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my bias, I'm just being honest...I'm not arguing the case, I'm saying it's not that big of a deal because there is no evidence I've seen yet that says martin was using any drugs that night. There was no paraphernalia found anywhere, no residue from a joint on martin's hands. Again, foregone conclusion he had pot in his system. If you're talking character, then what about zimmerman's former co-worker stating that zimmerman racially targeted him and bullied him at work...Touche
Gz's character flaws don't erase martins. Also we have no proof that he racially targeted someone. We do have proof of him defending a homeless black man though.
you are full of yourself...again...where is the proof that he defended a homeless black man? I know his father said that, is that your proof? Also, his co-worker was interviewed by the FBI and stated he was racially targeted and bullied by GZ, that's more tangible than zimmerman dad saying he defended a homeless man...and I'm guessing other co-workers can back that up...yea, I'm the bias one
I'm not bias at all. It comes down to 2 big "ifs" for me. If gz caught up to tm and instigated the fight either physically or through verbal threats or harassment, then he is at fault and should at least be charged with manslaughter. If gz went back to his car while tm doubled back and assaulted gz, then he had a right to dEfend himself, which includes lethal force if his life was in danger.

Bliver you are by far and away the most bias poster on this subject. Just look at your various ridiculous assertions to date. I realize you have corrected many of them and that's fine. To claim that you aren't bias, however, is absurd.

I want justice based on the facts from both sides. You seem only interested in the facts from tm's side.
I'm no more biased than you, anyone reading this thread can see that...keep it up
wow....name 1 opinion that I have given on this case. Name 1 conclusion that I have jumped to. Name 1 false piece of information that I have given. good luck.
http://www.inquisitr.com/239453/george-zimmermans-former-co-worker-alleges-racist-remarks/

here's one of several, I may have been wrong saying the FBI interviewed him, but I thought I read that somewhere also, maybe a different article.
I've read that...but you SPECIFICALLY tried to add credibility to this person's statement by claiming that it was backed up by the FBI vs. Zimmerman defending a homeless black man lacking credibility because it was just something that his Dad claimed. Now...in reality the FBI never backed up that claim and hasn't even interviewed the coworker, and there are public records of Zimmerman defending the black man, including a flyer that her distributed throughout the Sanford area at the time.

None of the above makes Zimmerman guilty or innocent, however it further illustrates how you continue to use false information to make outrageous claims, meanwhile claiming that I am somehow the bias one.
wow, ok aaron...I didn't think it was that big of deal if the FBI or District Atorney said it, I thought it was the FBI, I've been reading up on the case lately, obviously. I'm not trying to interject anything, I assure you.

I agree with everything you said, I just don't think you've been saying it very long. It was the issue of character remember? You said marijuana would be a big character issue for martin, will this instance and his arrest be issues for GZ too? I'm playing devils advocate just like you, so stop with the pissing match. I'm bias as much as you or anyone else. the fact that this was preventable is all I need to know, and there should be some sort of punishment, it's to bad there probably won't be one. The worst part is if GZ gets off, he can carry a gun again. I don't think he acted responsible, and for the life of me I'll never know why any person can pull a gun out and shoot someone because they are in a fight. you kick someones ass, you get your ass kicked...you go home. A great majority of people don't die in a fight, and I personally don't think GZ would have either. Carrying a gun only drove this situation to the worst possible outcome.

Sorry I'm human and show a little emotion, this isn't a law class is it?
ok, I will take you at your word...I do think, however, that most people would find a claim much more credible if the claim had been investigated and was being backed up by the FBI...otherwise it could just be somebody who doesn't like Zimmerman and is mouthing off.

It is true that I haven't been saying that since the beginning...I didn't change my mind, rather I reserved judgement until further information was released, and I spent most of my posts refuting those who wouldn't do the same. I started the 1st thread on this topic showing that NBC doctored the audio to create public perception of some racist targeting and hunting down black kids, which I think is disgusting and could result in tragedies equal to the one that they are doctoring to begin with (race wars often result in many innocent deaths).

The vast majority of my posts in here were refuting false statements and conclusions, such as that GZ is racist, he was ordered to stay in the truck, GZ was on top in the fight, he didn't sustain any injuries...etc etc. Having an opinion is one thing, but to present it as fact is something that really bothers me, and definitely won't hold up in a court of law where GZ is innocent until proven guilty.
If you want my opinion of what really happened, I'm still trying to form one, and based on what we know, I'm not sure that I will ever have it fully formed. I don't believe all of Zimmerman's story, but I also believe that if Martin wanted to get away, he would have been able to. I think Zimmerman should have stayed in the car. I have no idea how the actual fight got started (and probably never will), which is the biggest missing piece in my opinion puzzle. Even if TM did double back or confront GZ someway, that doesn't mean that he started the fight. I think the only scenario where GZ is justified in shooting TM is the story that he gave (which will likely be the only story we ever hear). Carrying a lethal weapon comes with a responsibility to avoid having to use it.

I think that if someone follows my daughter like that, I will be the one on trial.


Anything wrong with that????
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you are full of yourself...again...where is the proof that he defended a homeless black man? I know his father said that, is that your proof? Also, his co-worker was interviewed by the FBI and stated he was racially targeted and bullied by GZ, that's more tangible than zimmerman dad saying he defended a homeless man...and I'm guessing other co-workers can back that up...yea, I'm the bias one
I'm not bias at all. It comes down to 2 big "ifs" for me. If gz caught up to tm and instigated the fight either physically or through verbal threats or harassment, then he is at fault and should at least be charged with manslaughter. If gz went back to his car while tm doubled back and assaulted gz, then he had a right to dEfend himself, which includes lethal force if his life was in danger.

Bliver you are by far and away the most bias poster on this subject. Just look at your various ridiculous assertions to date. I realize you have corrected many of them and that's fine. To claim that you aren't bias, however, is absurd.

I want justice based on the facts from both sides. You seem only interested in the facts from tm's side.
I'm no more biased than you, anyone reading this thread can see that...keep it up
wow....name 1 opinion that I have given on this case. Name 1 conclusion that I have jumped to. Name 1 false piece of information that I have given. good luck.
http://www.inquisitr.com/239453/george-zimmermans-former-co-worker-alleges-racist-remarks/

here's one of several, I may have been wrong saying the FBI interviewed him, but I thought I read that somewhere also, maybe a different article.
I've read that...but you SPECIFICALLY tried to add credibility to this person's statement by claiming that it was backed up by the FBI vs. Zimmerman defending a homeless black man lacking credibility because it was just something that his Dad claimed. Now...in reality the FBI never backed up that claim and hasn't even interviewed the coworker, and there are public records of Zimmerman defending the black man, including a flyer that her distributed throughout the Sanford area at the time.

None of the above makes Zimmerman guilty or innocent, however it further illustrates how you continue to use false information to make outrageous claims, meanwhile claiming that I am somehow the bias one.
wow, ok aaron...I didn't think it was that big of deal if the FBI or District Atorney said it, I thought it was the FBI, I've been reading up on the case lately, obviously. I'm not trying to interject anything, I assure you.

I agree with everything you said, I just don't think you've been saying it very long. It was the issue of character remember? You said marijuana would be a big character issue for martin, will this instance and his arrest be issues for GZ too? I'm playing devils advocate just like you, so stop with the pissing match. I'm bias as much as you or anyone else. the fact that this was preventable is all I need to know, and there should be some sort of punishment, it's to bad there probably won't be one. The worst part is if GZ gets off, he can carry a gun again. I don't think he acted responsible, and for the life of me I'll never know why any person can pull a gun out and shoot someone because they are in a fight. you kick someones ass, you get your ass kicked...you go home. A great majority of people don't die in a fight, and I personally don't think GZ would have either. Carrying a gun only drove this situation to the worst possible outcome.

Sorry I'm human and show a little emotion, this isn't a law class is it?
ok, I will take you at your word...I do think, however, that most people would find a claim much more credible if the claim had been investigated and was being backed up by the FBI...otherwise it could just be somebody who doesn't like Zimmerman and is mouthing off.

It is true that I haven't been saying that since the beginning...I didn't change my mind, rather I reserved judgement until further information was released, and I spent most of my posts refuting those who wouldn't do the same. I started the 1st thread on this topic showing that NBC doctored the audio to create public perception of some racist targeting and hunting down black kids, which I think is disgusting and could result in tragedies equal to the one that they are doctoring to begin with (race wars often result in many innocent deaths).

The vast majority of my posts in here were refuting false statements and conclusions, such as that GZ is racist, he was ordered to stay in the truck, GZ was on top in the fight, he didn't sustain any injuries...etc etc. Having an opinion is one thing, but to present it as fact is something that really bothers me, and definitely won't hold up in a court of law where GZ is innocent until proven guilty.
If you want my opinion of what really happened, I'm still trying to form one, and based on what we know, I'm not sure that I will ever have it fully formed. I don't believe all of Zimmerman's story, but I also believe that if Martin wanted to get away, he would have been able to. I think Zimmerman should have stayed in the car. I have no idea how the actual fight got started (and probably never will), which is the biggest missing piece in my opinion puzzle. Even if TM did double back or confront GZ someway, that doesn't mean that he started the fight. I think the only scenario where GZ is justified in shooting TM is the story that he gave (which will likely be the only story we ever hear). Carrying a lethal weapon comes with a responsibility to avoid having to use it.

I think that if someone follows my daughter like that, I will be the one on trial.


Anything wrong with that????
anything wrong with that...nothing, other than the fact that you said carrying a lethal weapon comes with a responsibility to avoid having to use it.

Then the very next sentence you state how you could use it in an irresponsible way, now maybe you mean you would be on trial for beating the guy to a pulp, not trying to put words in your mouth. guns do a lot more harm than good when it comes to everyday citizens carrying them around. We can disagree on that, I'm alright with that, but that's part of the outrage you don't accept because it's legal. I'm ok with that, I don't have to agree with it because it's legal. I have guns, I've never felt the need to carry one around with me.
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I'm not bias at all. It comes down to 2 big "ifs" for me. If gz caught up to tm and instigated the fight either physically or through verbal threats or harassment, then he is at fault and should at least be charged with manslaughter. If gz went back to his car while tm doubled back and assaulted gz, then he had a right to dEfend himself, which includes lethal force if his life was in danger.

Bliver you are by far and away the most bias poster on this subject. Just look at your various ridiculous assertions to date. I realize you have corrected many of them and that's fine. To claim that you aren't bias, however, is absurd.

I want justice based on the facts from both sides. You seem only interested in the facts from tm's side.
I'm no more biased than you, anyone reading this thread can see that...keep it up
wow....name 1 opinion that I have given on this case. Name 1 conclusion that I have jumped to. Name 1 false piece of information that I have given. good luck.
http://www.inquisitr.com/239453/george-zimmermans-former-co-worker-alleges-racist-remarks/

here's one of several, I may have been wrong saying the FBI interviewed him, but I thought I read that somewhere also, maybe a different article.
I've read that...but you SPECIFICALLY tried to add credibility to this person's statement by claiming that it was backed up by the FBI vs. Zimmerman defending a homeless black man lacking credibility because it was just something that his Dad claimed. Now...in reality the FBI never backed up that claim and hasn't even interviewed the coworker, and there are public records of Zimmerman defending the black man, including a flyer that her distributed throughout the Sanford area at the time.

None of the above makes Zimmerman guilty or innocent, however it further illustrates how you continue to use false information to make outrageous claims, meanwhile claiming that I am somehow the bias one.
wow, ok aaron...I didn't think it was that big of deal if the FBI or District Atorney said it, I thought it was the FBI, I've been reading up on the case lately, obviously. I'm not trying to interject anything, I assure you.

I agree with everything you said, I just don't think you've been saying it very long. It was the issue of character remember? You said marijuana would be a big character issue for martin, will this instance and his arrest be issues for GZ too? I'm playing devils advocate just like you, so stop with the pissing match. I'm bias as much as you or anyone else. the fact that this was preventable is all I need to know, and there should be some sort of punishment, it's to bad there probably won't be one. The worst part is if GZ gets off, he can carry a gun again. I don't think he acted responsible, and for the life of me I'll never know why any person can pull a gun out and shoot someone because they are in a fight. you kick someones ass, you get your ass kicked...you go home. A great majority of people don't die in a fight, and I personally don't think GZ would have either. Carrying a gun only drove this situation to the worst possible outcome.

Sorry I'm human and show a little emotion, this isn't a law class is it?
ok, I will take you at your word...I do think, however, that most people would find a claim much more credible if the claim had been investigated and was being backed up by the FBI...otherwise it could just be somebody who doesn't like Zimmerman and is mouthing off.

It is true that I haven't been saying that since the beginning...I didn't change my mind, rather I reserved judgement until further information was released, and I spent most of my posts refuting those who wouldn't do the same. I started the 1st thread on this topic showing that NBC doctored the audio to create public perception of some racist targeting and hunting down black kids, which I think is disgusting and could result in tragedies equal to the one that they are doctoring to begin with (race wars often result in many innocent deaths).

The vast majority of my posts in here were refuting false statements and conclusions, such as that GZ is racist, he was ordered to stay in the truck, GZ was on top in the fight, he didn't sustain any injuries...etc etc. Having an opinion is one thing, but to present it as fact is something that really bothers me, and definitely won't hold up in a court of law where GZ is innocent until proven guilty.
If you want my opinion of what really happened, I'm still trying to form one, and based on what we know, I'm not sure that I will ever have it fully formed. I don't believe all of Zimmerman's story, but I also believe that if Martin wanted to get away, he would have been able to. I think Zimmerman should have stayed in the car. I have no idea how the actual fight got started (and probably never will), which is the biggest missing piece in my opinion puzzle. Even if TM did double back or confront GZ someway, that doesn't mean that he started the fight. I think the only scenario where GZ is justified in shooting TM is the story that he gave (which will likely be the only story we ever hear). Carrying a lethal weapon comes with a responsibility to avoid having to use it.

I think that if someone follows my daughter like that, I will be the one on trial.


Anything wrong with that????
anything wrong with that...nothing, other than the fact that you said carrying a lethal weapon comes with a responsibility to avoid having to use it.

Then the very next sentence you state how you could use it in an irresponsible way, now maybe you mean you would be on trial for beating the guy to a pulp, not trying to put words in your mouth. guns do a lot more harm than good when it comes to everyday citizens carrying them around. We can disagree on that, I'm alright with that, but that's part of the outrage you don't accept because it's legal. I'm ok with that, I don't have to agree with it because it's legal. I have guns, I've never felt the need to carry one around with me.
bliver, you said that guns do more harm than good when it comes to everyday citizens carrying them around. Are you referring to legally permitted gun carriers, or are you including those who illegally posses and/or carry guns?
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What law? Do you have a link to where I can see what it says?
ANY law. At what point in this situation do you feel the law was broken? You obviously think Zimmerman is guilty of something, when did he cross the line (in your mind)?
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What law? Do you have a link to where I can see what it says?
ANY law. At what point in this situation do you feel the law was broken? You obviously think Zimmerman is guilty of something, when did he cross the line (in your mind)?
When he shot Martin, obviously, and possibly when he ran after Martin. Though I'm not sure what the rules are on the latter.
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ANY law. At what point in this situation do you feel the law was broken? You obviously think Zimmerman is guilty of something, when did he cross the line (in your mind)?
When he shot Martin, obviously, and possibly when he ran after Martin. Though I'm not sure what the rules are on the latter.
If it's the latter, a crap-load of paparazzi are going to be looking for work.

Dreach, how much of an ass-kicking justifies shooting someone in "self-defense?" If I had a a concealed gun, and and someone started going all MMA on my ass, I would shoot him if I got the chance.
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What law? Do you have a link to where I can see what it says?
ANY law. At what point in this situation do you feel the law was broken? You obviously think Zimmerman is guilty of something, when did he cross the line (in your mind)?
When he shot Martin, obviously, and possibly when he ran after Martin. Though I'm not sure what the rules are on the latter.
If it's the latter, a crap-load of paparazzi are going to be looking for work.

Dreach, how much of an ass-kicking justifies shooting someone in "self-defense?" If I had a a concealed gun, and and someone started going all MMA on my ass, I would shoot him if I got the chance.
That's true, hadn't though about paparazzi laws. So if you chase an old man and he has a heart attack, that doesn't fall under any law?

We've been over this 100 times. I've said repeatedly that I think the Stand Your Ground law should apply to Martin before it applied to Zimmerman.
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my bias, I'm just being honest...I'm not arguing the case, I'm saying it's not that big of a deal because there is no evidence I've seen yet that says martin was using any drugs that night. There was no paraphernalia found anywhere, no residue from a joint on martin's hands. Again, foregone conclusion he had pot in his system. If you're talking character, then what about zimmerman's former co-worker stating that zimmerman racially targeted him and bullied him at work...Touche
Gz's character flaws don't erase martins. Also we have no proof that he racially targeted someone. We do have proof of him defending a homeless black man though.
you are full of yourself...again...where is the proof that he defended a homeless black man? I know his father said that, is that your proof? Also, his co-worker was interviewed by the FBI and stated he was racially targeted and bullied by GZ, that's more tangible than zimmerman dad saying he defended a homeless man...and I'm guessing other co-workers can back that up...yea, I'm the bias one
I'm not bias at all. It comes down to 2 big "ifs" for me. If gz caught up to tm and instigated the fight either physically or through verbal threats or harassment, then he is at fault and should at least be charged with manslaughter. If gz went back to his car while tm doubled back and assaulted gz, then he had a right to dEfend himself, which includes lethal force if his life was in danger.

Bliver you are by far and away the most bias poster on this subject. Just look at your various ridiculous assertions to date. I realize you have corrected many of them and that's fine. To claim that you aren't bias, however, is absurd.

I want justice based on the facts from both sides. You seem only interested in the facts from tm's side.
I'm no more biased than you, anyone reading this thread can see that...keep it up
wow....name 1 opinion that I have given on this case. Name 1 conclusion that I have jumped to. Name 1 false piece of information that I have given. good luck.
http://www.inquisitr.com/239453/george-zimmermans-former-co-worker-alleges-racist-remarks/

here's one of several, I may have been wrong saying the FBI interviewed him, but I thought I read that somewhere also, maybe a different article.
I've read that...but you SPECIFICALLY tried to add credibility to this person's statement by claiming that it was backed up by the FBI vs. Zimmerman defending a homeless black man lacking credibility because it was just something that his Dad claimed. Now...in reality the FBI never backed up that claim and hasn't even interviewed the coworker, and there are public records of Zimmerman defending the black man, including a flyer that her distributed throughout the Sanford area at the time.

None of the above makes Zimmerman guilty or innocent, however it further illustrates how you continue to use false information to make outrageous claims, meanwhile claiming that I am somehow the bias one.
wow, ok aaron...I didn't think it was that big of deal if the FBI or District Atorney said it, I thought it was the FBI, I've been reading up on the case lately, obviously. I'm not trying to interject anything, I assure you.

I agree with everything you said, I just don't think you've been saying it very long. It was the issue of character remember? You said marijuana would be a big character issue for martin, will this instance and his arrest be issues for GZ too? I'm playing devils advocate just like you, so stop with the pissing match. I'm bias as much as you or anyone else. the fact that this was preventable is all I need to know, and there should be some sort of punishment, it's to bad there probably won't be one. The worst part is if GZ gets off, he can carry a gun again. I don't think he acted responsible, and for the life of me I'll never know why any person can pull a gun out and shoot someone because they are in a fight. you kick someones ass, you get your ass kicked...you go home. A great majority of people don't die in a fight, and I personally don't think GZ would have either. Carrying a gun only drove this situation to the worst possible outcome.

Sorry I'm human and show a little emotion, this isn't a law class is it?
ok, I will take you at your word...I do think, however, that most people would find a claim much more credible if the claim had been investigated and was being backed up by the FBI...otherwise it could just be somebody who doesn't like Zimmerman and is mouthing off.

It is true that I haven't been saying that since the beginning...I didn't change my mind, rather I reserved judgement until further information was released, and I spent most of my posts refuting those who wouldn't do the same. I started the 1st thread on this topic showing that NBC doctored the audio to create public perception of some racist targeting and hunting down black kids, which I think is disgusting and could result in tragedies equal to the one that they are doctoring to begin with (race wars often result in many innocent deaths).

The vast majority of my posts in here were refuting false statements and conclusions, such as that GZ is racist, he was ordered to stay in the truck, GZ was on top in the fight, he didn't sustain any injuries...etc etc. Having an opinion is one thing, but to present it as fact is something that really bothers me, and definitely won't hold up in a court of law where GZ is innocent until proven guilty.
Human beings are not robots....we have inconsistent actions constantly. A sexist person can help a woman in distress and a racist person can help a minority change a flat tire, just like someone who is typically not racist can have moments of racism.

There are only two people who can speak to the exact details of the physical confrontation, and one of them is dead. If we lived in a country where guilt was presumed and innocence had to be proven, then Zimmerman would probably be found guilty since there is no eyewitness account to the beginning of the confrontation and we are fairly clear about what happened up until that moment. But we don't.

I think what Zimmerman did was ethically wrong....and I don't have an issue with saying that. Ethical and legal are not equivalents, no matter how many times we wish they were. I know they were never convicted or really charged with anything, but if the Ramseys were having a slumber party with Michael Jackson providing the entertainment, my kid would have to politely decline. And when Zimmerman gets out, if he wanted to be my neighborhood watch captain, I'd be doing everything I could to try to make that not happen.
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What law? Do you have a link to where I can see what it says?
ANY law. At what point in this situation do you feel the law was broken? You obviously think Zimmerman is guilty of something, when did he cross the line (in your mind)?
I believe Zimmerman crossed the line of the law when he shot Trayvon. I agree with what dreachon said a few posts up (the Stand Your Ground law should apply to Martin before it applied to Zimmerman).

I also agree that following someone isn't necessarily a crime, but don't think there is any doubt that Zimmerman had a bad day when it came to making good judgements that day. It started with following Martin and ended with Martin being dead. I also agree with this detective. The only difference is that I believe his/her words aren't strong enough, the situation should have been avoided.
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So you and Dreach really have problems with that particular law which is understandable. I also agree that Zimmerman handled the situation poorly. I'm not exactly sure what was going on in that neighborhood or much about his past but for some reason he followed the kid. If he confronted Martin and killed him he should be punished to the fullest extent. But if Martin came back and started it and was beating Zimmerman badly then I don't see how he could be convicted if he is a legal gun carrier and considering the law as we know it. It doesn't make the situation any less tragic. It's just the law. Brum is right, you can't convict on emotion or on your personal ethics. You have to use the laws. Barring a major witness, I dont see Zimmerman being convicted. Gun laws and gun ethics is a seperate issue from whether or not this man murdered this kid.
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I don't have a problem with the law. I just think the law should apply to Trayvon, who was threatened by a man chasing him in the rain at night. When Trayvon kicks his ass, I think he's using Stand Your Ground to do that. And that means Zimmerman still doesn't have the right to shoot Trayvon.
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I don't have a problem with the law. I just think the law should apply to Trayvon, who was threatened by a man chasing him in the rain at night. When Trayvon kicks his ass, I think he's using Stand Your Ground to do that. And that means Zimmerman still doesn't have the right to shoot Trayvon.
is your stance still contingent upon GZ's "double back" story being false?
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I don't have a problem with the law. I just think the law should apply to Trayvon, who was threatened by a man chasing him in the rain at night. When Trayvon kicks his ass, I think he's using Stand Your Ground to do that. And that means Zimmerman still doesn't have the right to shoot Trayvon.
is your stance still contingent upon GZ's "double back" story being false?
Yeah.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin
This Wiki account looks reasonably comprehensive.

I think it seems likely that gz was the one calling out for help, as his ass was the one being kicked.
From the Wiki link:
Police had been called to The Retreat at Twin Lakes 402 times from January 1, 2011, to February 26, 2012.[53] Zimmerman was the caller on 11 of those calls in that time frame. Crimes committed at The Retreat in the year prior to Martin's death included eight burglaries, nine thefts, dozens of break-ins (at least one with a woman and infant upstairs) and one shooting. In September, Zimmerman was asked to head up a neighborhood watch. [53] The City of Sanford posted a "George Zimmerman 911 Call History" listing 46 calls by him between 2004 and the 2012 shooting.

To those who think gz's actions were totally unjustified, how many crimes have you had in your neighborhood in the last year?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin
This Wiki account looks reasonably comprehensive.

I think it seems likely that gz was the one calling out for help, as his ass was the one being kicked.
From the Wiki link:
Police had been called to The Retreat at Twin Lakes 402 times from January 1, 2011, to February 26, 2012.[53] Zimmerman was the caller on 11 of those calls in that time frame. Crimes committed at The Retreat in the year prior to Martin's death included eight burglaries, nine thefts, dozens of break-ins (at least one with a woman and infant upstairs) and one shooting. In September, Zimmerman was asked to head up a neighborhood watch. [53] The City of Sanford posted a "George Zimmerman 911 Call History" listing 46 calls by him between 2004 and the 2012 shooting.

To those who think gz's actions were totally unjustified, how many crimes have you had in your neighborhood in the last year?
I just checked the Tulsa Crime maps, and for 2012 in the square mile block around my house there were
14 Burgulary
4 Auto Thefts
38 cases of Larceny
2 Rapes
2 Aggravated Assualts
6 vandalism calls

These are actual crime reports generated. No idea on the number of calls generated by them, but easily comparable to the number of reported crimes you listed. And Oklahoma is a concealed carry state. Not sure carrying guns has any affect on the crime rates. **edit** Open carry as of Nov 1st this year.
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