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George Zimmerman ; Combined Threads
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IUCOLTFAN Apr 12 2012, 11:21 AM Post #31
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great, bring up oj from 20 years ago...not the same case, no high profile figure, not even the same ballpark...but whatever, I'm done with this pissing match...I stated what I've read...you wanted facts, the facts are stating man 2...later days and better lays
I wasnt comparing the crimes....I was reminding you of the governments ability to convict. IMO, if a crime was truly commited under current Florida law then the prosecutor better be extremely confident that they can get a conviction....anything less and it is gonna be world war 3 in your mothers back yard. There are quite a few legal "talking heads" already saying that they think, due to the complexity of this case, that the state is over-shooting with the murder 2 charge. I am not a lawyer so I really dont know. This is gonna be very interesting when we finally do get to hear ALL of the "facts".....bits and pieces are not going to convict or free anyone, we need to hear it all.
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shooting out windows of cop cars is ok and justified?
Of course it's wrong, but if Zimmerman happens to be acquitted, shooting out a couple of windows will pale in comparison to what will ultimately go down.

That said, I realize he's up for murder in the 2nd, but I'm not sure what lesser charges are included at this point. Either way, if he walks out a free man, it probably won't just be the black community burning shit up. At this point, I think we're all sick of this nonsense.

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shooting out windows of cop cars is ok and justified?
Of course it's wrong, but if Zimmerman happens to be acquitted, shooting out a couple of windows will pale in comparison to what will ultimately go down.

That said, I realize he's up for murder in the 2nd, but I'm not sure what lesser charges are included at this point. Either way, if he walks out a free man, it probably won't just be the black community burning shit up. At this point, I think we're all sick of this nonsense.

I agree but it is been made way too big to avoid it now. The murder 2 surprises me a little. Not knowing all the aspects and current available details it is really hard to know what is going to happen. Hell, Martins own mother just stated that she thought it was an "accident".....I know that she wasn't speaking in legal terms but it does kind of show that at this point nobody really knows what happened. The lastest version of the 911 call I just heard brings more questions. Zimm clearly says "he ran" and the conversation after that is very calm, no heavy breathing (from running), no wind noise over phone like the first minute or so of the call....it sounds like Zimm is calm and stationary and possibly not in any pursuit or even moving.....maybe Martin did come back and confront him?? This trial is gonna be very interesting...
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shooting out windows of cop cars is ok and justified?
Of course it's wrong, but if Zimmerman happens to be acquitted, shooting out a couple of windows will pale in comparison to what will ultimately go down.

That said, I realize he's up for murder in the 2nd, but I'm not sure what lesser charges are included at this point. Either way, if he walks out a free man, it probably won't just be the black community burning shit up. At this point, I think we're all sick of this nonsense.

if he walks out a free man, it will primarily be the black community burning shit up. I won't be doing it, because the verdict means that there wasn't enough evidence to convict the man. The media spin and public opinion, fortunately, are not the final say in justice.
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This trial is gonna be very interesting...
I agree 100%.

Just think about what it took to even get to the point of this going to trial. That's the nonsense I'm talking about. In a nutshell, there's a 28 year old man that shot and killed an unarmed 17 year old kid. Whatever happened in the "middle" of all of this going down, the Sanford police simply took Zimmerman's word for it and let him walk out of jail hours after murdering a child.

Outrageous.

Agreed though, I watch In Session daily, and while this trial may not garner quite the hype that the Casey Anthony trial did, the aftermath of a possible acquittal sure will.
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shooting out windows of cop cars is ok and justified?
Of course it's wrong, but if Zimmerman happens to be acquitted, shooting out a couple of windows will pale in comparison to what will ultimately go down.

That said, I realize he's up for murder in the 2nd, but I'm not sure what lesser charges are included at this point. Either way, if he walks out a free man, it probably won't just be the black community burning shit up. At this point, I think we're all sick of this nonsense.

maybe Martin did come back and confront him?? This trial is gonna be very interesting...
no...bliver has made it clear that the facts prove that Zimmerman baited and killed Martin.
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the verdict means that there wasn't enough evidence to convict the man.
Apparently this wasn't enough evidence to convict four cops for beating a man while he was on the ground. The verdict was not guilty.


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And while we're talking about verdicts, I watched the O.J. Simpson trial in it's entirety. The jury wouldn't have convicted him if the murder was on video tape.

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And while we're talking about verdicts, I watched the O.J. Simpson trial in it's entirety. The jury wouldn't have convicted him if the murder was on video tape.

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The choices are scary.

1. A man who is proven guilty of a crime gets what he deserves.

2. An innocent man gets railroaded (innocent under current Florida law)

3. There is no guilty verdict and the mob feels that they were railroaded


Two of those possibilities are very scary. I hope for the sake of all involved that this prosecuter knows her shit and has the goods because if she doesn't, all hell is gonna break loose.
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the verdict means that there wasn't enough evidence to convict the man.
Apparently this wasn't enough evidence to convict four cops for beating a man while he was on the ground. The verdict was not guilty.


good point....I was pretty young for that one also, but what was the final reasoning given for not convicting the officers?
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I hope for the sake of all involved that this prosecuter knows her shit and has the goods because if she doesn't, all hell is gonna break loose.
I realize guarantee is a strong word, and I don't use it often, but hell breaking loose upon an acquittal will not be isolated to a particular city.

Even is Zimmerman is somehow innocent by what ultimately went down, I just don't see the masses accepting it. Like most people of average intelligence, I want to see the evidence under a microscope, and render my own verdict as a jury of his peers will do.

On the surface, and strictly IMO, it doesn't look good for Georgie boy on the surface. But then again, a 155 pound unarmed teenager is pretty scary even if you are chasing him and packing heat. ;)
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the verdict means that there wasn't enough evidence to convict the man.
Apparently this wasn't enough evidence to convict four cops for beating a man while he was on the ground. The verdict was not guilty.


good point....I was pretty young for that one also, but what was the final reasoning given for not convicting the officers?
They were white cops beating a black man. The cops stated that what he did BEFORE the tape rolled justified the beating.

Sad, isn't it?

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the verdict means that there wasn't enough evidence to convict the man.
Apparently this wasn't enough evidence to convict four cops for beating a man while he was on the ground. The verdict was not guilty.


good point....I was pretty young for that one also, but what was the final reasoning given for not convicting the officers?
They were white cops.

Sad, isn't it?

what was the reasoning "given"....I'm pretty sure they had an official response that didn't have "white cops" in it.
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the verdict means that there wasn't enough evidence to convict the man.
Apparently this wasn't enough evidence to convict four cops for beating a man while he was on the ground. The verdict was not guilty.


good point....I was pretty young for that one also, but what was the final reasoning given for not convicting the officers?
They were white cops.

Sad, isn't it?

what was the reasoning "given"....I'm pretty sure they had an official response that didn't have "white cops" in it.
Yep, edited my post up top, Aaron.

That was it, the cops claimed it was somehow warranted before the camera was rolling.
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What's interesting is that, in Florida I wonder if Rodney King would have been able to shoot these cops and claim Stand Your Ground Law.
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