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Topic Started: Apr 11 2012, 01:36 PM (8,552 Views)
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Apr 30 2012, 07:11 PM
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I really dont care if you think I'm taking sides or not. If Zim is proven to have broken the current Florida law then he should pay the price and if he is proven to simply have defended himself during a physical confrontation and had broken no laws then he should be acquitted. Not sure how that is taking sides.
Classic. Again. What you think will or should happen is completely different from what you BELIEVE happened. Your posts wholly in favor of Zimmerman indicate you BELIEVE his story. My posts wholly in favor of Martin indicate I BELIEVE Zimmerman should go to jail. This is all based on what we currently know. The only difference between you and me is that I've publicly said my beliefs and you keep hiding behind this claim of being unbiased.
Amazing that you "know' what I believe.........give me a fucking break. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED and therefore DIDN'T jump to biased conclusions like yourself. I guess. in your world, that makes you right and me wrong.
This seems to be your MO....claim neutrality on everything while clearly believing and posting one side. As long as you say "both sides of the aisle", it's okay, right?
Show me anywhere in this thread where I said Zimmermann was innocent of a crime. Dude, you didn't come out and say it........but your posts read like you're slanted toward Zimmerman. I don't have a dog in the fight. You just sound that way......even if you don't really believe it.
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Apr 30 2012, 08:01 PM
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I really dont care if you think I'm taking sides or not. If Zim is proven to have broken the current Florida law then he should pay the price and if he is proven to simply have defended himself during a physical confrontation and had broken no laws then he should be acquitted. Not sure how that is taking sides.
Classic. Again. What you think will or should happen is completely different from what you BELIEVE happened. Your posts wholly in favor of Zimmerman indicate you BELIEVE his story. My posts wholly in favor of Martin indicate I BELIEVE Zimmerman should go to jail. This is all based on what we currently know. The only difference between you and me is that I've publicly said my beliefs and you keep hiding behind this claim of being unbiased.
Amazing that you "know' what I believe.........give me a fucking break. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED and therefore DIDN'T jump to biased conclusions like yourself. I guess. in your world, that makes you right and me wrong.
This seems to be your MO....claim neutrality on everything while clearly believing and posting one side. As long as you say "both sides of the aisle", it's okay, right?
Show me anywhere in this thread where I said Zimmermann was innocent of a crime.
Dude, you didn't come out and say it........but your posts read like you're slanted toward Zimmerman. I don't have a dog in the fight. You just sound that way......even if you don't really believe it. Wanting Zimmermann to get a fair trial and to be able to tell his side does not make me pro-Zimmermann, imo. What has really had my interest about this case is how quickly it turned racial. Sadly, if Zimmermann were a black man then we wouldn't have heard a word about any of this.
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Apr 30 2012, 08:49 PM
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Are you claiming that your initial reaction was not that Zimmerman was guilty of something? I haven't claimed anyone is guilty or innocent in this case. I've played devils advocate and said I could see it go either way.
I do have a question for you tho. Is it possible that Zim "chased" Martin and lost him and headed back to his vehicle (hence the 911 conversation about meeting the patrol car) and then Martin doubled back and confronted Zim while Martin was still on the phone with his girlfriend?
My initial reaction was that Zimmerman needed to be arrested and not walking around scot-free. And again, you saying the case could go either way and you believing whether Zimmerman is guilty or not are two entirely different things. Everyone says the case could go either way. Not everyone claims to be unbiased while solely arguing for one person in the case. Yes, it's possible Martin double backed to Zimmerman while on the phone with his girlfriend. Does it make any sense? No. But it's possible. I LOVE that you still put "chase" in quotation marks as if it's not clear whether Zimmerman got out of the car and went after Martin.
The entire case comes down to the physical confrontation and NONE of us on this board knows exactly what happened at that point.
bliver does....Zimmerman "baited" Martin into a confrontation so he could get his ass kicked and then shoot him. :D
Keep acting like a 12 year old...I gets more and more amusing.
Did you or did you not say that IS how it happened? I've addressed this, you acknowledged it, I'm not going to dignify another response to it.
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Apr 30 2012, 08:55 PM
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I really dont care if you think I'm taking sides or not. If Zim is proven to have broken the current Florida law then he should pay the price and if he is proven to simply have defended himself during a physical confrontation and had broken no laws then he should be acquitted. Not sure how that is taking sides.
Classic. Again. What you think will or should happen is completely different from what you BELIEVE happened. Your posts wholly in favor of Zimmerman indicate you BELIEVE his story. My posts wholly in favor of Martin indicate I BELIEVE Zimmerman should go to jail. This is all based on what we currently know. The only difference between you and me is that I've publicly said my beliefs and you keep hiding behind this claim of being unbiased.
Amazing that you "know' what I believe.........give me a fucking break. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED and therefore DIDN'T jump to biased conclusions like yourself. I guess. in your world, that makes you right and me wrong.
This seems to be your MO....claim neutrality on everything while clearly believing and posting one side. As long as you say "both sides of the aisle", it's okay, right?
Show me anywhere in this thread where I said Zimmermann was innocent of a crime.
Dude, you didn't come out and say it........but your posts read like you're slanted toward Zimmerman. I don't have a dog in the fight. You just sound that way......even if you don't really believe it.
Wanting Zimmermann to get a fair trial and to be able to tell his side does not make me pro-Zimmermann, imo. What has really had my interest about this case is how quickly it turned racial. Sadly, if Zimmermann were a black man then we wouldn't have heard a word about any of this. Why, because he would have been arrested from the get go?
Bigger issue IMO is that him being the son of a judge has the most bearing in the time between the incident and the arrest.
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IUCOLTFAN
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Apr 30 2012, 09:46 PM
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I really dont care if you think I'm taking sides or not. If Zim is proven to have broken the current Florida law then he should pay the price and if he is proven to simply have defended himself during a physical confrontation and had broken no laws then he should be acquitted. Not sure how that is taking sides.
Classic. Again. What you think will or should happen is completely different from what you BELIEVE happened. Your posts wholly in favor of Zimmerman indicate you BELIEVE his story. My posts wholly in favor of Martin indicate I BELIEVE Zimmerman should go to jail. This is all based on what we currently know. The only difference between you and me is that I've publicly said my beliefs and you keep hiding behind this claim of being unbiased.
Amazing that you "know' what I believe.........give me a fucking break. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED and therefore DIDN'T jump to biased conclusions like yourself. I guess. in your world, that makes you right and me wrong.
This seems to be your MO....claim neutrality on everything while clearly believing and posting one side. As long as you say "both sides of the aisle", it's okay, right?
Show me anywhere in this thread where I said Zimmermann was innocent of a crime.
Dude, you didn't come out and say it........but your posts read like you're slanted toward Zimmerman. I don't have a dog in the fight. You just sound that way......even if you don't really believe it.
Wanting Zimmermann to get a fair trial and to be able to tell his side does not make me pro-Zimmermann, imo. What has really had my interest about this case is how quickly it turned racial. Sadly, if Zimmermann were a black man then we wouldn't have heard a word about any of this.
Why, because he would have been arrested from the get go? Bigger issue IMO is that him being the son of a judge has the most bearing in the time between the incident and the arrest. Black men kill other black men all the time and it is rarely front page news much less national news...
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Apr 30 2012, 10:57 PM
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I really dont care if you think I'm taking sides or not. If Zim is proven to have broken the current Florida law then he should pay the price and if he is proven to simply have defended himself during a physical confrontation and had broken no laws then he should be acquitted. Not sure how that is taking sides.
Classic. Again. What you think will or should happen is completely different from what you BELIEVE happened. Your posts wholly in favor of Zimmerman indicate you BELIEVE his story. My posts wholly in favor of Martin indicate I BELIEVE Zimmerman should go to jail. This is all based on what we currently know. The only difference between you and me is that I've publicly said my beliefs and you keep hiding behind this claim of being unbiased.
Amazing that you "know' what I believe.........give me a fucking break. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED and therefore DIDN'T jump to biased conclusions like yourself. I guess. in your world, that makes you right and me wrong.
This seems to be your MO....claim neutrality on everything while clearly believing and posting one side. As long as you say "both sides of the aisle", it's okay, right?
Show me anywhere in this thread where I said Zimmermann was innocent of a crime.
Dude, you didn't come out and say it........but your posts read like you're slanted toward Zimmerman. I don't have a dog in the fight. You just sound that way......even if you don't really believe it.
Wanting Zimmermann to get a fair trial and to be able to tell his side does not make me pro-Zimmermann, imo. What has really had my interest about this case is how quickly it turned racial. Sadly, if Zimmermann were a black man then we wouldn't have heard a word about any of this.
Why, because he would have been arrested from the get go? Bigger issue IMO is that him being the son of a judge has the most bearing in the time between the incident and the arrest.
Black men kill other black men all the time and it is rarely front page news much less national news... In that case, this would be an instance where the injection of racial tensions was beneficial. Without the high profile nature the case took on, who knows if Zimmerman ever would have been arrested.
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May 1 2012, 03:49 PM
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I really dont care if you think I'm taking sides or not. If Zim is proven to have broken the current Florida law then he should pay the price and if he is proven to simply have defended himself during a physical confrontation and had broken no laws then he should be acquitted. Not sure how that is taking sides.
Classic. Again. What you think will or should happen is completely different from what you BELIEVE happened. Your posts wholly in favor of Zimmerman indicate you BELIEVE his story. My posts wholly in favor of Martin indicate I BELIEVE Zimmerman should go to jail. This is all based on what we currently know. The only difference between you and me is that I've publicly said my beliefs and you keep hiding behind this claim of being unbiased.
Amazing that you "know' what I believe.........give me a fucking break. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED and therefore DIDN'T jump to biased conclusions like yourself. I guess. in your world, that makes you right and me wrong.
This seems to be your MO....claim neutrality on everything while clearly believing and posting one side. As long as you say "both sides of the aisle", it's okay, right?
Show me anywhere in this thread where I said Zimmermann was innocent of a crime.
Dude, you didn't come out and say it........but your posts read like you're slanted toward Zimmerman. I don't have a dog in the fight. You just sound that way......even if you don't really believe it.
Wanting Zimmermann to get a fair trial and to be able to tell his side does not make me pro-Zimmermann, imo. What has really had my interest about this case is how quickly it turned racial. Sadly, if Zimmermann were a black man then we wouldn't have heard a word about any of this.
Why, because he would have been arrested from the get go? Bigger issue IMO is that him being the son of a judge has the most bearing in the time between the incident and the arrest.
Black men kill other black men all the time and it is rarely front page news much less national news...
In that case, this would be an instance where the injection of racial tensions was beneficial. Without the high profile nature the case took on, who knows if Zimmerman ever would have been arrested. I understand that and agree with you. I am just saying that this undoubtedly wasnt the only senseless death that happened that day or maybe even that hour. You'd think at some point that people would get tired of all the needless fighting and killing......I'm just glad to raise my kid in a place where this stuff in minimum, I feel for those who aren't as lucky.
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A tidbit of history concerning Sanford, Florida and black athlete Jackie Robinson. I'm not implying there is a core issue that relates to the Zimmerman case and Sanford, Florida, but I thought it was interesting, despite the time period and the fact that this happened in the same town.
"On March 5th, 1946, the Royals were informed that they would not be permitted to take the field as an integrated group. Rickey was concerned for Robinson’s life and sent him to stay in Daytona Beach. His daughter, Sharon Robinson, remembered being told, "The Robinsons were run out of Sanford, Florida, with threats of violence."
"In his 1993 book, "A Hard Road to Glory: A History Of The African American Athlete: Baseball" tennis great Arthur Ashe wrote in response, Rickey "moved the entire Dodger pre-season camp from Sanford, Florida, to Daytona Beach due to the oppressive conditions of Sanford."
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/george-zimmerman-myspace-page-trayvon-martin-shooter-called-180717152.html
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May 3 2012, 09:28 AM
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The article author concluded: "George Zimmerman's 2005 Myspace page, unearthed by the Miami Herald on Wednesday, suggests Trayvon Martin's shooter had a history of racial profiling." based on the following statement by Zim:
"I dont miss driving around scared to hit mexicans walkin on the side of the street, soft ass wanna be thugs messin with peoples cars when they aint around (what are you provin, that you can dent a car when no ones watchin) dont make you a man in my book. Workin 96 hours to get a decent pay check, gettin knifes pulled on you by every mexican you run into!"
I don't think Zim's Facebook quote deserves to be called "racial profiling."
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May 3 2012, 10:46 AM
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The article author concluded: " George Zimmerman's 2005 Myspace page, unearthed by the Miami Herald on Wednesday, suggests Trayvon Martin's shooter had a history of racial profiling." based on the following statement by Zim: " I dont miss driving around scared to hit mexicans walkin on the side of the street, soft ass wanna be thugs messin with peoples cars when they aint around (what are you provin, that you can dent a car when no ones watchin) dont make you a man in my book. Workin 96 hours to get a decent pay check, gettin knifes pulled on you by every mexican you run into!" I don't think Zim's Facebook quote deserves to be called "racial profiling." If he is talking about an area and time when/where Mexican drugs were ruling the streets, then I wouldn't call it profiling. Immature thug-like comment at a minimum though.
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http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2012/04/04/20120404man-killed-taco-bell-walking-dog-stepped-into-drive-through-lane-abrk.html
http://absd.info/wordpress/?p=29842
No arrest yet. I assume the stand your ground law leads to longer investigations?
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May 7 2012, 02:09 PM
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"The shooting is under investigation by Phoenix police and the driver is in police custody."
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"The shooting is under investigation by Phoenix police and the driver is in police custody." My bad, linked the wrong one. Either way, it will be interesting to see what charges are filed and how this case compares.
This is from another article:
The man was driving his car with a pregnant woman in the passenger seat. At first, the couple said that Adkins was waving a metal object, such as a pipe. However, no weapon was found at the scene, according to the local news. The man who killed Adkins claimed self-defence and has not yet been arrested.
The other article was posted April 4th. My apologies.
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I don't think you can jump to the conclusion that the stand your ground law leads to longer investigations. Is there anything on this besides articles from a month ago? Maybe the investigation is over already.
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