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Like it or not, this was the expectations under coach Knight which still remains with the fans today.
With SOME fans...definitely not all fans.


Back on topic, you know Verdell is trying his hardest to improve. Maybe he will, maybe he won't, but there's no reason to completely bag on a kid that is doing everything he can to improve. Be mad at Crean for playing him (after all, he's a highly paid adult), but don't knock a kid that's done everything right for 4 years in terms of effort.

That's really all I ask. You're free to do whatever you want, but remember; he is in college and he's proven he's a hard-worker.
There is more to basketball than just putting up shots. I didn't see any video of him working to dribbling, court awareness, or even defensive drills. It doesn't impress me that he was caught on video shooting shots. It is the other parts of his game that is lacking the most. He even shot extra free throws after one game (I believe it was OSU) but he still continues to miss them.

The guy is like nails on chaldboard and, you are right, Crean is to blame.

Here is part of an article from Yahoo that states alot:

"Senior Verdell Jones III continues to make IU fans crazy. Although he has improved on the defensive end this season, he still has been a bit selfish with the ball and has made some critical mistakes in games. In his last two games, Jones has recorded 12 assists, but he has turned the ball over seven times and has passed up a number of opportunities to share the ball with his teammates.


Jones has the experience to be a leader, but his play on the court has been so uneven that he hasn’t been able to embrace that leadership role. IU needs Jones to play with patience and not force things that aren’t there to avoid a step back in the next few weeks."

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He did shooting AND BALL HANDLING drills after the loss last night.
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