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George Zimmerman ; Combined Threads
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You'd have to be one dedicated son of a gun to be willing to get 2 black eyes, a broken nose, and head lacerations just to reach your "goal" of stalking and committing a hate crime on a black man....
true. I never really looked at this as a hate crime. There have been some houses broken into. some kids were caught who were black. Zimmerman saw a black kid walking down the sidewalk late one night while raining, I can understand him thinking he may be up to no good. But once he called 911 he should have called it a day. He did his job, getting out of the truck to pursue him was a bad idea, especially knowing he had a gun on him.
I agree. Maybe the guy shouldnt have followed or even had a gun (although it is his right). I am not trying to judge either person involved. I just never felt, from what we knew, that Zimmermann went out with intent to kill anyone especially specifically a black man (hate crime).....the scenario just didnt add up to that in my mind. He may or may not be found guilty of something but I seriously think that the media has forced the state to overplay their hand on this one. This is gonna be a bad bad scene if he is acquitted. The additional blood that will spill should be on the media's and professional race baiter's hands.....imo, their actions hurt the true sufferers of racial discrimination.......they are like the little boy crying "wolf"....
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Okay, I've read both reports -- the one that Fox lists and the one Zimmerman with two black eyes, a nose fracture, and a head abrasion; the WFTV.com one has him with a broken nose and a head abrasion.

Looks like we've got contradicting reports as the media rushes to be first rather than be right.
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Travon Martin targets? Wow just wow
http://www.whptv.com/news/local/story/Trayvon-Martin-targets-being-sold/_FLU7i7tOk2Uwfaz978fSA.cspx
I lose faith in humanity more and more everyday....Lars, you just advanced me several months.
Court records show George Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a nose fracture and two cuts to the back of his head after the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/15/records-detail-george-zimmerman-medical-injuries/
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/autopsy-results-show-trayvon-martin-had-injuries-h/nN6gs/

SANFORD, Fla. — WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died.

Zimmerman: 2 black eyes, broken nose, cuts on back of head
Martin: Injuries on knuckles

I believe it was brum who earlier mocked the idea that Martin could have actually been beating up Zimmerman, and bliver questioned the authenticity of Zimmerman's head cuts. Anyone care to spin this?
Is there something about two black eyes that I missed? I'm not seeing it.

Also, I don't believe I ever mocked Martin beating up on Zimmerman. I did say that I don't think rationally that Zimmerman's life was in danger.
I dont think it was you but there was someone on here who instantly questioned a '250 lb man being beat up by a 160 lb teenager' (paraphrasing due to laziness).....

The truth is that a lot of people instantly jumped to conclusions and firm opinions before having any knowledge of what happened. We all could have done better on the issue of letting the case play out a little more.
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I'm sure that one wasn't me....I never said anything about Zimmerman's weight because when I saw pictures of him I knew the media's report of him 'being 250 pounds' wasn't true.
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About the black eyes. did we ever see a pic of Zimmermanns eyes after in incident? Either immediately or within a day or 2 after? I dont remember seeing it. He wasnt arrested for weeks after. Are those the only face pics we've seen after the arrest? Are there differences in degrees of a black eye? Im no doctor...
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well, like I said before, this is a message board so we are entilted to jump to conclusions, we may just be wrong in the end, oh well. We're here to discuss this and that's what we've been doing.

I initially thought he should have been arrested and rightfully so, I think that's what people were most upset about in the beginning.
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About the black eyes. did we ever see a pic of Zimmermanns eyes after in incident? Either immediately or within a day or 2 after? I dont remember seeing it. He wasnt arrested for weeks after. Are those the only face pics we've seen after the arrest? Are there differences in degrees of a black eye? Im no doctor...
there is video of him entering the police station the night of the shooting, he was in handcuffs. I didn't see anything that looked like a black eye, but that's the thing with bruises, they become more noticable over a day or two depending on how severe.
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well, like I said before, this is a message board so we are entilted to jump to conclusions, we may just be wrong in the end, oh well. We're here to discuss this and that's what we've been doing.

I initially thought he should have been arrested and rightfully so, I think that's what people were most upset about in the beginning.
fair enough. If you remember tho, it got pretty heated and maybe even a little personal when people were just expressing their opinions. Just stating that we all could slow down a little when passions get a little high on here.....we are all entitled to our opinions for sure, we just all seem to go to another level pretty quickly when it comes to some of these issues.
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About the black eyes. did we ever see a pic of Zimmermanns eyes after in incident? Either immediately or within a day or 2 after? I dont remember seeing it. He wasnt arrested for weeks after. Are those the only face pics we've seen after the arrest? Are there differences in degrees of a black eye? Im no doctor...
there is video of him entering the police station the night of the shooting, he was in handcuffs. I didn't see anything that looked like a black eye, but that's the thing with bruises, they become more noticable over a day or two depending on how severe.
I dont remember a face shot in that video but I may have missed it.....you hit on my point tho, black eyes generally take a day or 2 to develop.
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You'd have to be one dedicated son of a gun to be willing to get 2 black eyes, a broken nose, and head lacerations just to reach your "goal" of stalking and committing a hate crime on a black man....
true. I never really looked at this as a hate crime. There have been some houses broken into. some kids were caught who were black. Zimmerman saw a black kid walking down the sidewalk late one night while raining, I can understand him thinking he may be up to no good. But once he called 911 he should have called it a day. He did his job, getting out of the truck to pursue him was a bad idea, especially knowing he had a gun on him.
bliver, this post is a massive reversal from previous posts, which is why it is extremely difficult to give you any credibility on this story.

Example: Here you implied that Zimmerman actually baited Martin in so that he could shoot him. (which looks even more foolish now that we see the degree of Zimmerman's injuries)
http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/single/?p=8248931&t=7177141
Maybe I'll just go get my 44 and go start some shit with someone because I think they look suspicious, then wait for that person so feel threatened enough to confront me, then mouth off to him, then wait to get hit so I can open fire...another coward with a gun

In this post, you state specifically that "the way you see it", Zimmerman baited Martin in.

In this post, you state concretely that the baiting theory "is what happened" whether I see it that way or not.
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The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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I'm with dreach on this, and I didn't question his abrasions on his head. I said that by witness accounts, the confrontation happened in the grass. I was trying to figure out where this other confrontation happened, or if there was another one at all. For me, it's what happened before hand that I question and who initiated the confrontation in the first place.

I know you're looking for your big gotcha moment for the day, I wish you well
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sorry, but you're wrong...I just read through all my posts, and I didn't question them at all, just wanted to know where the concrete came into play. Keep trying 12 year old
but if his nose was broke, there will be medical records stating that, but those haven't came out and I don't think they will, which then paints zimmerman as a liar - bliver
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The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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Travon Martin targets? Wow just wow
http://www.whptv.com/news/local/story/Trayvon-Martin-targets-being-sold/_FLU7i7tOk2Uwfaz978fSA.cspx
I lose faith in humanity more and more everyday....Lars, you just advanced me several months.
Court records show George Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a nose fracture and two cuts to the back of his head after the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/15/records-detail-george-zimmerman-medical-injuries/
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/autopsy-results-show-trayvon-martin-had-injuries-h/nN6gs/

SANFORD, Fla. — WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died.

Zimmerman: 2 black eyes, broken nose, cuts on back of head
Martin: Injuries on knuckles

I believe it was brum who earlier mocked the idea that Martin could have actually been beating up Zimmerman, and bliver questioned the authenticity of Zimmerman's head cuts. Anyone care to spin this?
Is there something about two black eyes that I missed? I'm not seeing it.

Also, I don't believe I ever mocked Martin beating up on Zimmerman. I did say that I don't think rationally that Zimmerman's life was in danger.
you are correct...I had your post confused with Mongos

Right he beat up the man who weighed 100 pounds more than him - Mongo
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47453164/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/

From what is known of the investigation and the available evidence, what exactly happened in the dimly lighted residential development that Sunday night may remain out of reach. Given Mr. Zimmerman’s assertion that he was acting in self-defense, and lacking enough evidence to the contrary, the original prosecutor in the case, Norm Wolfinger, whose jurisdiction includes Sanford, filed no charges against him.


MSM already trying to walk it back. Now they are already trying to find the excuses to why there may not be a conviction when they were the ones who trumped it all up without knowing the facts. Not surprised.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47453164/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/

From what is known of the investigation and the available evidence, what exactly happened in the dimly lighted residential development that Sunday night may remain out of reach. Given Mr. Zimmerman’s assertion that he was acting in self-defense, and lacking enough evidence to the contrary, the original prosecutor in the case, Norm Wolfinger, whose jurisdiction includes Sanford, filed no charges against him.


MSM already trying to walk it back. Now they are already trying to find the excuses to why there may not be a conviction when they were the ones who trumped it all up without knowing the facts. Not surprised.
I actually think there is a solid chance that the judge will determine that there isn't enough evidence to even go to trial
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Gotta find someone to blame istead of seeing that maybe there never was enough evidence or that a crime MAY not have even been committed.......sad.
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