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dreachon Jun 1 2012, 08:16 PM Post #511
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It definitely leads to credibility issues. There are two people who know exactly what happened; one is dead, and the other has already lied to the court.
Not the first time. In the 911 call Zimmerman says the suspect looks like he's in his late teens. Then in his initial court date he told the family that he thought Martin was older, just a couple years younger than he is.
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It definitely leads to credibility issues. There are two people who know exactly what happened; one is dead, and the other has already lied to the court.
Not the first time. In the 911 call Zimmerman says the suspect looks like he's in his late teens. Then in his initial court date he told the family that he thought Martin was older, just a couple years younger than he is.
Yes! I had totally forgot about that! Thanks. :)
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I highly suspect the defense will not put Zimmerman on the stand.
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I highly suspect the defense will not put Zimmerman on the stand.
Won't the prosecution though? If so, what will the difference end up being after cross-examination? Asking questions, not being a smart ass....educate me.
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I highly suspect the defense will not put Zimmerman on the stand.
Won't the prosecution though? If so, what will the difference end up being after cross-examination? Asking questions, not being a smart ass....educate me.
The prosecution can not call the defendant as a witness, they can only cross examine him if he chooses to take the stand in his own defense.

The onus is on the prosecution to prove their case, so the defense will not have Zimmerman take the stand unless they believe they need to do so because the prosecution has been proving their case and they need their client to give his version or contradict the version that has been presented. I would guess that if Zimmerman were to take the stand it would only be under the circumstances that it was not going well for their client. With no witnesses to the incident as a whole, I think that bringing Zimmerman to the stand would be a mistake by the defense.
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I highly suspect the defense will not put Zimmerman on the stand.
Won't the prosecution though? If so, what will the difference end up being after cross-examination? Asking questions, not being a smart ass....educate me.
The prosecution can not call the defendant as a witness, they can only cross examine him if he chooses to take the stand in his own defense.

The onus is on the prosecution to prove their case, so the defense will not have Zimmerman take the stand unless they believe they need to do so because the prosecution has been proving their case and they need their client to give his version or contradict the version that has been presented. I would guess that if Zimmerman were to take the stand it would only be under the circumstances that it was not going well for their client. With no witnesses to the incident as a whole, I think that bringing Zimmerman to the stand would be a mistake by the defense.
I didn't realize that, but thanks for the knowledge. I guess I don't understand why the prosecution can't call the defendant up, but if those are the rules, then so be it.
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I highly suspect the defense will not put Zimmerman on the stand.
Won't the prosecution though? If so, what will the difference end up being after cross-examination? Asking questions, not being a smart ass....educate me.
The prosecution can not call the defendant as a witness, they can only cross examine him if he chooses to take the stand in his own defense.

The onus is on the prosecution to prove their case, so the defense will not have Zimmerman take the stand unless they believe they need to do so because the prosecution has been proving their case and they need their client to give his version or contradict the version that has been presented. I would guess that if Zimmerman were to take the stand it would only be under the circumstances that it was not going well for their client. With no witnesses to the incident as a whole, I think that bringing Zimmerman to the stand would be a mistake by the defense.
I agree with you - they cannot make him testify. However, he has the right to testify if he wants to, independent of what his lawyers think.
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First I've heard of this.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/23/four-george-zimmerman-witnesses-change-their-stories/
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First I've heard of this.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/23/four-george-zimmerman-witnesses-change-their-stories/
I'm assuming that they will not be considered as credible witnesses if they change their minds on such critical details. I'm guessing that the early media endictment of gz helped sway their recollection which is sad to me.
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First I've heard of this.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/23/four-george-zimmerman-witnesses-change-their-stories/
I'm assuming that they will not be considered as credible witnesses if they change their minds on such critical details. I'm guessing that the early media endictment of gz helped sway their recollection which is sad to me.
The problem is that they were credible witnesses in Zimmerman's favor. If they're not credible at all, that's a win for the prosecution.

I'm not sure why you assume the media has swayed their recollection. I think it's just as likely their early testimony was more favorable for Zimmerman because he was their neighbor. Their friend. The guy they agreed should be the contact for a pseudo-neighborhood watch program. They could just be telling the absolute truth at this point without trying to paint Zimmerman in a better light.
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First I've heard of this.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/23/four-george-zimmerman-witnesses-change-their-stories/
I'm assuming that they will not be considered as credible witnesses if they change their minds on such critical details. I'm guessing that the early media endictment of gz helped sway their recollection which is sad to me.
The problem is that they were credible witnesses in Zimmerman's favor. If they're not credible at all, that's a win for the prosecution.

I'm not sure why you assume the media has swayed their recollection. I think it's just as likely their early testimony was more favorable for Zimmerman because he was their neighbor. Their friend. The guy they agreed should be the contact for a pseudo-neighborhood watch program. They could just be telling the absolute truth at this point without trying to paint Zimmerman in a better light.
Could be. We would have to know more a out them to say for sure I guess. We won't really know how any of this witness shit Pans out until next year. Leaking info, false or true, is a common legal tactic.
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The recent events could effect the case if the charge was manslaughter. The fact that the evidence shows gz was receiving an ass whooping before the shooting makes 2nd degree murder almost impossible to prove, IMO.
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Can George Zimmerman be trusted?
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If his case goes to trial, he will have to convince a jury that his version of the events surrounding Trayvon Martin's death is true.


That would be true if he was being tried in a court of public opinion....in a United States courthouse, however, the prosecution has to convince the jury that GZ's version isn't true, while simultaneously presenting their own version where the only person would could possibly corroborate that version is dead.

There is going to have to be an onslaught of EYE WITNESSES with credibility who say that GZ chased TM down and shot him in order for GZ not to walk.
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If his case goes to trial, he will have to convince a jury that his version of the events surrounding Trayvon Martin's death is true.


That would be true if he was being tried in a court of public opinion....in a United States courthouse, however, the prosecution has to convince the jury that GZ's version isn't true, while simultaneously presenting their own version where the only person would could possibly corroborate that version is dead.

There is going to have to be an onslaught of EYE WITNESSES with credibility who say that GZ chased TM down and shot him in order for GZ not to walk.
At this point, though, the option of the defense to put Zimmerman on the stand SHOULD the defense encounter the need to has taken a great hit. I would have to say that the previous misleading of the court could probably be brought up in cross examination to establish previous behavior.

I still think Zimmerman will get off, but I think that Zimmerman may have taken a case that potentially might not have gone to trial and placed it into a situation where, while he still looks to be acquitted because of burden of proof, has given the defense an advantage that they shouldn't have.
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