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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 13 2012, 04:57 PM (293 Views) | |
| brumdog44 | Jan 13 2012, 04:57 PM Post #1 |
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Haven't felt this bad after a loss in a long time. Probably a good statement about our program...the losses we had the previous year's kind of made us numb to losing. That said, I fully expect us to lose at OSU and be 3-3 in the conference after it. If that's the case, IMO the game at Nebraska actually becomes big as it either could continue the slide or change the momentum. |
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| IUGrad2003 | Jan 13 2012, 04:59 PM Post #2 |
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IMO, after last night's loss, there is only 1 thing to do: Beat OSU!!! :goiu: |
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| Jazen | Jan 13 2012, 05:08 PM Post #3 |
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To be quite honest, I really didn't think this game was a lock for us. Not sure why, even. But when I saw how early they were successfully driving the lane and shutting down our three point shooters, I pretty much figured it was going to be a battle to grind out the W. In fact, I told my wife earlier in the day we had our hands full (mainly due to matchups down low), and I wasn't so sure we would pull it off. Zeller can do a lot of things, but you'd be hard pressed to find any single player that can out rebound 3 other defenders that are pounding the glass on their offensive end. I haven't looked at the stats, but it seemed like Minny filled the lane on every one of their possessions. I'm not trying to use hindsight to validate this post, just being honest. That said, although each and every loss hurts, this one didn't linger with me even as bad as some (what little there were) of last year's close losses were. We're not going to win every game, let's just hope something comes of this and we improve on what we need to going forward. |
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| tAmazingHoosier | Jan 13 2012, 05:49 PM Post #4 |
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Yeah I feel like shit today too Brum. First thing I thought of when I woke up. I had a feeling in the first half when Minny was looking confident as hell that they were going to win it. They deserved to win it in all honesty. We weren't getting great looks, but it seemed like EVERY time on offense Minny would get WIDE open looks (they had awesome ball movement against us) or else they were making damn tip plays right at the rim. Christian only having 1 or 2 rebounds is UNACCEPTABLE. You're 6'9" man, and very versatile. The fact he went 1-7 in the field just urks me. TAKE THE BALL INSIDE CHRISTIAN! Post Up. He kinda reminded me of Bracy lastnight. I guess everyone has an off game... but idk why in the hell he was the one chucking up the 3 at the end trying to win it when at the time he was 1-6 from the field and ice cold. Let Jordy, Matt, or Will take the damn shot. They were obviously having better games than him. That just pissed me off some. I can expect an off game from time to time, but damn... assert yourself big boy! |
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| tAmazingHoosier | Jan 13 2012, 05:53 PM Post #5 |
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And seriously, get the fuck off the Verdell Jones bandwagon. Seriously, we've given him AMPLE shots in the clutch and he seriously throws the ball out of bounds at least 3 or 4 times a fucking game. You're a senior man. You shouldn't be making those dumbass plays. I'd rather have Remy in during crunch time. Seems like he wants it more and gets it a little more even as a freshman than Verdell. He is costing us games. And if you disagree, you need to take those homer shades off. He needs like 8-10 LESS minutes a game. Sheehey needs to be on the court more. Remy is a great rebounder and defender, and has shown he's not afraid to take a shot. Give him some PT, it will help us more in the future rather than having our senior blow fucking games. Seriously, take away a couple of his dumbass turnovers and we might be singing a different tune today. |
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| panchen_lama | Jan 13 2012, 06:17 PM Post #6 |
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tough loss. yes. and i do think we're the better team, but that doesn't always translate into wins. the big 10 is tough, i'm really not sure i can point to a game where i go in feeling uber confident...maybe penn st. at home, but that's about it. couple other responses: 1) regarding watford, not entirely convinced he was feeling secure after rolling his ankle early on. prior to that he did have a nice up and under in the lane for a strong bucket. not trying to make excuses, but seemed a different player the rest atitthe night after that. 2) compounded with watford being possible a bit gimpy, sheehey just wasn't ready to play the 30 minutes that we would have wanted last nite. bad luck with those two ankles... 3) i'd give the same 5 another run-out in the starting rotation at osu. however, liked that crean mixed it up after halftime against minny. sure, it didn't work out the way we would have liked, but liked his willingness to make a statement. 4) psu game prior to this could not have helped in preparation. from hypr ball to a big 10 game is a big swing in mindset. now, for an almost completely useless use of time...how 'bout a player power ranking for the hoosiers: 1. cody 2. hulls 3. watford 4. sheehey 5. roth 6. remy 7. VO 8. VJIII 9. pritch 10. elston 11. austin |
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| dreachon | Jan 13 2012, 06:20 PM Post #7 |
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I don't feel so bad after the loss. I mean it was bound to happen. Who honestly thought we'd make it the entire season without one bad loss? Fact is, I feel pretty encouraged when I look at how poorly VO has been. This kid has game and I can't imagine his poor D is going to continue. When he steps it up again, I think the whole team's D will improve and we'll get back to where we were earlier in the year. |
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| tAmazingHoosier | Jan 13 2012, 06:29 PM Post #8 |
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Pass what you're smoking. VO is our best defender, hands down. Sophomores are allowed to have "off" games. It wasn't our underclassmen that lost us the game, it was definitely our veterans. 1-2 rebounds from Chirstian, unacceptable. 1-7 from the field, we can't have that. Get to the line. Get in the post. Grab some fucking rebounds. Verdell... I did not like the booing lastnight... but how do you not get better every game and as a senior make dumbass freshman mistakes? I agree that he is a big part of the team, but good God, put Remy in or even AE in clutch situations. Dribbling with your head down, looking totally lost on defense, and not slashing to the basket at ALL are unacceptable from him. Idk how you take last nights lost and try to pin it on Victor. He made some very good hustle plays for us... and in the first half, he looked like the only player in an IU uniform that actually WANTED to win. So don't feed us with this "how poorly VO has been" bullshit when it's your boy Jones and the upperclassmen that are losing us games in crunchtime. Pritchard? Worthless. 100%. Put Elston in there. Hell, put Jeff Howard in there. That pussy little foul where Minny got the "and one" just infuriated the shit out of me. He looked like a pansy. Nothing more, nothing less. Grow some balls. |
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| brumdog44 | Jan 13 2012, 06:43 PM Post #9 |
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Now we're calling for Austin Etherington in clutch situations? The most popular guy in a loss is the one that didn't play. |
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| tAmazingHoosier | Jan 13 2012, 06:48 PM Post #10 |
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I'd rather have him in there (much lower T.O. rating in his sample pool of minutes) than Verdell. How many times do we have to shoot ourselves in the foot with him in clutch situations until we make a damn change? Seriously. This is deja-vu. Put his ass on the bench. YES, he DOES want to win. But the fact that he runs PG and looks to PASS the ball like 2nd or 3rd in his brain is beyond me. He gets his SG and PG rolls mixed up. Bottom line: As a Senior, you SHOULD NOT make as many dumbass decisions as he has. Literally shoots us in the foot. Puts us in a bad spot nearly every damn game. Even blow out games... the reason the teams stay in it as much as they do is because we'll either A.) Throw the ball directly into the defenders hands or B.) Throw the pass out of bounds. It's really disturbing that as a senior, he lets the moment get to him. He overracts STILL. This is a big red flag to me. Him and Pritchard gave us nothing last night. As the lone seniors.... come the fuck on. Assert yourselves SOMEHOW. It's not that hard to drive to the basket, or rebound, or defend your man when you're only playing 10 mins ago (Pritch). Just disgusted with our upperclassmen play. |
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| panchen_lama | Jan 13 2012, 06:49 PM Post #11 |
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when we got the ball with about 15 seconds left and down 3 i was calling for us to drive to the rim for the (hopefully) gifted 2 points (minny was playing way high). minny was also out of timeouts and did not look confident when pressed in the backcourt. figure we could have scored with 7 or 8 seconds left, cut it to one and gone for the quick steal and then still have time for the last go around of fouling and desperate heave if need be. don't know...suppose it's all hindsight now... |
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| Jazen | Jan 13 2012, 06:50 PM Post #12 |
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And who honestly thought we'd even sniff the Top 25 this year? I sure as hell didn't, let alone think we wouldn't have a few games where a few guys wouldn't perform to their level. There's really nothing abnormal about it, the B1G is a tough ass conference, and losses are going to come at home and on the road. Preferably on the road for the most part, but there will be no team in this conference without a few losses this year. Michigan State will fall eventually, and I'm betting it will be at the hands of Indiana in Bloomington. I hate losing as much as any hardcore fan, but it's what you learn/take from it that ultimately counts, especially for a team that has, maybe one, legit senior on the floor that's logging in minutes. I'm pretty damn happy being 15-2 to this point, and having beaten a #1, #2, and #13 teams in the country already. Looking at the big picture, getting into the tournament this year will be a major success.. ..next year is going to be downright nasty. Edited by Jazen, Jan 13 2012, 06:51 PM.
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| dreachon | Jan 13 2012, 06:51 PM Post #13 |
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You have some serious blinders. VO has been getting burnt for the last 2 games. Not just 1 or 2 times. Repeatedly. In fact, he was so bad last night that when we were making our run, Abell was in the game and VO was on the bench. I keep bringing his poor performance up because the fact is that our defense is only as good as he is. When he is locking down the opposing team's best player, he's gold. Our whole entire defense is improved. We need him to be good to give the rest of our guys a chance. He's been terrible the last 2 games and hence we've been terrible. As for Verdell, he was shit last night. I'm not about to deny that. And Watford was off as well, for sure. But I'm not sure how anyone watching the last 2 games could not see how bad VO's defense has been. |
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| tAmazingHoosier | Jan 13 2012, 07:11 PM Post #14 |
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Idk he's only had like 25 deflections and 4 steals the past 2 games. Terrible defense Victor. I guess you missed the whole first half where he was the only one trying to be assertive and get everyone goin. I saw the fight in his eyes last night and not in many other players faces, IMO. His "lack of defense" isn't costing us games. Our rebounding, turnovers, and TEAM defense is. Not Victor's defense. You do realize that we put him on the other teams best player, right? Usually, a smaller, quicker, little PG. Yeah, he's going to take his burns, but look on the flip-side. He, Zeller, and Will are about the only 3 players on the team that know how to steal the ball. He still rebounds. He had about 3 different times last night where he was WIDE OPEN around the basket and our PG's just missed him. That's not HIS fault. He's playing hard, if you can't tell when the camera pans to him and seeing him gassed for air each and every game. It's not because his effort isn't there. Even when Victor does have a "bad" defensive game, his "bad" defensive games are 5 times better than any of Verdells defensive performances. How do you have like 50% court awareness as a senior? Blows me away. |
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| dreachon | Jan 13 2012, 09:03 PM Post #15 |
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Dude you need to actually read what I write before not thinking through your response. I didn't say anything about his rebounding, "fire" or finishing ability. He's a good rebounder for a guard and very good at finishing around the basket. He certainly always wants to win. But that doesn't mean I can't take an objective look and easily see he's been getting torched recently. 25 deflections? Where'd you get that stat? Somewhere other than your ass I hope. And if you meant 2 steals instead of 4, then maybe you'd be right. Also, I don't know how many times I have to say that our team defense hinges on VOs defense. He is our Darelle Revis. When Revis has a bad day, the Jets have a bad day. That's cuz he's on an island and if he gets beat bad, it's a big time play. Same with VO. When he gets beat, it's an uncontested layup. This doesn't mean he's a bad player. I'm not saying he's terrible and I don't like him. On the contrary, I'm saying he's an extremely important player. Watford has had bad games. We've been fine. Hulls plays poorly? We've been fine. VJIII? No problem. But when Vic is giving up easy layups all game long, it's much more difficult for the team to make up for that. Vic has shut down much better players than what he's faced the last 2 games. He needs to step it back up for us to be successful. Plain and simple. |
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