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| Mr Gray | Apr 21 2012, 08:25 AM Post #211 |
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dreach, I see nothing wrong with you being on the kids side...we all take sides on almost everything all the time...I do think, however, that your thinking is representative of a large swath of the American public who jumped to multiple conclusions based on slanted media coverage, and were ready to string Zimmerman up before we really knew anything...and that is a problem. I think it would be helpful if you stepped back and took a more objective look, by putting yourself separately in each person's shoes. You've obviously done that with Martin and his parents, but I doubt you have done the same with Zimmerman. There is absolutely nothing wrong with seeing something that you perceive as suspicious in your neighborhood and calling the police. If Zimmerman was the Rambo-vigilante that some make him out to be, I don't think he would have called law enforcement...he would have just "taken care of it" himself. Regarding "following", "pursuing", or "stalking" him, I have called 911 on suspicion before, and they actually asked me if I could keep an eye on the person and let them know which direction they were going, so it's not unheard of. I realize they told him that it wasn't necessary, but it's important to note that they didn't order him not to follow either. If you believe the kid is suspicious, it would be a natural reaction, IMO, to try to keep an eye on him to tell the police where he was going, especially considering that the neighborhood has had a lot of problems recently. We have no proof EITHER WAY as to how the actual scuffle started. It is very hard to believe that it started because Zimmerman actually caught Martin on foot, but if he did and he put Martin in a position where Martin had to physically defend himself, then I think Zimmerman lost his rights to use deadly force, regardless of how the law will look at it. If Zimmerman "lost" Martin and began walking back to his car and then Martin came back after Zimmerman and assaulted him, I think Zimmerman had a right to defend himself. I carry my firearm 99% of the time when I leave the house...it's a force of habit now, and I am a legal responsible gun owner. I can assure you that if I was physically assaulted and a man had me pinned down slamming my head against the concrete, I would not have the time or the mental awareness to evaluate the degree in which my head is hitting the concrete, and the potential for long term injuries or death if I just sit there and take it.....the human body has a built in survival mechanism, and it takes over in moments like that, and the SECOND that I realized that I would be unable to get out of the predicament on my own, I would shoot....no question about it. That is where I would be sympathetic to Zimmerman, if his story turns out to be true. I would ask that you would take a real unbiased look at it, and tell me that if you were in a situation like that, would you just allow your head to be bashed in, or would you fire if you had the opportunity? |
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| dreachon | Apr 21 2012, 08:40 AM Post #212 |
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Saying you could see it go either way and actually believing something are two entirely different things. I can see the case go either way, easily. That doesn't mean shit. Brum is right. You sit here and constantly argue for Zimmerman's side and then try and call me out for supporting Martin's side. At least I'll man up and admit what side I'm on. And I never said I don't put any stock in the eye witness. In fact, I think both the phone witness AND the eye witness can be right. There's no conflict between their stories. I have no doubt that if Martin wasn't winning the fight as some point, they were at least in a situation where it could go either way. But a 17 year old kid buying skittles is dead. Good thing that regardless of whether Zimmerman is telling the truth or not, you don't care if he gets 40 years or goes free. Awesome opinion. As to Aaron, I have put myself in Zimmerman's shoes and that's exactly why I feel like he was in the wrong. Because in no scenario can I ever imagine myself getting out of my car and running after someone just because I thought they looked suspicious. I can't relate to Zimmerman at all. |
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| Jazen | Apr 21 2012, 11:37 AM Post #213 |
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I can't either, not in a million lifetimes. I may be small town, but I can't imagine EVER roaming the neighborhood with a gun in my pocket looking for suspicious activity, merely as a normal citizen. And if I DID live in an area where that were, for a lack of a better term, 'essential', I'd get the fuck out and move to a small town. That's here nor there to this argument, just my personal perspective of the objective events, BUT.. 1. George Zimmerman was walking the neighborhood with a gun, for Christ's sakes 2. Trayvon Martin was walking home Those are two facts that we know of, and that's where it starts - and ends with a dead teenager. Sad, sad shit. |
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| IUCOLTFAN | Apr 23 2012, 04:11 PM Post #214 |
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Is this case political? I believe a person has the right to own a gun. I believe that due to the Stand Your Ground law this case is not cut and dry either way. I believe that the prosecutor is gonna have a tough time proving 2nd degree murder unless she has way more than what we currently know. I believe the MSM tried to make this a huge racial case before anyone knew even remotely what happened. I believe that some posters have Zimmerman guilty until proven innocent. And I am fine with the case going either way as long as the verdict follows the current laws and it is done with the known facts of the case. Not real sure why that is political to you. I am not for or against either Martin or Zimmerman. I have argued more points for Zimmerman simply because I thought a lot of posters had jumped to unfounded conclusions with knowing what even happened. Everything has to instantly be racial in this country....why? Why would a major network doctor a recording to incite racial tensions at a time like this? This thing is bigger than Martin/Zimmerman (unfortunately), I dread thinking of what could happen if Zimmerman is found innocent or if the verdict is not to the peoples liking.....it's gonna get ugly and I hate to see that. Have we peaked in regards to race relations? Sad to think that this could be as good as it gets. |
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| HoosierLars | Apr 23 2012, 04:48 PM Post #215 |
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Good summary. I think that the biggest story here could be the MSM doctoring evidence to increase the racial impact, e.g. doctoring the 911 audio and coining the expression "white Hispanic." Yet nobody at NBC appears to have been fired or disciplined. |
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| brumdog44 | Apr 23 2012, 05:29 PM Post #216 |
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Read Colt's first question: 'is this case political'? You call it a good summary....but then go on to state news agencies playing politics with it. OF COURSE the case is political. Secondly, NBC did fire the producer who edited the audio....not that you get that news on what you listen to and read. That happened like two days after the editing. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/nbc-news-fires-producer-involved-in-editing-zimmerman-911-call/ |
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| Mr Gray | Apr 24 2012, 06:24 AM Post #217 |
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http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/23/man-beaten-mob-critical-condition-ar-3659891/ Justice for Trayvon??? This shit makes me sick!!! |
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| HoosierLars | Apr 24 2012, 09:30 AM Post #218 |
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That's good news, thanks for posting. |
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| dreachon | Apr 24 2012, 09:53 AM Post #219 |
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That's def fucked up, but are you suggesting the mob wouldn't have beat this guy if there wasn't any uproar about the Martin case? |
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| HoosierLars | Apr 24 2012, 10:19 AM Post #220 |
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Wonder if Biden will call a news conference, and say if he had another son, he might look like Matthew. |
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| Jazen | Apr 24 2012, 01:15 PM Post #221 |
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Unfortunately, this is only the beginning. God forbid Zimmerman walk away with an acquittal. In terms of the Trayvon case, you can argue politics all you want, you can argue that the media inflamed this whole situation by inciting race issues, of course to 'have a big story'. Whether these issues are true or not, and I believe they are, it all doesn't matter; a grown man carrying a gun around the neighborhood shot and killed a kid walking down the sidewalk. The people don't give a shit about politics, or whether the media makes their money, they're tired of it all and it's come down to this. Trust me, this isn't the end of it. Edited by Jazen, Apr 24 2012, 01:16 PM.
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| brumdog44 | Apr 24 2012, 06:10 PM Post #222 |
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If Biden calls a news conference, he's likely to sprinkle in a few 'motherfuckers' before he gets lost in what he was trying to say. |
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| brumdog44 | Apr 24 2012, 06:12 PM Post #223 |
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Not even close. And I think that with how badly the prosecution has done, Zimmerman will be walking. |
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| HoosierLars | Apr 24 2012, 07:29 PM Post #224 |
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Politically, I think Obama has a lot to lose, especially if Romney selects Rubio for his running mate. Blacks are already in the tank for Obama, but the combination of Rubio and the current administration's support for Martin, e.g. no action against the Black Panthers putting a price on Zimmerman's head, should make more Hispanics pull the lever for Mitt. |
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| Mr Gray | Apr 25 2012, 06:09 AM Post #225 |
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decent chance that that is the case dreach.....blacks have been called to action pretty heavily over the last month, and that action has been to beat up white people. |
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