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my bias, I'm just being honest...I'm not arguing the case, I'm saying it's not that big of a deal because there is no evidence I've seen yet that says martin was using any drugs that night. There was no paraphernalia found anywhere, no residue from a joint on martin's hands. Again, foregone conclusion he had pot in his system. If you're talking character, then what about zimmerman's former co-worker stating that zimmerman racially targeted him and bullied him at work...Touche
Gz's character flaws don't erase martins. Also we have no proof that he racially targeted someone. We do have proof of him defending a homeless black man though.
you are full of yourself...again...where is the proof that he defended a homeless black man? I know his father said that, is that your proof? Also, his co-worker was interviewed by the FBI and stated he was racially targeted and bullied by GZ, that's more tangible than zimmerman dad saying he defended a homeless man...and I'm guessing other co-workers can back that up...yea, I'm the bias one
bliver, I can't find any reports about the FBI interviewing the former co-worker, let along backing up his story. link please.
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my bias, I'm just being honest...I'm not arguing the case, I'm saying it's not that big of a deal because there is no evidence I've seen yet that says martin was using any drugs that night. There was no paraphernalia found anywhere, no residue from a joint on martin's hands. Again, foregone conclusion he had pot in his system. If you're talking character, then what about zimmerman's former co-worker stating that zimmerman racially targeted him and bullied him at work...Touche
Gz's character flaws don't erase martins. Also we have no proof that he racially targeted someone. We do have proof of him defending a homeless black man though.
you are full of yourself...again...where is the proof that he defended a homeless black man? I know his father said that, is that your proof? Also, his co-worker was interviewed by the FBI and stated he was racially targeted and bullied by GZ, that's more tangible than zimmerman dad saying he defended a homeless man...and I'm guessing other co-workers can back that up...yea, I'm the bias one
I'm not bias at all. It comes down to 2 big "ifs" for me. If gz caught up to tm and instigated the fight either physically or through verbal threats or harassment, then he is at fault and should at least be charged with manslaughter. If gz went back to his car while tm doubled back and assaulted gz, then he had a right to dEfend himself, which includes lethal force if his life was in danger.

Bliver you are by far and away the most bias poster on this subject. Just look at your various ridiculous assertions to date. I realize you have corrected many of them and that's fine. To claim that you aren't bias, however, is absurd.

I want justice based on the facts from both sides. You seem only interested in the facts from tm's side.
I'm no more biased than you, anyone reading this thread can see that...keep it up
wow....name 1 opinion that I have given on this case. Name 1 conclusion that I have jumped to. Name 1 false piece of information that I have given. good luck.
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my bias, I'm just being honest...I'm not arguing the case, I'm saying it's not that big of a deal because there is no evidence I've seen yet that says martin was using any drugs that night. There was no paraphernalia found anywhere, no residue from a joint on martin's hands. Again, foregone conclusion he had pot in his system. If you're talking character, then what about zimmerman's former co-worker stating that zimmerman racially targeted him and bullied him at work...Touche
Gz's character flaws don't erase martins. Also we have no proof that he racially targeted someone. We do have proof of him defending a homeless black man though.
you are full of yourself...again...where is the proof that he defended a homeless black man? I know his father said that, is that your proof? Also, his co-worker was interviewed by the FBI and stated he was racially targeted and bullied by GZ, that's more tangible than zimmerman dad saying he defended a homeless man...and I'm guessing other co-workers can back that up...yea, I'm the bias one
I'm not bias at all. It comes down to 2 big "ifs" for me. If gz caught up to tm and instigated the fight either physically or through verbal threats or harassment, then he is at fault and should at least be charged with manslaughter. If gz went back to his car while tm doubled back and assaulted gz, then he had a right to dEfend himself, which includes lethal force if his life was in danger.

Bliver you are by far and away the most bias poster on this subject. Just look at your various ridiculous assertions to date. I realize you have corrected many of them and that's fine. To claim that you aren't bias, however, is absurd.

I want justice based on the facts from both sides. You seem only interested in the facts from tm's side.
I'm no more biased than you, anyone reading this thread can see that...keep it up
wow....name 1 opinion that I have given on this case. Name 1 conclusion that I have jumped to. Name 1 false piece of information that I have given. good luck.
http://www.inquisitr.com/239453/george-zimmermans-former-co-worker-alleges-racist-remarks/

here's one of several, I may have been wrong saying the FBI interviewed him, but I thought I read that somewhere also, maybe a different article.
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my bias, I'm just being honest...I'm not arguing the case, I'm saying it's not that big of a deal because there is no evidence I've seen yet that says martin was using any drugs that night. There was no paraphernalia found anywhere, no residue from a joint on martin's hands. Again, foregone conclusion he had pot in his system. If you're talking character, then what about zimmerman's former co-worker stating that zimmerman racially targeted him and bullied him at work...Touche
Gz's character flaws don't erase martins. Also we have no proof that he racially targeted someone. We do have proof of him defending a homeless black man though.
you are full of yourself...again...where is the proof that he defended a homeless black man? I know his father said that, is that your proof? Also, his co-worker was interviewed by the FBI and stated he was racially targeted and bullied by GZ, that's more tangible than zimmerman dad saying he defended a homeless man...and I'm guessing other co-workers can back that up...yea, I'm the bias one
I'm not bias at all. It comes down to 2 big "ifs" for me. If gz caught up to tm and instigated the fight either physically or through verbal threats or harassment, then he is at fault and should at least be charged with manslaughter. If gz went back to his car while tm doubled back and assaulted gz, then he had a right to dEfend himself, which includes lethal force if his life was in danger.

Bliver you are by far and away the most bias poster on this subject. Just look at your various ridiculous assertions to date. I realize you have corrected many of them and that's fine. To claim that you aren't bias, however, is absurd.

I want justice based on the facts from both sides. You seem only interested in the facts from tm's side.
I'm no more biased than you, anyone reading this thread can see that...keep it up
wow....name 1 opinion that I have given on this case. Name 1 conclusion that I have jumped to. Name 1 false piece of information that I have given. good luck.
I'm not playing your gotcha game aaron
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my bias, I'm just being honest...I'm not arguing the case, I'm saying it's not that big of a deal because there is no evidence I've seen yet that says martin was using any drugs that night. There was no paraphernalia found anywhere, no residue from a joint on martin's hands. Again, foregone conclusion he had pot in his system. If you're talking character, then what about zimmerman's former co-worker stating that zimmerman racially targeted him and bullied him at work...Touche
Gz's character flaws don't erase martins. Also we have no proof that he racially targeted someone. We do have proof of him defending a homeless black man though.
you are full of yourself...again...where is the proof that he defended a homeless black man? I know his father said that, is that your proof? Also, his co-worker was interviewed by the FBI and stated he was racially targeted and bullied by GZ, that's more tangible than zimmerman dad saying he defended a homeless man...and I'm guessing other co-workers can back that up...yea, I'm the bias one
I'm not bias at all. It comes down to 2 big "ifs" for me. If gz caught up to tm and instigated the fight either physically or through verbal threats or harassment, then he is at fault and should at least be charged with manslaughter. If gz went back to his car while tm doubled back and assaulted gz, then he had a right to dEfend himself, which includes lethal force if his life was in danger.

Bliver you are by far and away the most bias poster on this subject. Just look at your various ridiculous assertions to date. I realize you have corrected many of them and that's fine. To claim that you aren't bias, however, is absurd.

I want justice based on the facts from both sides. You seem only interested in the facts from tm's side.
I'm no more biased than you, anyone reading this thread can see that...keep it up
wow....name 1 opinion that I have given on this case. Name 1 conclusion that I have jumped to. Name 1 false piece of information that I have given. good luck.
I'm not playing your gotcha game aaron
I wouldn't either if I were you...because you can't back your statement up. My bias is in the favor of fair and equal justice, and that is what I have defended on here. I feel that if Martin came back and attacked Zimmerman then Zimmerman had a right to defend himself at that time. If Zimmerman pursued Martin and started the physical confrontation, including using verbal threats or inimidation, then Martin is the one with the right to defend himself and Zimmerman should be convicted. How is that bias?

You on the other hand, just had to admit to yet another false statement against Zimmerman.....yeah, we're equally bias :blink:
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my bias, I'm just being honest...I'm not arguing the case, I'm saying it's not that big of a deal because there is no evidence I've seen yet that says martin was using any drugs that night. There was no paraphernalia found anywhere, no residue from a joint on martin's hands. Again, foregone conclusion he had pot in his system. If you're talking character, then what about zimmerman's former co-worker stating that zimmerman racially targeted him and bullied him at work...Touche
Gz's character flaws don't erase martins. Also we have no proof that he racially targeted someone. We do have proof of him defending a homeless black man though.
you are full of yourself...again...where is the proof that he defended a homeless black man? I know his father said that, is that your proof? Also, his co-worker was interviewed by the FBI and stated he was racially targeted and bullied by GZ, that's more tangible than zimmerman dad saying he defended a homeless man...and I'm guessing other co-workers can back that up...yea, I'm the bias one
I'm not bias at all. It comes down to 2 big "ifs" for me. If gz caught up to tm and instigated the fight either physically or through verbal threats or harassment, then he is at fault and should at least be charged with manslaughter. If gz went back to his car while tm doubled back and assaulted gz, then he had a right to dEfend himself, which includes lethal force if his life was in danger.

Bliver you are by far and away the most bias poster on this subject. Just look at your various ridiculous assertions to date. I realize you have corrected many of them and that's fine. To claim that you aren't bias, however, is absurd.

I want justice based on the facts from both sides. You seem only interested in the facts from tm's side.
I'm no more biased than you, anyone reading this thread can see that...keep it up
wow....name 1 opinion that I have given on this case. Name 1 conclusion that I have jumped to. Name 1 false piece of information that I have given. good luck.
http://www.inquisitr.com/239453/george-zimmermans-former-co-worker-alleges-racist-remarks/

here's one of several, I may have been wrong saying the FBI interviewed him, but I thought I read that somewhere also, maybe a different article.
I've read that...but you SPECIFICALLY tried to add credibility to this person's statement by claiming that it was backed up by the FBI vs. Zimmerman defending a homeless black man lacking credibility because it was just something that his Dad claimed. Now...in reality the FBI never backed up that claim and hasn't even interviewed the coworker, and there are public records of Zimmerman defending the black man, including a flyer that her distributed throughout the Sanford area at the time.

None of the above makes Zimmerman guilty or innocent, however it further illustrates how you continue to use false information to make outrageous claims, meanwhile claiming that I am somehow the bias one.
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my bias, I'm just being honest...I'm not arguing the case, I'm saying it's not that big of a deal because there is no evidence I've seen yet that says martin was using any drugs that night. There was no paraphernalia found anywhere, no residue from a joint on martin's hands. Again, foregone conclusion he had pot in his system. If you're talking character, then what about zimmerman's former co-worker stating that zimmerman racially targeted him and bullied him at work...Touche
Gz's character flaws don't erase martins. Also we have no proof that he racially targeted someone. We do have proof of him defending a homeless black man though.
you are full of yourself...again...where is the proof that he defended a homeless black man? I know his father said that, is that your proof? Also, his co-worker was interviewed by the FBI and stated he was racially targeted and bullied by GZ, that's more tangible than zimmerman dad saying he defended a homeless man...and I'm guessing other co-workers can back that up...yea, I'm the bias one
I'm not bias at all. It comes down to 2 big "ifs" for me. If gz caught up to tm and instigated the fight either physically or through verbal threats or harassment, then he is at fault and should at least be charged with manslaughter. If gz went back to his car while tm doubled back and assaulted gz, then he had a right to dEfend himself, which includes lethal force if his life was in danger.

Bliver you are by far and away the most bias poster on this subject. Just look at your various ridiculous assertions to date. I realize you have corrected many of them and that's fine. To claim that you aren't bias, however, is absurd.

I want justice based on the facts from both sides. You seem only interested in the facts from tm's side.
I'm no more biased than you, anyone reading this thread can see that...keep it up
wow....name 1 opinion that I have given on this case. Name 1 conclusion that I have jumped to. Name 1 false piece of information that I have given. good luck.
http://www.inquisitr.com/239453/george-zimmermans-former-co-worker-alleges-racist-remarks/

here's one of several, I may have been wrong saying the FBI interviewed him, but I thought I read that somewhere also, maybe a different article.
I've read that...but you SPECIFICALLY tried to add credibility to this person's statement by claiming that it was backed up by the FBI vs. Zimmerman defending a homeless black man lacking credibility because it was just something that his Dad claimed. Now...in reality the FBI never backed up that claim and hasn't even interviewed the coworker, and there are public records of Zimmerman defending the black man, including a flyer that her distributed throughout the Sanford area at the time.

None of the above makes Zimmerman guilty or innocent, however it further illustrates how you continue to use false information to make outrageous claims, meanwhile claiming that I am somehow the bias one.
You are biased Aaron. Everyone is.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin
This Wiki account looks reasonably comprehensive.

I think it seems likely that gz was the one calling out for help, as his ass was the one being kicked.
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You are biased Aaron. Everyone is.


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my bias, I'm just being honest...I'm not arguing the case, I'm saying it's not that big of a deal because there is no evidence I've seen yet that says martin was using any drugs that night. There was no paraphernalia found anywhere, no residue from a joint on martin's hands. Again, foregone conclusion he had pot in his system. If you're talking character, then what about zimmerman's former co-worker stating that zimmerman racially targeted him and bullied him at work...Touche
Gz's character flaws don't erase martins. Also we have no proof that he racially targeted someone. We do have proof of him defending a homeless black man though.
you are full of yourself...again...where is the proof that he defended a homeless black man? I know his father said that, is that your proof? Also, his co-worker was interviewed by the FBI and stated he was racially targeted and bullied by GZ, that's more tangible than zimmerman dad saying he defended a homeless man...and I'm guessing other co-workers can back that up...yea, I'm the bias one
I'm not bias at all. It comes down to 2 big "ifs" for me. If gz caught up to tm and instigated the fight either physically or through verbal threats or harassment, then he is at fault and should at least be charged with manslaughter. If gz went back to his car while tm doubled back and assaulted gz, then he had a right to dEfend himself, which includes lethal force if his life was in danger.

Bliver you are by far and away the most bias poster on this subject. Just look at your various ridiculous assertions to date. I realize you have corrected many of them and that's fine. To claim that you aren't bias, however, is absurd.

I want justice based on the facts from both sides. You seem only interested in the facts from tm's side.
I'm no more biased than you, anyone reading this thread can see that...keep it up
wow....name 1 opinion that I have given on this case. Name 1 conclusion that I have jumped to. Name 1 false piece of information that I have given. good luck.
http://www.inquisitr.com/239453/george-zimmermans-former-co-worker-alleges-racist-remarks/

here's one of several, I may have been wrong saying the FBI interviewed him, but I thought I read that somewhere also, maybe a different article.
I've read that...but you SPECIFICALLY tried to add credibility to this person's statement by claiming that it was backed up by the FBI vs. Zimmerman defending a homeless black man lacking credibility because it was just something that his Dad claimed. Now...in reality the FBI never backed up that claim and hasn't even interviewed the coworker, and there are public records of Zimmerman defending the black man, including a flyer that her distributed throughout the Sanford area at the time.

None of the above makes Zimmerman guilty or innocent, however it further illustrates how you continue to use false information to make outrageous claims, meanwhile claiming that I am somehow the bias one.
You are biased Aaron. Everyone is.


yep....but the funny thing is that regarding this story I am actually biased in the opposite direction from what everyone seems to think. I've even dropped a few hints in that regard, but a few people are so dedicated to their preconceived notion that they can't even pick them up. My guess is that you and probably brum, on the other hand, have started to figure it out.
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my bias, I'm just being honest...I'm not arguing the case, I'm saying it's not that big of a deal because there is no evidence I've seen yet that says martin was using any drugs that night. There was no paraphernalia found anywhere, no residue from a joint on martin's hands. Again, foregone conclusion he had pot in his system. If you're talking character, then what about zimmerman's former co-worker stating that zimmerman racially targeted him and bullied him at work...Touche
Gz's character flaws don't erase martins. Also we have no proof that he racially targeted someone. We do have proof of him defending a homeless black man though.
you are full of yourself...again...where is the proof that he defended a homeless black man? I know his father said that, is that your proof? Also, his co-worker was interviewed by the FBI and stated he was racially targeted and bullied by GZ, that's more tangible than zimmerman dad saying he defended a homeless man...and I'm guessing other co-workers can back that up...yea, I'm the bias one
I'm not bias at all. It comes down to 2 big "ifs" for me. If gz caught up to tm and instigated the fight either physically or through verbal threats or harassment, then he is at fault and should at least be charged with manslaughter. If gz went back to his car while tm doubled back and assaulted gz, then he had a right to dEfend himself, which includes lethal force if his life was in danger.

Bliver you are by far and away the most bias poster on this subject. Just look at your various ridiculous assertions to date. I realize you have corrected many of them and that's fine. To claim that you aren't bias, however, is absurd.

I want justice based on the facts from both sides. You seem only interested in the facts from tm's side.
I'm no more biased than you, anyone reading this thread can see that...keep it up
wow....name 1 opinion that I have given on this case. Name 1 conclusion that I have jumped to. Name 1 false piece of information that I have given. good luck.
http://www.inquisitr.com/239453/george-zimmermans-former-co-worker-alleges-racist-remarks/

here's one of several, I may have been wrong saying the FBI interviewed him, but I thought I read that somewhere also, maybe a different article.
I've read that...but you SPECIFICALLY tried to add credibility to this person's statement by claiming that it was backed up by the FBI vs. Zimmerman defending a homeless black man lacking credibility because it was just something that his Dad claimed. Now...in reality the FBI never backed up that claim and hasn't even interviewed the coworker, and there are public records of Zimmerman defending the black man, including a flyer that her distributed throughout the Sanford area at the time.

None of the above makes Zimmerman guilty or innocent, however it further illustrates how you continue to use false information to make outrageous claims, meanwhile claiming that I am somehow the bias one.
wow, ok aaron...I didn't think it was that big of deal if the FBI or District Atorney said it, I thought it was the FBI, I've been reading up on the case lately, obviously. I'm not trying to interject anything, I assure you.

I agree with everything you said, I just don't think you've been saying it very long. It was the issue of character remember? You said marijuana would be a big character issue for martin, will this instance and his arrest be issues for GZ too? I'm playing devils advocate just like you, so stop with the pissing match. I'm bias as much as you or anyone else. the fact that this was preventable is all I need to know, and there should be some sort of punishment, it's to bad there probably won't be one. The worst part is if GZ gets off, he can carry a gun again. I don't think he acted responsible, and for the life of me I'll never know why any person can pull a gun out and shoot someone because they are in a fight. you kick someones ass, you get your ass kicked...you go home. A great majority of people don't die in a fight, and I personally don't think GZ would have either. Carrying a gun only drove this situation to the worst possible outcome.

Sorry I'm human and show a little emotion, this isn't a law class is it?
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my bias, I'm just being honest...I'm not arguing the case, I'm saying it's not that big of a deal because there is no evidence I've seen yet that says martin was using any drugs that night. There was no paraphernalia found anywhere, no residue from a joint on martin's hands. Again, foregone conclusion he had pot in his system. If you're talking character, then what about zimmerman's former co-worker stating that zimmerman racially targeted him and bullied him at work...Touche
Gz's character flaws don't erase martins. Also we have no proof that he racially targeted someone. We do have proof of him defending a homeless black man though.
you are full of yourself...again...where is the proof that he defended a homeless black man? I know his father said that, is that your proof? Also, his co-worker was interviewed by the FBI and stated he was racially targeted and bullied by GZ, that's more tangible than zimmerman dad saying he defended a homeless man...and I'm guessing other co-workers can back that up...yea, I'm the bias one
I'm not bias at all. It comes down to 2 big "ifs" for me. If gz caught up to tm and instigated the fight either physically or through verbal threats or harassment, then he is at fault and should at least be charged with manslaughter. If gz went back to his car while tm doubled back and assaulted gz, then he had a right to dEfend himself, which includes lethal force if his life was in danger.

Bliver you are by far and away the most bias poster on this subject. Just look at your various ridiculous assertions to date. I realize you have corrected many of them and that's fine. To claim that you aren't bias, however, is absurd.

I want justice based on the facts from both sides. You seem only interested in the facts from tm's side.
I'm no more biased than you, anyone reading this thread can see that...keep it up
wow....name 1 opinion that I have given on this case. Name 1 conclusion that I have jumped to. Name 1 false piece of information that I have given. good luck.
http://www.inquisitr.com/239453/george-zimmermans-former-co-worker-alleges-racist-remarks/

here's one of several, I may have been wrong saying the FBI interviewed him, but I thought I read that somewhere also, maybe a different article.
I've read that...but you SPECIFICALLY tried to add credibility to this person's statement by claiming that it was backed up by the FBI vs. Zimmerman defending a homeless black man lacking credibility because it was just something that his Dad claimed. Now...in reality the FBI never backed up that claim and hasn't even interviewed the coworker, and there are public records of Zimmerman defending the black man, including a flyer that her distributed throughout the Sanford area at the time.

None of the above makes Zimmerman guilty or innocent, however it further illustrates how you continue to use false information to make outrageous claims, meanwhile claiming that I am somehow the bias one.
wow, ok aaron...I didn't think it was that big of deal if the FBI or District Atorney said it, I thought it was the FBI, I've been reading up on the case lately, obviously. I'm not trying to interject anything, I assure you.

I agree with everything you said, I just don't think you've been saying it very long. It was the issue of character remember? You said marijuana would be a big character issue for martin, will this instance and his arrest be issues for GZ too? I'm playing devils advocate just like you, so stop with the pissing match. I'm bias as much as you or anyone else. the fact that this was preventable is all I need to know, and there should be some sort of punishment, it's to bad there probably won't be one. The worst part is if GZ gets off, he can carry a gun again. I don't think he acted responsible, and for the life of me I'll never know why any person can pull a gun out and shoot someone because they are in a fight. you kick someones ass, you get your ass kicked...you go home. A great majority of people don't die in a fight, and I personally don't think GZ would have either. Carrying a gun only drove this situation to the worst possible outcome.

Sorry I'm human and show a little emotion, this isn't a law class is it?
ok, I will take you at your word...I do think, however, that most people would find a claim much more credible if the claim had been investigated and was being backed up by the FBI...otherwise it could just be somebody who doesn't like Zimmerman and is mouthing off.

It is true that I haven't been saying that since the beginning...I didn't change my mind, rather I reserved judgement until further information was released, and I spent most of my posts refuting those who wouldn't do the same. I started the 1st thread on this topic showing that NBC doctored the audio to create public perception of some racist targeting and hunting down black kids, which I think is disgusting and could result in tragedies equal to the one that they are doctoring to begin with (race wars often result in many innocent deaths).

The vast majority of my posts in here were refuting false statements and conclusions, such as that GZ is racist, he was ordered to stay in the truck, GZ was on top in the fight, he didn't sustain any injuries...etc etc. Having an opinion is one thing, but to present it as fact is something that really bothers me, and definitely won't hold up in a court of law where GZ is innocent until proven guilty.
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my bias, I'm just being honest...I'm not arguing the case, I'm saying it's not that big of a deal because there is no evidence I've seen yet that says martin was using any drugs that night. There was no paraphernalia found anywhere, no residue from a joint on martin's hands. Again, foregone conclusion he had pot in his system. If you're talking character, then what about zimmerman's former co-worker stating that zimmerman racially targeted him and bullied him at work...Touche
Gz's character flaws don't erase martins. Also we have no proof that he racially targeted someone. We do have proof of him defending a homeless black man though.
you are full of yourself...again...where is the proof that he defended a homeless black man? I know his father said that, is that your proof? Also, his co-worker was interviewed by the FBI and stated he was racially targeted and bullied by GZ, that's more tangible than zimmerman dad saying he defended a homeless man...and I'm guessing other co-workers can back that up...yea, I'm the bias one
I'm not bias at all. It comes down to 2 big "ifs" for me. If gz caught up to tm and instigated the fight either physically or through verbal threats or harassment, then he is at fault and should at least be charged with manslaughter. If gz went back to his car while tm doubled back and assaulted gz, then he had a right to dEfend himself, which includes lethal force if his life was in danger.

Bliver you are by far and away the most bias poster on this subject. Just look at your various ridiculous assertions to date. I realize you have corrected many of them and that's fine. To claim that you aren't bias, however, is absurd.

I want justice based on the facts from both sides. You seem only interested in the facts from tm's side.
I'm no more biased than you, anyone reading this thread can see that...keep it up
wow....name 1 opinion that I have given on this case. Name 1 conclusion that I have jumped to. Name 1 false piece of information that I have given. good luck.
http://www.inquisitr.com/239453/george-zimmermans-former-co-worker-alleges-racist-remarks/

here's one of several, I may have been wrong saying the FBI interviewed him, but I thought I read that somewhere also, maybe a different article.
I've read that...but you SPECIFICALLY tried to add credibility to this person's statement by claiming that it was backed up by the FBI vs. Zimmerman defending a homeless black man lacking credibility because it was just something that his Dad claimed. Now...in reality the FBI never backed up that claim and hasn't even interviewed the coworker, and there are public records of Zimmerman defending the black man, including a flyer that her distributed throughout the Sanford area at the time.

None of the above makes Zimmerman guilty or innocent, however it further illustrates how you continue to use false information to make outrageous claims, meanwhile claiming that I am somehow the bias one.
wow, ok aaron...I didn't think it was that big of deal if the FBI or District Atorney said it, I thought it was the FBI, I've been reading up on the case lately, obviously. I'm not trying to interject anything, I assure you.

I agree with everything you said, I just don't think you've been saying it very long. It was the issue of character remember? You said marijuana would be a big character issue for martin, will this instance and his arrest be issues for GZ too? I'm playing devils advocate just like you, so stop with the pissing match. I'm bias as much as you or anyone else. the fact that this was preventable is all I need to know, and there should be some sort of punishment, it's to bad there probably won't be one. The worst part is if GZ gets off, he can carry a gun again. I don't think he acted responsible, and for the life of me I'll never know why any person can pull a gun out and shoot someone because they are in a fight. you kick someones ass, you get your ass kicked...you go home. A great majority of people don't die in a fight, and I personally don't think GZ would have either. Carrying a gun only drove this situation to the worst possible outcome.

Sorry I'm human and show a little emotion, this isn't a law class is it?
ok, I will take you at your word...I do think, however, that most people would find a claim much more credible if the claim had been investigated and was being backed up by the FBI...otherwise it could just be somebody who doesn't like Zimmerman and is mouthing off.

It is true that I haven't been saying that since the beginning...I didn't change my mind, rather I reserved judgement until further information was released, and I spent most of my posts refuting those who wouldn't do the same. I started the 1st thread on this topic showing that NBC doctored the audio to create public perception of some racist targeting and hunting down black kids, which I think is disgusting and could result in tragedies equal to the one that they are doctoring to begin with (race wars often result in many innocent deaths).

The vast majority of my posts in here were refuting false statements and conclusions, such as that GZ is racist, he was ordered to stay in the truck, GZ was on top in the fight, he didn't sustain any injuries...etc etc. Having an opinion is one thing, but to present it as fact is something that really bothers me, and definitely won't hold up in a court of law where GZ is innocent until proven guilty.
well I suppose the co-workers claim can easily be refuted because he complained to HR, so there will be a record of that, plus the co-worker stated he did this in front of other employees, so again...we'll see, it isn't wrong of me to post this is it? do you think I'm rushing to some judgement by posting this? I'm not, I'm just posting something I read on a topic we are discussing involving character issues.
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