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| BTown11 | Mar 19 2012, 03:32 PM Post #16 |
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What I like about that strategy (I contend that it's more of a strategy or a gimmick than actual defense) is that it forces you to think quickly, which is something a lot of college basketball players don't do well. The downsides are that once it gets broken, they are extremely susceptible to easy baskets and it requires a ton of energy and communication. I think VCU is one of the best mid major teams I've seen in some time, and the defensive style certainly helps bridge a talent gap. |
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| brumdog44 | Mar 19 2012, 03:43 PM Post #17 |
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Yes, he most certainly did....when you are dribbling toward the backcourt and the defender pushes into you, you aren't going to get a call. They won't call a push if the push is toward the direction you were going. In terms of a force out -- contact leading to a player going out of bounds, over the mid court line, etc, was changed a few years ago to completely get rid of any discretion: all force outs are fouls. It simply is not going to be ruled a force out if there is contact when a player isn't avoiding going out. |
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| brumdog44 | Mar 19 2012, 03:49 PM Post #18 |
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It's a solid defense. That said, it's not just the system that makes it so....it's having the personnel to run it, particularly against a team short on ball handlers. It's not a good matchup for us. |
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| sirbrianwilson | Mar 19 2012, 09:17 PM Post #19 |
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Posted Image Their defense may not be the best, but their turnover percentage is. Not to mention their defensive efficiency is top 25. br |
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| dreachon | Mar 19 2012, 09:36 PM Post #20 |
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I think that illustrates my point perfectly, Bri. They get a ton of steals, but look at their 2 point fg% rank. They give up lots of easy baskets whenever they press but can't get the turnover. Now THIS looks like a defense. Holy toledo. http://scores.espn.go.com/ncw/boxscore?gameId=320790041 |
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| sirbrianwilson | Mar 19 2012, 09:44 PM Post #21 |
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Wow. That's an UGLY box score. Holy shit. I honestly think VCU's inept offense lost them the game. Their D is above average but you have to be able to score to win...especially against one of the best eOff teams in the country. We simply found ways to produce and hit shots when it mattered down the stretch. Their inability to hit a FT at the end of the game is baffling. br |
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| brumdog44 | Mar 19 2012, 11:13 PM Post #22 |
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You want an ugly box score? This is an ugly box score. 2008 game between St.Louis and George Washington. Note that St.Louis would finish the year with a winning record. In the game, St.Louis had an 18 minute period where they scored one point. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=280100045 |
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| sirbrianwilson | Mar 20 2012, 12:00 AM Post #23 |
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How about this gem: http://www.iuhoosiers.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2009-2010/iugame19.html |
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| Mr Gray | Mar 20 2012, 07:35 AM Post #24 |
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I believe that their "havoc" defense really hurt their offense in the 2nd half....they were shooting the lights out when they were fresh, but as their legs wore down, we made our move |
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| dçamden03 | Mar 21 2012, 03:58 PM Post #25 |
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Ran across this today: • By killing its offense, VCU essentially shut down its defense, because it applies its press after made shots. The Rams only had seven made field goals and one made free throw they could press off of in the second half. They pressed all eight of those times … and on those possessions, Indiana scored a total of TWO points on 1-of-6 shooting, with two turnovers. |
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves." "I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel
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| dreachon | Mar 21 2012, 04:21 PM Post #26 |
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Those numbers sound nice, but I don't think they aren't telling the whole story. From the 10:35 mark in the 2nd half all the way down to the 2:55 mark, IU made ZERO shots. During that time VCU scored just once. Fact is IU's offense was simply anemic for large stretches of the 2nd half, regardless of whether VCU set up the press or not. And really, that means more credit to VCU's half court defense, which has been the argument in this thread. The press int he first half gave us some very easy shots. I think the majority of our offensive struggles came against the halfcourt defense. |
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| brumdog44 | Mar 21 2012, 10:03 PM Post #27 |
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VCU pressed the whole first half and we scored 41 points. It's not as simple as little blurbs sound. In the end, it came down to hitting shots and hitting free throws. It's not an accident that VCU was 9 of 30 from three....it's pretty par for the course for them. I think they really got lured into it by hitting a few early...but they shot 33% from there for the season, and more importantly simply do not have a guy who even shot 40% for the year. |
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