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Bobobinc Mar 5 2012, 08:11 AM Post #1
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Hadn't seen this posted, assume everyone has seen it.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7638603/new-orleans-saints-defense-had-bounty-program-nfl-says

Apparently the Saints haven't exactly endeared themselves to the league either.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7638603/new-orleans-saints-defense-had-bounty-program-nfl-says

This could, and should, get ugly. I'm sure this has been done by other teams in the past......but with the emphasis the NFL has put on player safety, they have no choice to crack down or look like idiots.
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Hadn't seen this posted, assume everyone has seen it.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7638603/new-orleans-saints-defense-had-bounty-program-nfl-says

Apparently the Saints haven't exactly endeared themselves to the league either.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7638603/new-orleans-saints-defense-had-bounty-program-nfl-says

This could, and should, get ugly. I'm sure this has been done by other teams in the past......but with the emphasis the NFL has put on player safety, they have no choice to crack down or look like idiots.
Considering how their coach liked to suck on pain pills maybe he doesn't think anything is wrong with inflicting intentional pain? He forgot what pain was....
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I don't understand why this bounty gate is such a big deal. Last time I checked the NFL was a contact sport and people were supposed to hit people. Yet this is being made into a bigger deal than spygate, and penalties and fines are expected to be larger in this case. They actually cheated there, if you don't believe that, why did they destroy the evidence after the penalties were levied.
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I don't understand why this bounty gate is such a big deal. Last time I checked the NFL was a contact sport and people were supposed to hit people. Yet this is being made into a bigger deal than spygate, and penalties and fines are expected to be larger in this case. They actually cheated there, if you don't believe that, why did they destroy the evidence after the penalties were levied.
Offering financial incentive to hurt someone intentionally is not wrong? So ending someone's career with an intentional low blow for profit is acceptable to you? Are you fucking crazy?

Paying "Pete Smith" an extra $1000 to end Peyton Mannings career sounds like a solid business decision for the NFL. yernuts
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If the NFL doesn't take a stand, they are setting themselves up for MASSIVE lawsuits in the future with brain injuries and like symptoms. I think it's going to be really ugly for the Saints.

Some chic on ESPN wrote an article saying the Saints should fire Peyton and their GM. I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up happening.
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...just sucks when one person (Gregg Williams -- who actually decided to be the bigger man by telling the truth) is made to be the scapegoat when 99% of all defenses have most likely been doing this -- in some form or fashion -- for the past 30 years plus..
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The Saints have had a lot of issues over the last couple of years.

I'd like to think it's not as prevalent as you make it out to be, but you may very well be right.

Although, according to ESPN the GM for the Saints was warned to curb this exercise a couple of years ago, and it didn't happen. Williams has been known to do this with several teams, so I have no problem with the wood being laid on him, so to speak.
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And just a question; how did he tell the truth? Maybe he was honest when questioned, but I have a good feeling he never would have been had it not been made public.
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...well, whether he answered the question or not, he still told the truth -- and for that I respect him...I am also a Williams fan...I grew up watching and loving the Buddy Ryan Bears defense and Williams carried the torch on that...I guess I'm just old school on that...I understand the game is dangerous but it is just difficult for me to get used to the direction everything is going (safety-wise)...

...this is just such old news to me anyways...just before the Colts/Saints Superbowl, Williams was on the radio talking about "killshots" on Manning...he is who he is and he doesn't pull punches...something ive always liked in my coaches...kind of like a certain IU coach that most of us know and love...
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I'm in the minority on the IU coach.

Regardless, in this day and age, with all the lawsuits that are already pending from concussions, a bounty-system is a one-way ticket to being in trouble. Williams is a great defensive coach, but he may have a hard time finding a job when all is said and done.
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...definitely agree that a bounty system is going to fuck you nowadays...and it ail REALLY fuck you if you actually ADMIT to doing it...

...regardless, I am willing to bet that 31 other NFL teams are doing some closet cleaning right now...
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...just sucks when one person (Gregg Williams -- who actually decided to be the bigger man by telling the truth) is made to be the scapegoat when 99% of all defenses have most likely been doing this -- in some form or fashion -- for the past 30 years plus..
They might be in terms of big hits, but not on injuring players. Big difference, IMO.
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I don't understand why this bounty gate is such a big deal. Last time I checked the NFL was a contact sport and people were supposed to hit people. Yet this is being made into a bigger deal than spygate, and penalties and fines are expected to be larger in this case. They actually cheated there, if you don't believe that, why did they destroy the evidence after the penalties were levied.
Offering financial incentive to hurt someone intentionally is not wrong? So ending someone's career with an intentional low blow for profit is acceptable to you? Are you fucking crazy?

Paying "Pete Smith" an extra $1000 to end Peyton Mannings career sounds like a solid business decision for the NFL. yernuts
From how I've heard, the "bounty" isn't paid out for anything done illegal, in terms of football rules. $1000 to these guys is not anything, when they go to make a tackle they aren't going to be thinking I'm going to get a bonus if I hurt the guy on this tackle. They are going to worry about making the tackle and not ending up the goat on ESPN 10 while the other makes him look dumb. The defensive players that I've taken a stand have said bounty was not to go and intentionally hurt someone. In the NFL if somebody wanted to end careers, it would happen every week. People would go for the knees or head hunt.
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indy_83 Mar 7 2012, 01:20 PM Post #15
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I don't understand why this bounty gate is such a big deal. Last time I checked the NFL was a contact sport and people were supposed to hit people. Yet this is being made into a bigger deal than spygate, and penalties and fines are expected to be larger in this case. They actually cheated there, if you don't believe that, why did they destroy the evidence after the penalties were levied.
Offering financial incentive to hurt someone intentionally is not wrong? So ending someone's career with an intentional low blow for profit is acceptable to you? Are you fucking crazy?

Paying "Pete Smith" an extra $1000 to end Peyton Mannings career sounds like a solid business decision for the NFL. yernuts
From how I've heard, the "bounty" isn't paid out for anything done illegal, in terms of football rules. $1000 to these guys is not anything, when they go to make a tackle they aren't going to be thinking I'm going to get a bonus if I hurt the guy on this tackle. They are going to worry about making the tackle and not ending up the goat on ESPN 10 while the other makes him look dumb. The defensive players that I've taken a stand have said bounty was not to go and intentionally hurt someone. In the NFL if somebody wanted to end careers, it would happen every week. People would go for the knees or head hunt.
And I don't agree with the formalization of being done by the coach. That deserves to be punished. When groups of the d are basically making side bets Of whose going to do what first or have the biggest hit. That is the part that I'm OK with, but the NfL pissed me of when the pats cheated, we're caught with evidence, and nothing was done but a slap on the hand
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