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Candidate most likely to defeat Obama
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HoosierLars Jan 31 2012, 01:21 AM Post #61
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Not real clear where he actually stands on healthcare or immigration. That being said, I'm not that impressed with any of them.
1) Repeal Obama-care
2) If you immigrated illegally, get at the back of the line
Are those etched in concrete somewhere? Seems to me that he thought mandated healthcare was a great idea in Massachusetts. Not real sure why he changed his mind and really not sure if I'd believe the answer that he would give if I asked. If you believe half the shit these guys are saying on stage you are a fool.
The citizens of Mass wanted a state run health care system, and as their governor, his job was to help come up with the best possible system. There's a huge difference between state and federal mandates. If the latter is an epic fail, it's very difficult to roll back.
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Not real clear where he actually stands on healthcare or immigration. That being said, I'm not that impressed with any of them.
1) Repeal Obama-care
2) If you immigrated illegally, get at the back of the line
Are those etched in concrete somewhere? Seems to me that he thought mandated healthcare was a great idea in Massachusetts. Not real sure why he changed his mind and really not sure if I'd believe the answer that he would give if I asked. If you believe half the shit these guys are saying on stage you are a fool.
The citizens of Mass wanted a state run health care system, and as their governor, his job was to help come up with the best possible system. There's a huge difference between state and federal mandates. If the latter is an epic fail, it's very difficult to roll back.
Lars, whether or not the citizens wanted it is irrelevent....the collective "citizens" of Mass aren't running the President, and the fact that Romney supported it tells me that he is open to socialist policies, and that concerns me. If he didn't want it, he should have told them that and lost the election, but instead he either pandered to votes, or simply likes the concept of social healthcare.
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Not real clear where he actually stands on healthcare or immigration. That being said, I'm not that impressed with any of them.
1) Repeal Obama-care
2) If you immigrated illegally, get at the back of the line
Are those etched in concrete somewhere? Seems to me that he thought mandated healthcare was a great idea in Massachusetts. Not real sure why he changed his mind and really not sure if I'd believe the answer that he would give if I asked. If you believe half the shit these guys are saying on stage you are a fool.
The citizens of Mass wanted a state run health care system, and as their governor, his job was to help come up with the best possible system. There's a huge difference between state and federal mandates. If the latter is an epic fail, it's very difficult to roll back.
Lars, whether or not the citizens wanted it is irrelevent....the collective "citizens" of Mass aren't running the President, and the fact that Romney supported it tells me that he is open to socialist policies, and that concerns me. If he didn't want it, he should have told them that and lost the election, but instead he either pandered to votes, or simply likes the concept of social healthcare.
I would love to know the HUGE difference between and State or Federal mandate.....obviously you can leave a State with a mandate but is that really that realistic for most Americans?

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Not real clear where he actually stands on healthcare or immigration. That being said, I'm not that impressed with any of them.
1) Repeal Obama-care
2) If you immigrated illegally, get at the back of the line
Are those etched in concrete somewhere? Seems to me that he thought mandated healthcare was a great idea in Massachusetts. Not real sure why he changed his mind and really not sure if I'd believe the answer that he would give if I asked. If you believe half the shit these guys are saying on stage you are a fool.
The citizens of Mass wanted a state run health care system, and as their governor, his job was to help come up with the best possible system. There's a huge difference between state and federal mandates. If the latter is an epic fail, it's very difficult to roll back.
Lars, whether or not the citizens wanted it is irrelevent....the collective "citizens" of Mass aren't running the President, and the fact that Romney supported it tells me that he is open to socialist policies, and that concerns me. If he didn't want it, he should have told them that and lost the election, but instead he either pandered to votes, or simply likes the concept of social healthcare.
I would love to know the HUGE difference between and State or Federal mandate.....obviously you can leave a State with a mandate but is that really that realistic for most Americans?

The difference between state and federal mandates is it provides Lars with an escape clause to support one of the seven dwarvess he's pulled for (so far).
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Not real clear where he actually stands on healthcare or immigration. That being said, I'm not that impressed with any of them.
1) Repeal Obama-care
2) If you immigrated illegally, get at the back of the line
Are those etched in concrete somewhere? Seems to me that he thought mandated healthcare was a great idea in Massachusetts. Not real sure why he changed his mind and really not sure if I'd believe the answer that he would give if I asked. If you believe half the shit these guys are saying on stage you are a fool.
The citizens of Mass wanted a state run health care system, and as their governor, his job was to help come up with the best possible system. There's a huge difference between state and federal mandates. If the latter is an epic fail, it's very difficult to roll back.
Lars, whether or not the citizens wanted it is irrelevent....the collective "citizens" of Mass aren't running the President, and the fact that Romney supported it tells me that he is open to socialist policies, and that concerns me. If he didn't want it, he should have told them that and lost the election, but instead he either pandered to votes, or simply likes the concept of social healthcare.
I would love to know the HUGE difference between and State or Federal mandate.....obviously you can leave a State with a mandate but is that really that realistic for most Americans?

The difference between state and federal mandates is it provides Lars with an escape clause to support one of the seven dwarvess he's pulled for (so far).
I know you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, but our system was designed to give states much autonomy, and they can try things out. If a program is successful it will be copied by others. If not, you haven't committed almost 20% of the nations economy to an untried plan.
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Not real clear where he actually stands on healthcare or immigration. That being said, I'm not that impressed with any of them.
1) Repeal Obama-care
2) If you immigrated illegally, get at the back of the line
Are those etched in concrete somewhere? Seems to me that he thought mandated healthcare was a great idea in Massachusetts. Not real sure why he changed his mind and really not sure if I'd believe the answer that he would give if I asked. If you believe half the shit these guys are saying on stage you are a fool.
The citizens of Mass wanted a state run health care system, and as their governor, his job was to help come up with the best possible system. There's a huge difference between state and federal mandates. If the latter is an epic fail, it's very difficult to roll back.
Lars, whether or not the citizens wanted it is irrelevent....the collective "citizens" of Mass aren't running the President, and the fact that Romney supported it tells me that he is open to socialist policies, and that concerns me. If he didn't want it, he should have told them that and lost the election, but instead he either pandered to votes, or simply likes the concept of social healthcare.
I would love to know the HUGE difference between and State or Federal mandate.....obviously you can leave a State with a mandate but is that really that realistic for most Americans?

it's not realistic for many to up and leave every state that passes unfavorable legislation, however one major difference is that it is much easier for a state to correct a mistake than the Federal Government, because you are simply dealing with a much smaller number of people...etc.
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Not real clear where he actually stands on healthcare or immigration. That being said, I'm not that impressed with any of them.
1) Repeal Obama-care
2) If you immigrated illegally, get at the back of the line
Are those etched in concrete somewhere? Seems to me that he thought mandated healthcare was a great idea in Massachusetts. Not real sure why he changed his mind and really not sure if I'd believe the answer that he would give if I asked. If you believe half the shit these guys are saying on stage you are a fool.
The citizens of Mass wanted a state run health care system, and as their governor, his job was to help come up with the best possible system. There's a huge difference between state and federal mandates. If the latter is an epic fail, it's very difficult to roll back.
Lars, whether or not the citizens wanted it is irrelevent....the collective "citizens" of Mass aren't running the President, and the fact that Romney supported it tells me that he is open to socialist policies, and that concerns me. If he didn't want it, he should have told them that and lost the election, but instead he either pandered to votes, or simply likes the concept of social healthcare.
I would love to know the HUGE difference between and State or Federal mandate.....obviously you can leave a State with a mandate but is that really that realistic for most Americans?

it's not realistic for many to up and leave every state that passes unfavorable legislation, however one major difference is that it is much easier for a state to correct a mistake than the Federal Government, because you are simply dealing with a much smaller number of people...etc.
I understand that, but from a constitutional standpoint if the mandate for Obamacare is proved to be unconstitutional then I would think the Massachusetts mandate is also, right? A state should not have the power to mandate something just as the federal goverment shouldnt. If it is found to be constitutional then go for it.
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Not real clear where he actually stands on healthcare or immigration. That being said, I'm not that impressed with any of them.
1) Repeal Obama-care
2) If you immigrated illegally, get at the back of the line
Are those etched in concrete somewhere? Seems to me that he thought mandated healthcare was a great idea in Massachusetts. Not real sure why he changed his mind and really not sure if I'd believe the answer that he would give if I asked. If you believe half the shit these guys are saying on stage you are a fool.
The citizens of Mass wanted a state run health care system, and as their governor, his job was to help come up with the best possible system. There's a huge difference between state and federal mandates. If the latter is an epic fail, it's very difficult to roll back.
Lars, whether or not the citizens wanted it is irrelevent....the collective "citizens" of Mass aren't running the President, and the fact that Romney supported it tells me that he is open to socialist policies, and that concerns me. If he didn't want it, he should have told them that and lost the election, but instead he either pandered to votes, or simply likes the concept of social healthcare.
I would love to know the HUGE difference between and State or Federal mandate.....obviously you can leave a State with a mandate but is that really that realistic for most Americans?

The difference between state and federal mandates is it provides Lars with an escape clause to support one of the seven dwarvess he's pulled for (so far).
I know you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, but our system was designed to give states much autonomy, and they can try things out. If a program is successful it will be copied by others. If not, you haven't committed almost 20% of the nations economy to an untried plan.
So a state government can mandate you to buy something the the federal government cant? Yeah, that makes sense...
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So a state government can mandate you to buy something the the federal government cant? Yeah, that makes sense...
Good, glad you agree. The state mandate to buy car insurance seems to have been accepted, but I don't know the legal precedence.
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Not real clear where he actually stands on healthcare or immigration. That being said, I'm not that impressed with any of them.
1) Repeal Obama-care
2) If you immigrated illegally, get at the back of the line
Are those etched in concrete somewhere? Seems to me that he thought mandated healthcare was a great idea in Massachusetts. Not real sure why he changed his mind and really not sure if I'd believe the answer that he would give if I asked. If you believe half the shit these guys are saying on stage you are a fool.
The citizens of Mass wanted a state run health care system, and as their governor, his job was to help come up with the best possible system. There's a huge difference between state and federal mandates. If the latter is an epic fail, it's very difficult to roll back.
Lars, whether or not the citizens wanted it is irrelevent....the collective "citizens" of Mass aren't running the President, and the fact that Romney supported it tells me that he is open to socialist policies, and that concerns me. If he didn't want it, he should have told them that and lost the election, but instead he either pandered to votes, or simply likes the concept of social healthcare.
I would love to know the HUGE difference between and State or Federal mandate.....obviously you can leave a State with a mandate but is that really that realistic for most Americans?

it's not realistic for many to up and leave every state that passes unfavorable legislation, however one major difference is that it is much easier for a state to correct a mistake than the Federal Government, because you are simply dealing with a much smaller number of people...etc.
I understand that, but from a constitutional standpoint if the mandate for Obamacare is proved to be unconstitutional then I would think the Massachusetts mandate is also, right? A state should not have the power to mandate something just as the federal goverment shouldnt. If it is found to be constitutional then go for it.
correct....however there is a difference between being an unconstitutional violation of our individual rights, and an unconstitutional use of federal power and jurisdiction.
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So a state government can mandate you to buy something the the federal government cant? Yeah, that makes sense...
Good, glad you agree. The state mandate to buy car insurance seems to have been accepted, but I don't know the legal precedence.
no one forces you to own a car.......not every man, woman, and child pay for car insurance. My teenage son isnt paying for car insurance because he cant drive. I'm sure dreach isnt paying car insurance for his toddler. Piss poor analogy Lars.
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So a state government can mandate you to buy something the the federal government cant? Yeah, that makes sense...
Good, glad you agree. The state mandate to buy car insurance seems to have been accepted, but I don't know the legal precedence.
no one forces you to own a car.......not every man, woman, and child pay for car insurance. My teenage son isnt paying for car insurance because he cant drive. I'm sure dreach isnt paying car insurance for his toddler. Piss poor analogy Lars.
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So a state government can mandate you to buy something the the federal government cant? Yeah, that makes sense...
Good, glad you agree. The state mandate to buy car insurance seems to have been accepted, but I don't know the legal precedence.
no one forces you to own a car.......not every man, woman, and child pay for car insurance. My teenage son isnt paying for car insurance because he cant drive. I'm sure dreach isnt paying car insurance for his toddler. Piss poor analogy Lars.
Good point.

Personally, I'm against mandates, but at some level we allow them. For example, some neighborhood communities dictate paint color, and must review external changes.
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So a state government can mandate you to buy something the the federal government cant? Yeah, that makes sense...
Good, glad you agree. The state mandate to buy car insurance seems to have been accepted, but I don't know the legal precedence.
no one forces you to own a car.......not every man, woman, and child pay for car insurance. My teenage son isnt paying for car insurance because he cant drive. I'm sure dreach isnt paying car insurance for his toddler. Piss poor analogy Lars.
Good point.

Personally, I'm against mandates, but at some level we allow them. For example, some neighborhood communities dictate paint color, and must review external changes.
No one forces you to live in that neighborhood.
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