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dreachon May 22 2012, 10:25 AM Post #481
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin
This Wiki account looks reasonably comprehensive.

I think it seems likely that gz was the one calling out for help, as his ass was the one being kicked.
From the Wiki link:
Police had been called to The Retreat at Twin Lakes 402 times from January 1, 2011, to February 26, 2012.[53] Zimmerman was the caller on 11 of those calls in that time frame. Crimes committed at The Retreat in the year prior to Martin's death included eight burglaries, nine thefts, dozens of break-ins (at least one with a woman and infant upstairs) and one shooting. In September, Zimmerman was asked to head up a neighborhood watch. [53] The City of Sanford posted a "George Zimmerman 911 Call History" listing 46 calls by him between 2004 and the 2012 shooting.

To those who think gz's actions were totally unjustified, how many crimes have you had in your neighborhood in the last year?
I just checked the Tulsa Crime maps, and for 2012 in the square mile block around my house there were
14 Burgulary
4 Auto Thefts
38 cases of Larceny
2 Rapes
2 Aggravated Assualts
6 vandalism calls

These are actual crime reports generated. No idea on the number of calls generated by them, but easily comparable to the number of reported crimes you listed. And Oklahoma is a concealed carry state. Not sure carrying guns has any affect on the crime rates. **edit** Open carry as of Nov 1st this year.
How do you check this?

If I lived in a neighborhood with a bunch of crime, that would give me MORE reason NOT to follow a random stranger at night. And even more reason to identify myself and tell the person I have called the police.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin
This Wiki account looks reasonably comprehensive.

I think it seems likely that gz was the one calling out for help, as his ass was the one being kicked.
From the Wiki link:
Police had been called to The Retreat at Twin Lakes 402 times from January 1, 2011, to February 26, 2012.[53] Zimmerman was the caller on 11 of those calls in that time frame. Crimes committed at The Retreat in the year prior to Martin's death included eight burglaries, nine thefts, dozens of break-ins (at least one with a woman and infant upstairs) and one shooting. In September, Zimmerman was asked to head up a neighborhood watch. [53] The City of Sanford posted a "George Zimmerman 911 Call History" listing 46 calls by him between 2004 and the 2012 shooting.

To those who think gz's actions were totally unjustified, how many crimes have you had in your neighborhood in the last year?
I just checked the Tulsa Crime maps, and for 2012 in the square mile block around my house there were
14 Burgulary
4 Auto Thefts
38 cases of Larceny
2 Rapes
2 Aggravated Assualts
6 vandalism calls

These are actual crime reports generated. No idea on the number of calls generated by them, but easily comparable to the number of reported crimes you listed. And Oklahoma is a concealed carry state. Not sure carrying guns has any affect on the crime rates. **edit** Open carry as of Nov 1st this year.
How do you check this?

If I lived in a neighborhood with a bunch of crime, that would give me MORE reason NOT to follow a random stranger at night. And even more reason to identify myself and tell the person I have called the police.
The local police districts all have crime maps around here. Yours may or may not have one. It is usually accessible through the police department website.

http://maps.cityoftulsa.org/Police/?config=config-CrimeTypes.xml
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Ok. I can only view 4 months worth of data at a time, so I'm just going to take one 4 month segment and times by 3 to get a full year.

6 Burglaries
12 Auto Thefts
36 Larceny

These numbers only include the area directly north and east of me. I live on the county line so the areas south and west of me report to a different county.
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I don't have a problem with the law. I just think the law should apply to Trayvon, who was threatened by a man chasing him in the rain at night. When Trayvon kicks his ass, I think he's using Stand Your Ground to do that. And that means Zimmerman still doesn't have the right to shoot Trayvon.
is your stance still contingent upon GZ's "double back" story being false?
Yeah.
that's fair.

This is the part that I am struggling with though. I have said previously that I believe Trayvon would have no problem getting away from GZ on foot if he wanted to. That still doesn't mean, necessarily, that he doubled back, but how do you honestly think the physical confrontation went down?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin
This Wiki account looks reasonably comprehensive.

I think it seems likely that gz was the one calling out for help, as his ass was the one being kicked.
From the Wiki link:
Police had been called to The Retreat at Twin Lakes 402 times from January 1, 2011, to February 26, 2012.[53] Zimmerman was the caller on 11 of those calls in that time frame. Crimes committed at The Retreat in the year prior to Martin's death included eight burglaries, nine thefts, dozens of break-ins (at least one with a woman and infant upstairs) and one shooting. In September, Zimmerman was asked to head up a neighborhood watch. [53] The City of Sanford posted a "George Zimmerman 911 Call History" listing 46 calls by him between 2004 and the 2012 shooting.

To those who think gz's actions were totally unjustified, how many crimes have you had in your neighborhood in the last year?
I only have 4 neighbors within a square mile....we do have a crime problem regarding one of the folks driving his golf cart on the road all the time without the proper street-legal modifications and an occasional beer in the cup holder..... :$
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin
This Wiki account looks reasonably comprehensive.

I think it seems likely that gz was the one calling out for help, as his ass was the one being kicked.
From the Wiki link:
Police had been called to The Retreat at Twin Lakes 402 times from January 1, 2011, to February 26, 2012.[53] Zimmerman was the caller on 11 of those calls in that time frame. Crimes committed at The Retreat in the year prior to Martin's death included eight burglaries, nine thefts, dozens of break-ins (at least one with a woman and infant upstairs) and one shooting. In September, Zimmerman was asked to head up a neighborhood watch. [53] The City of Sanford posted a "George Zimmerman 911 Call History" listing 46 calls by him between 2004 and the 2012 shooting.

To those who think gz's actions were totally unjustified, how many crimes have you had in your neighborhood in the last year?
I only have 4 neighbors within a square mile....we do have a crime problem regarding one of the folks driving his golf cart on the road all the time without the proper street-legal modifications and an occasional beer in the cup holder..... :$
I want to get a golf cart, but the wife won't let me. ^o)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin
This Wiki account looks reasonably comprehensive.

I think it seems likely that gz was the one calling out for help, as his ass was the one being kicked.
From the Wiki link:
Police had been called to The Retreat at Twin Lakes 402 times from January 1, 2011, to February 26, 2012.[53] Zimmerman was the caller on 11 of those calls in that time frame. Crimes committed at The Retreat in the year prior to Martin's death included eight burglaries, nine thefts, dozens of break-ins (at least one with a woman and infant upstairs) and one shooting. In September, Zimmerman was asked to head up a neighborhood watch. [53] The City of Sanford posted a "George Zimmerman 911 Call History" listing 46 calls by him between 2004 and the 2012 shooting.

To those who think gz's actions were totally unjustified, how many crimes have you had in your neighborhood in the last year?
I only have 4 neighbors within a square mile....we do have a crime problem regarding one of the folks driving his golf cart on the road all the time without the proper street-legal modifications and an occasional beer in the cup holder..... :$
I want to get a golf cart, but the wife won't let me. ^o)
honestly, in terms of "toys" it's the best investment we ever made. $2,200 with a rear seat, and we use it nearly every single day. When you live in the country like me,it's not that easy to just get out and walk to a park or neighbors house. We run the dogs with it, load fishing gear and head down to a pond, hit up the school park, or just take a ride to calm my little one (9 months old) down. I have a 4-wheeler also, and it rarely comes out of the barn....golf cart has taken over....even my wife loves it!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin
This Wiki account looks reasonably comprehensive.

I think it seems likely that gz was the one calling out for help, as his ass was the one being kicked.
From the Wiki link:
Police had been called to The Retreat at Twin Lakes 402 times from January 1, 2011, to February 26, 2012.[53] Zimmerman was the caller on 11 of those calls in that time frame. Crimes committed at The Retreat in the year prior to Martin's death included eight burglaries, nine thefts, dozens of break-ins (at least one with a woman and infant upstairs) and one shooting. In September, Zimmerman was asked to head up a neighborhood watch. [53] The City of Sanford posted a "George Zimmerman 911 Call History" listing 46 calls by him between 2004 and the 2012 shooting.

To those who think gz's actions were totally unjustified, how many crimes have you had in your neighborhood in the last year?
I only have 4 neighbors within a square mile....we do have a crime problem regarding one of the folks driving his golf cart on the road all the time without the proper street-legal modifications and an occasional beer in the cup holder..... :$
I want to get a golf cart, but the wife won't let me. ^o)
honestly, in terms of "toys" it's the best investment we ever made. $2,200 with a rear seat, and we use it nearly every single day. When you live in the country like me,it's not that easy to just get out and walk to a park or neighbors house. We run the dogs with it, load fishing gear and head down to a pond, hit up the school park, or just take a ride to calm my little one (9 months old) down. I have a 4-wheeler also, and it rarely comes out of the barn....golf cart has taken over....even my wife loves it!
Thats what I keep telling her. I would want it at the lake house(ok, scale back your expectations a tad.. it is more of a lake bungalow). Every thing is just a bit beyond walking distance...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin
This Wiki account looks reasonably comprehensive.

I think it seems likely that gz was the one calling out for help, as his ass was the one being kicked.
From the Wiki link:
Police had been called to The Retreat at Twin Lakes 402 times from January 1, 2011, to February 26, 2012.[53] Zimmerman was the caller on 11 of those calls in that time frame. Crimes committed at The Retreat in the year prior to Martin's death included eight burglaries, nine thefts, dozens of break-ins (at least one with a woman and infant upstairs) and one shooting. In September, Zimmerman was asked to head up a neighborhood watch. [53] The City of Sanford posted a "George Zimmerman 911 Call History" listing 46 calls by him between 2004 and the 2012 shooting.

To those who think gz's actions were totally unjustified, how many crimes have you had in your neighborhood in the last year?
I only have 4 neighbors within a square mile....we do have a crime problem regarding one of the folks driving his golf cart on the road all the time without the proper street-legal modifications and an occasional beer in the cup holder..... :$
I want to get a golf cart, but the wife won't let me. ^o)
honestly, in terms of "toys" it's the best investment we ever made. $2,200 with a rear seat, and we use it nearly every single day. When you live in the country like me,it's not that easy to just get out and walk to a park or neighbors house. We run the dogs with it, load fishing gear and head down to a pond, hit up the school park, or just take a ride to calm my little one (9 months old) down. I have a 4-wheeler also, and it rarely comes out of the barn....golf cart has taken over....even my wife loves it!
Thats what I keep telling her. I would want it at the lake house(ok, scale back your expectations a tad.. it is more of a lake bungalow). Every thing is just a bit beyond walking distance...
My uncle had one of those. Nothing fancy, but a good place to go to fish (back when I thought that was fun), play horseshoes, underage drinking/campfires/parties on occasion.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin
This Wiki account looks reasonably comprehensive.

I think it seems likely that gz was the one calling out for help, as his ass was the one being kicked.
From the Wiki link:
Police had been called to The Retreat at Twin Lakes 402 times from January 1, 2011, to February 26, 2012.[53] Zimmerman was the caller on 11 of those calls in that time frame. Crimes committed at The Retreat in the year prior to Martin's death included eight burglaries, nine thefts, dozens of break-ins (at least one with a woman and infant upstairs) and one shooting. In September, Zimmerman was asked to head up a neighborhood watch. [53] The City of Sanford posted a "George Zimmerman 911 Call History" listing 46 calls by him between 2004 and the 2012 shooting.

To those who think gz's actions were totally unjustified, how many crimes have you had in your neighborhood in the last year?
I only have 4 neighbors within a square mile....we do have a crime problem regarding one of the folks driving his golf cart on the road all the time without the proper street-legal modifications and an occasional beer in the cup holder..... :$
I want to get a golf cart, but the wife won't let me. ^o)
My mom has one, it's awesome! You would be surprised where those things can go.
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You would be surprised where those things can go.
That's what she said.
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You would be surprised where those things can go.
That's what she said.
Why did you leave out the part where he said "my mom has one"?
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I don't have a problem with the law. I just think the law should apply to Trayvon, who was threatened by a man chasing him in the rain at night. When Trayvon kicks his ass, I think he's using Stand Your Ground to do that. And that means Zimmerman still doesn't have the right to shoot Trayvon.
is your stance still contingent upon GZ's "double back" story being false?
Yeah.
that's fair.

This is the part that I am struggling with though. I have said previously that I believe Trayvon would have no problem getting away from GZ on foot if he wanted to. That still doesn't mean, necessarily, that he doubled back, but how do you honestly think the physical confrontation went down?
Honestly, given that Zimmerman lives in the neighborhood and Martin didn't, I think Zimmerman probably guessed where Martin would emerge from after he ran. It's a gated community, so there are only a few places where Martin could have ended up. I think Zimmerman either managed to cut him off, or kept walking around and they just ran into each other again. I certainly don't think Zimmerman chased him down.
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You would be surprised where those things can go.
That's what she said.
Why did you leave out the part where he said "my mom has one"?
Just trying to keep it classy, Brum. I didn't want to bring anyone's mother into my (our) college humor.
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I don't have a problem with the law. I just think the law should apply to Trayvon, who was threatened by a man chasing him in the rain at night. When Trayvon kicks his ass, I think he's using Stand Your Ground to do that. And that means Zimmerman still doesn't have the right to shoot Trayvon.
is your stance still contingent upon GZ's "double back" story being false?
Yeah.
that's fair.

This is the part that I am struggling with though. I have said previously that I believe Trayvon would have no problem getting away from GZ on foot if he wanted to. That still doesn't mean, necessarily, that he doubled back, but how do you honestly think the physical confrontation went down?
Honestly, given that Zimmerman lives in the neighborhood and Martin didn't, I think Zimmerman probably guessed where Martin would emerge from after he ran. It's a gated community, so there are only a few places where Martin could have ended up. I think Zimmerman either managed to cut him off, or kept walking around and they just ran into each other again. I certainly don't think Zimmerman chased him down.
I should google earth the neighborhood. I'm having a tough time envisioning a neighborhood that you have to "emerge" when running away. It seems like he could just keep bolting through backyards or whatever until he made it to his dads girlfriends home.
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