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brumdog44 Oct 4 2012, 08:34 PM Post #556
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Isn't there something in the constitution about speedy trials? Big pet peeve of mine is how long the prosecution and defense drag this out.
....and usually it is all at our expense. Crazy how that works.
And typically it's the defense dragging it on because they know the longer from the actual event, the less the chance of a conviction.
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Isn't there something in the constitution about speedy trials? Big pet peeve of mine is how long the prosecution and defense drag this out.
Lol. I have a company that owes me $50k. I had to file suit in April of this year. We don't even begin mediatiOn until February and would be looking at a July trial at best. Speedy my ass!!!
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Isn't there something in the constitution about speedy trials? Big pet peeve of mine is how long the prosecution and defense drag this out.
Lol. I have a company that owes me $50k. I had to file suit in April of this year. We don't even begin mediatiOn until February and would be looking at a July trial at best. Speedy my ass!!!
Are you required to go through mediation? Is there any reason you couldn't file a civil suit?
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Isn't there something in the constitution about speedy trials? Big pet peeve of mine is how long the prosecution and defense drag this out.
Lol. I have a company that owes me $50k. I had to file suit in April of this year. We don't even begin mediatiOn until February and would be looking at a July trial at best. Speedy my ass!!!
Are you required to go through mediation? Is there any reason you couldn't file a civil suit?
It is a civil suit and yes mediation is required by Allen county.
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Isn't there something in the constitution about speedy trials? Big pet peeve of mine is how long the prosecution and defense drag this out.
Lol. I have a company that owes me $50k. I had to file suit in April of this year. We don't even begin mediatiOn until February and would be looking at a July trial at best. Speedy my ass!!!
Are you required to go through mediation? Is there any reason you couldn't file a civil suit?
It is a civil suit and yes mediation is required by Allen county.
Interesting. I just checked on my county....in Lake County, mediation is required for civil suits that exceed the upper jurisdictional limits, which are currently set at $50,000. So I guess your case would be right on the border depending upon which side of $50,000 it was on.

The sad thing is that if it's a major business that you want to sue, they have the resources. Seems to force smaller businesses into settling in mediation for lesser amounts than they should get.
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Isn't there something in the constitution about speedy trials? Big pet peeve of mine is how long the prosecution and defense drag this out.
Lol. I have a company that owes me $50k. I had to file suit in April of this year. We don't even begin mediatiOn until February and would be looking at a July trial at best. Speedy my ass!!!
Are you required to go through mediation? Is there any reason you couldn't file a civil suit?
It is a civil suit and yes mediation is required by Allen county.
Interesting. I just checked on my county....in Lake County, mediation is required for civil suits that exceed the upper jurisdictional limits, which are currently set at $50,000. So I guess your case would be right on the border depending upon which side of $50,000 it was on.

The sad thing is that if it's a major business that you want to sue, they have the resources. Seems to force smaller businesses into settling in mediation for lesser amounts than they should get.
Wow. That is a crock of shit Aaron.
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Isn't there something in the constitution about speedy trials? Big pet peeve of mine is how long the prosecution and defense drag this out.
Lol. I have a company that owes me $50k. I had to file suit in April of this year. We don't even begin mediatiOn until February and would be looking at a July trial at best. Speedy my ass!!!
Are you required to go through mediation? Is there any reason you couldn't file a civil suit?
It is a civil suit and yes mediation is required by Allen county.
Interesting. I just checked on my county....in Lake County, mediation is required for civil suits that exceed the upper jurisdictional limits, which are currently set at $50,000. So I guess your case would be right on the border depending upon which side of $50,000 it was on.

The sad thing is that if it's a major business that you want to sue, they have the resources. Seems to force smaller businesses into settling in mediation for lesser amounts than they should get.
Wow. That is a crock of shit Aaron.
agreed...in this particular case our attorney is an investor and board member so it isn't costing me as much, but even at the "discounted rate", I will be 5 figures in by the time mediation is over.
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Trayvon was walking back to his father's house, doing nothing wrong. George followed Trayvon. He had a gun with him. George called 911. 911 told George he shouldn't follow Trayvon. George followed him anyway. George confronted Trayvon (girlfriend's statement). George got a broken nose. Trayvon got shot. Trayvon died. George said it was self defense. George was released by police.

Rhetorics or facts?
In my opinion.

There. Fixed it for you.
911 did not tell him that he shouldn't follow.
HUH?
"you don't need to do that" is a far cry from "stay in the car". Gz absolutely should have stayed, but he wasn't under police order to do so.
Oh please.

"are you following?"
"yes"
"ok we don't need you to do that"

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"are you following?"
"yes"
"ok don't do that"

You're looking at the exact wordage and completely ignoring the meaning. It would be the same if the 911 operator replied

"please don't do that"
"you shouldn't do that"

etc, etc.
disagree. When someone tells me that they don't need me to do something, I wouldn't take that as an order not to do something.
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Trayvon was walking back to his father's house, doing nothing wrong. George followed Trayvon. He had a gun with him. George called 911. 911 told George he shouldn't follow Trayvon. George followed him anyway. George confronted Trayvon (girlfriend's statement). George got a broken nose. Trayvon got shot. Trayvon died. George said it was self defense. George was released by police.

Rhetorics or facts?
In my opinion.

There. Fixed it for you.
911 did not tell him that he shouldn't follow.
HUH?
"you don't need to do that" is a far cry from "stay in the car". Gz absolutely should have stayed, but he wasn't under police order to do so.
Oh please.

"are you following?"
"yes"
"ok we don't need you to do that"

=

"are you following?"
"yes"
"ok don't do that"

You're looking at the exact wordage and completely ignoring the meaning. It would be the same if the 911 operator replied

"please don't do that"
"you shouldn't do that"

etc, etc.
disagree. When someone tells me that they don't need me to do something, I wouldn't take that as an order not to do something.
Your original statement.

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911 did not tell him that he shouldn't follow.


When did the discussion become about GZ being "ordered" not to follow? I'm honestly unclear as to whether a 911 operator has the authority to order someone to do something. But I absolutely think 911 TOLD GZ not to follow.

"Ok we don't need you to do that" can really only be interpreted 2 ways.

1) Please don't do that
2) You don't have to do that, but if you'd like to, then by all means please continue to do so

Are you really going with option 2? The 911 operator said GZ didn't have to follow, but if we wanted to then he should?
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Trayvon was walking back to his father's house, doing nothing wrong. George followed Trayvon. He had a gun with him. George called 911. 911 told George he shouldn't follow Trayvon. George followed him anyway. George confronted Trayvon (girlfriend's statement). George got a broken nose. Trayvon got shot. Trayvon died. George said it was self defense. George was released by police.

Rhetorics or facts?
In my opinion.

There. Fixed it for you.
911 did not tell him that he shouldn't follow.
HUH?
"you don't need to do that" is a far cry from "stay in the car". Gz absolutely should have stayed, but he wasn't under police order to do so.
Oh please.

"are you following?"
"yes"
"ok we don't need you to do that"

=

"are you following?"
"yes"
"ok don't do that"

You're looking at the exact wordage and completely ignoring the meaning. It would be the same if the 911 operator replied

"please don't do that"
"you shouldn't do that"

etc, etc.
disagree. When someone tells me that they don't need me to do something, I wouldn't take that as an order not to do something.
Your original statement.

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911 did not tell him that he shouldn't follow.


When did the discussion become about GZ being "ordered" not to follow? I'm honestly unclear as to whether a 911 operator has the authority to order someone to do something. But I absolutely think 911 TOLD GZ not to follow.

"Ok we don't need you to do that" can really only be interpreted 2 ways.

1) Please don't do that
2) You don't have to do that, but if you'd like to, then by all means please continue to do so

Are you really going with option 2? The 911 operator said GZ didn't have to follow, but if we wanted to then he should?
telling someone to do something or not to do something is, by definition, an "order" dreach. In the heat of that moment, if they did not want GZ to follow, they should have been very clear and direct. Saying that he didn't "need to" is neither, so it's sort of BS to continue to claim that he was told (or ordered) not to follow...it's simply not accurate.
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telling someone to do something or not to do something is, by definition, an "order" dreach. In the heat of that moment, if they did not want GZ to follow, they should have been very clear and direct. Saying that he didn't "need to" is neither, so it's sort of BS to continue to claim that he was told (or ordered) not to follow...it's simply not accurate.
Got it. So you are going with option #2. When the 911 operator told GZ he didn't need to follow, he meant that GZ could really continue following if he wanted to.
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telling someone to do something or not to do something is, by definition, an "order" dreach. In the heat of that moment, if they did not want GZ to follow, they should have been very clear and direct. Saying that he didn't "need to" is neither, so it's sort of BS to continue to claim that he was told (or ordered) not to follow...it's simply not accurate.
Got it. So you are going with option #2. When the 911 operator told GZ he didn't need to follow, he meant that GZ could really continue following if he wanted to.
I'm not choosing any option...I don't think you can hold GZ accountable to interpreting what the operator meant vs what she actually said.
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telling someone to do something or not to do something is, by definition, an "order" dreach. In the heat of that moment, if they did not want GZ to follow, they should have been very clear and direct. Saying that he didn't "need to" is neither, so it's sort of BS to continue to claim that he was told (or ordered) not to follow...it's simply not accurate.
Got it. So you are going with option #2. When the 911 operator told GZ he didn't need to follow, he meant that GZ could really continue following if he wanted to.
I'm not choosing any option...I don't think you can hold GZ accountable to interpreting what the operator meant vs what she actually said.
So you think it's possible the operator meant, "go ahead and follow him if you like"?
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telling someone to do something or not to do something is, by definition, an "order" dreach. In the heat of that moment, if they did not want GZ to follow, they should have been very clear and direct. Saying that he didn't "need to" is neither, so it's sort of BS to continue to claim that he was told (or ordered) not to follow...it's simply not accurate.
Got it. So you are going with option #2. When the 911 operator told GZ he didn't need to follow, he meant that GZ could really continue following if he wanted to.
I'm not choosing any option...I don't think you can hold GZ accountable to interpreting what the operator meant vs what she actually said.
So you think it's possible the operator meant, "go ahead and follow him if you like"?
no, I personally think she meant exactly what she said. When we discussed this earlier in the year or whatever, I asked a good cop friend of mine who works dispatch quite often. She said that they would never recommend that someone follow a prospective perpetrator because of liabilty/safety issues, but they also wouldn't tell them not to. They would issue a statement such as "we don't recommend" or "we don't need you to do that" to cover their asses, and I asked her this with no context to the GZ case or pre-conceived notion as to why I was asking it. She thought I was asking for a potential situation at my home or something like that.
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