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| dreachon | Apr 25 2012, 08:23 AM Post #226 |
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| Mr Gray | Apr 25 2012, 08:29 AM Post #227 |
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have you ever been around an angry mob motivated by racism? I have (both white and black) and the thought process, motivation, disregard for humanity...etc etc, is appalling and disgusting, but absolutely real. Whites in the south demonstrated this throughout last century, and not necessarily in relation to the KKK...i have seen in 1st hand with blacks in several occasions, not in relation to extreme organizations such as the Black Panthers. It's real dreach, and unfortunately the media are fanning the flames. |
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| chops1221 | Apr 25 2012, 08:30 AM Post #228 |
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So I guess you'd be OK with me saying that Gabbie Giffords was shot because conservatives were called to action by Sarah Palin? |
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| Mr Gray | Apr 25 2012, 08:37 AM Post #229 |
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no, there is a pretty big difference.....we are talking about the death of a child to begin with, and then you add the racial tension, mostly created by the media, to the situation, and the result is violent anger. Palin speaking out against political policies of those she is against certainly doesn't compare. *note, there have been DIRECT calls for violence against whites as a result of the Zimmerman case, but I am not claiming that this "mob" knew of those calls and/or responded to them. |
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| dreachon | Apr 25 2012, 10:33 AM Post #230 |
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I agree with just about everything you said and that's my point really. Mobs don't need a Trayvon Martin. That guy would have been beaten regardless. Gangs don't need an excuse. The fact that they said it was for Trayvon is really meaningless cuz if it wasn't for Trayvon then it would have been for their buddy, or their brother or their kid, or whatever. |
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| IUCOLTFAN | Apr 25 2012, 02:01 PM Post #231 |
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So their own words don't matter and they would have definitely beat up whitey anyway? I agree that needless violence happens all the time but making light of someone's actual stated reasonings for something seems like you are going out of your way the marginalize the act. |
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| Mr Gray | Apr 25 2012, 03:10 PM Post #232 |
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I was sort of thinking the same thing. Dreach has admitted to having a bias in this case but if someone verbally states that a brutal beating had something to do with the Martin case, I don't think it is fair to disregard it. The incident wasn't started because of Martin, but the degree of brutality could have certainly been escalated because of it. I am saddened by the fact that this victim doesn't get the same level of sympathy and outrage by folks like dreach. |
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| dreachon | Apr 25 2012, 03:36 PM Post #233 |
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Dude, you JUST said
The level of violence in a mob mentality isn't something thought out or discussed before hand or something. On one hand you're acknowledging that and on the other you're saying the violence was escalated because of the case. I also said it was definitely fucked up. Why is there no outrage? Because the link you posted is asking for people to turn this mob in so they can be arrested and they are already arresting people. The exact opposite of the cause of outrage from the Trayvon Martin case. How is this not obvious? |
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| Mr Gray | Apr 25 2012, 03:41 PM Post #234 |
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Take a look at your own posts from the. Immerman threads and tell me that your reaction is the same |
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| dreachon | Apr 25 2012, 03:45 PM Post #235 |
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My reactions are not the same. Do I really have to explain this? Zimmerman shot and killed a 17 year old kid and was not going to be arrested for it A mob of 20 nearly beat a man to death is currently being arrested for it Am I really supposed to be outraged at every violent act in the world as if everything is identical? What a silly expectation you have of me. Edited by dreachon, Apr 25 2012, 03:46 PM.
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| brumdog44 | Apr 25 2012, 08:27 PM Post #236 |
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Incredibly full of win. It's funny how aaron doesn't have a problem when the speaker of the statement is on the right side of the aisle. Recall his statements about Ted Nugent: "Nugent is a cool guy...I have met him several times. I personally don't believe that he actually intends to do something that will put him in "jail or dead" if Obama wins, but he isn't known as a guy who thinks before he speaks, and I don't see that changing. At least the secret service is looking into it...Nugent can probably hook them up with some of the best hookers!" Personally, I didn't think aaron would call draft dodging serial child molester a "cool guy"....oh wait, he is on the NRA so it's okay. |
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| Mr Gray | Apr 26 2012, 07:30 AM Post #237 |
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brum....you have to admit the "grand canyon" sized difference between the Black Panthers direct calls for the murder and beatings of white people, and Palin's cross-hairs. I knew nothing of Nugent's child molestation or draft dodging prior to someone's post on here. I had no reason to know...I met Nugent because he is friends with a lot of Fort Wayne businessmen, and they have introduced him to me several times...so meeting him in person he is a very cool guy. Personable, funny, energetic...etc. I didn't decry Nugent's comments because I didn't now the full context, which still hasn't been posted on here. Taken at face value, Nugent's comments are much much much more dangerous than anything that Palin did, but still a few notches below the black panthers DIRECT call for violence. Saying that you will end up "in jail or dead" can be easily interpreted to mean violence, but certainly isn't it's only meaning, and the context is important in judging one's comments. |
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| Mr Gray | Apr 26 2012, 07:42 AM Post #238 |
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that's a good point...I guess I didn't expect you to completely disregard the assailant's "justice for Trayvon" comment like you did, but I do respect your point that the law is appropriately handling this beating (at least for now) |
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| Mr Gray | Apr 26 2012, 04:10 PM Post #239 |
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There is an interesting article out there on Zimmerman that paints a different picture of him from what the media portrayed in the beginning, which clearly many of our own posters jumped on to as well. It may not change your view of the crime, but does point to the media's desire to make Zimmerman and the story into something that is may not have been....a racism-laced crime. Here are a few points of note that I picked up on. In 2004, Zimmerman and a black friend opened an Allstate insurance office In the fall of 2009, a pit bull broke free twice and once cornered Shellie in the Zimmermans' yard. George Zimmerman asked a police officer whether he should buy pepper spray. The cop told him pepper spray wasn't fast enough and recommended that he get a gun. In September, several concerned residents of the neighborhood, including Zimmerman, asked the neighborhood association to create a neighborhood watch. Zimmerman was asked to run it. A community newsletter reminded residents to report any crimes to the police and then call "George Zimmerman, our captain On February 2, 2012, Zimmerman spotted a young black man looking into the windows of a neighbor's empty house. He called the police and said "I don't know what he's doing. I don't want to approach him, personally." The police sent a car, but by the time they arrived, the man was gone |
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| dreachon | Apr 26 2012, 04:35 PM Post #240 |
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Also released were documents that showed Zimmerman had two prior scrapes with the law. One in which he attacked an undercover officer who was arresting his friend and another in which his girlfriend accused him of attacking her. He was ordered to take anger management classes. |
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