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HoosierLars Dec 8 2012, 11:38 AM Post #616
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If you want believe that the 911 operator (who you said earlier would never recommend someone follow a perp) actually thought it was a good idea for GZ to follow TM and that maybe he indeed meant "thank you for pursuing that perp for us, George. You don't need to do that." Well, that's your prerogative. I find that possibility to be incredibly unlikely
Why is the literal interpretation of "You don't need to do that" so implausible to many posters here?
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If you want believe that the 911 operator (who you said earlier would never recommend someone follow a perp) actually thought it was a good idea for GZ to follow TM and that maybe he indeed meant "thank you for pursuing that perp for us, George. You don't need to do that." Well, that's your prerogative. I find that possibility to be incredibly unlikely
Why is the literal interpretation of "You don't need to do that" so implausible to many posters here?
For the same reason a literal translation of the Bible is not accepted by most rational people?
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If you want believe that the 911 operator (who you said earlier would never recommend someone follow a perp) actually thought it was a good idea for GZ to follow TM and that maybe he indeed meant "thank you for pursuing that perp for us, George. You don't need to do that." Well, that's your prerogative. I find that possibility to be incredibly unlikely
Why is the literal interpretation of "You don't need to do that" so implausible to many posters here?
For the same reason a literal translation of the Bible is not accepted by most rational people?
so, you're saying that the posters on this board who can't accept the literal translation of the 911 call grew up in a Church where the preacher told them that the word of the 911 operator is divine and it to be accepted on faith as literal?
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If you want believe that the 911 operator (who you said earlier would never recommend someone follow a perp) actually thought it was a good idea for GZ to follow TM and that maybe he indeed meant "thank you for pursuing that perp for us, George. You don't need to do that." Well, that's your prerogative. I find that possibility to be incredibly unlikely
Why is the literal interpretation of "You don't need to do that" so implausible to many posters here?
For the same reason a literal translation of the Bible is not accepted by most rational people?
so, you're saying that the posters on this board who can't accept the literal translation of the 911 call grew up in a Church where the preacher told them that the word of the 911 operator is divine and it to be accepted on faith as literal?
Yes, that is exactly what I am saying.
I was actually just trolling, but since you bit... Do you believe the sun travels around the earth? Do you believe bats are birds? That the earth rests on pillars? That hares chew their cud?

If it was a divinely written book without Man's fallibility , wouldn't you think that God would have gotten some of those things right when he had them put to paper?
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If you want believe that the 911 operator (who you said earlier would never recommend someone follow a perp) actually thought it was a good idea for GZ to follow TM and that maybe he indeed meant "thank you for pursuing that perp for us, George. You don't need to do that." Well, that's your prerogative. I find that possibility to be incredibly unlikely
Why is the literal interpretation of "You don't need to do that" so implausible to many posters here?
http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/single/?p=8274715&t=7184833
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If the 911 operator really did encourage [redacted murderer] to continue harassing Trayvon Martin, they should have been fired.
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If you want believe that the 911 operator (who you said earlier would never recommend someone follow a perp) actually thought it was a good idea for GZ to follow TM and that maybe he indeed meant "thank you for pursuing that perp for us, George. You don't need to do that." Well, that's your prerogative. I find that possibility to be incredibly unlikely
Why is the literal interpretation of "You don't need to do that" so implausible to many posters here?
http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/single/?p=8274715&t=7184833
Still don't understand why it's necessary to believe the operator either condemned or condoned following. The agnostic position seems plausible to me.
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If you want believe that the 911 operator (who you said earlier would never recommend someone follow a perp) actually thought it was a good idea for GZ to follow TM and that maybe he indeed meant "thank you for pursuing that perp for us, George. You don't need to do that." Well, that's your prerogative. I find that possibility to be incredibly unlikely
Why is the literal interpretation of "You don't need to do that" so implausible to many posters here?
http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/single/?p=8274715&t=7184833
Still don't understand why it's necessary to believe the operator either condemned or condoned following. The agnostic position seems plausible to me.
I don't know what to tell you. Phrases have meanings. You tried to give an example of someone using the phrase without any intention behind it and even that didn't work.
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if you listening to the 911 call again and take the conversation into context, it's a no brainer. just let these fools further embarrass themselves.
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if you listening to the 911 call again and take the conversation into context, it's a no brainer. just let these fools further embarrass themselves.
then call it like it is....say that "he should have known that the operator did not want him to pursue" or something truthful like that. To say that he was "told not to pursue" or "ordered not to pursue" is embellishment, and really isn't necessary to make a case against GZ...especially since in reality the 911 operator's statement wouldn't have had any authority even if she did explicitly say "don't follow".
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if you listening to the 911 call again and take the conversation into context, it's a no brainer. just let these fools further embarrass themselves.
then call it like it is....say that "he should have known that the operator did not want him to pursue" or something truthful like that. To say that he was "told not to pursue" or "ordered not to pursue" is embellishment, and really isn't necessary to make a case against GZ...especially since in reality the 911 operator's statement wouldn't have had any authority even if she did explicitly say "don't follow".
first of all, do yourself a favor and listen the 911 call...because she is a he, and he actually says , "ok, we don't need you to do that" which makes it even more direct when listening to the call. the "ok" thrown in there, in context with the conversation, makes it even more obvious what he expects from GZ. but do ahead...continue down the path you're on, I haven't had a good laugh from you in a while
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if you listening to the 911 call again and take the conversation into context, it's a no brainer. just let these fools further embarrass themselves.
then call it like it is....say that "he should have known that the operator did not want him to pursue" or something truthful like that. To say that he was "told not to pursue" or "ordered not to pursue" is embellishment, and really isn't necessary to make a case against GZ...especially since in reality the 911 operator's statement wouldn't have had any authority even if she did explicitly say "don't follow".
first of all, do yourself a favor and listen the 911 call...because she is a he, and he actually says , "ok, we don't need you to do that" which makes it even more direct when listening to the call. the "ok" thrown in there, in context with the conversation, makes it even more obvious what he expects from GZ. but do ahead...continue down the path you're on, I haven't had a good laugh from you in a while
once again, you don't need to change the operator's words to make your case....it just makes you look disingenuous when you do that. Like I said, he wasn't told not to follow....and you know why bliver? Because that operator had no authority in that case to make that call. He can recommend, strongly suggest, or in this case tell him that he "doesn't need to", but that's it....which makes you even more wrong, so laugh at yourself clown!
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if you listening to the 911 call again and take the conversation into context, it's a no brainer. just let these fools further embarrass themselves.
then call it like it is....say that "he should have known that the operator did not want him to pursue" or something truthful like that. To say that he was "told not to pursue" or "ordered not to pursue" is embellishment, and really isn't necessary to make a case against GZ...especially since in reality the 911 operator's statement wouldn't have had any authority even if she did explicitly say "don't follow".
first of all, do yourself a favor and listen the 911 call...because she is a he, and he actually says , "ok, we don't need you to do that" which makes it even more direct when listening to the call. the "ok" thrown in there, in context with the conversation, makes it even more obvious what he expects from GZ. but do ahead...continue down the path you're on, I haven't had a good laugh from you in a while
once again, you don't need to change the operator's words to make your case....it just makes you look disingenuous when you do that. Like I said, he wasn't told not to follow....and you know why bliver? Because that operator had no authority in that case to make that call. He can recommend, strongly suggest, or in this case tell him that he "doesn't need to", but that's it....which makes you even more wrong, so laugh at yourself clown!
OK, so now a 911 operator can't tell someone to do something, got it...well, I don't know what to say to that but it sounds ridiculous. Ass Clown!

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If you want believe that the 911 operator (who you said earlier would never recommend someone follow a perp) actually thought it was a good idea for GZ to follow TM and that maybe he indeed meant "thank you for pursuing that perp for us, George. You don't need to do that." Well, that's your prerogative. I find that possibility to be incredibly unlikely
Why is the literal interpretation of "You don't need to do that" so implausible to many posters here?
http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/single/?p=8274715&t=7184833
Still don't understand why it's necessary to believe the operator either condemned or condoned following. The agnostic position seems plausible to me.
I don't know what to tell you. Phrases have meanings. You tried to give an example of someone using the phrase without any intention behind it and even that didn't work.
That's what I don't get. When in the fuck would the operator say anything at all if he didn't care one way or the other about Zimmerman following him?

If you want to say he didn't order Zimmerman to not follow, fine. Legally he probably couldn't order him from doing so because he wasn't breaking any laws...it's not illegal to follow him. But to say that the intention wasn't obviously to tell him NOT to follow....just wow.
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"we don't need you to do that" means "we don't need you to do that". I don't know for sure if they wanted GZ to follow him or not, but what we do know is that they DID NOT tell him not to follow. Cops are great at giving orders, so I don't know why you don't think he would have specifically said "do not follow him".
See, this is where your whole argument falls apart. You saying 'I don't for sure if they wanted GZ to follow him or not' is as disingenous statement as one can make. It's OBVIOUS they didn't want him to. Can you technically say they didn't ORDER him to? Sure. But even in your coyness, you know what was meant despite pleading the opposite.

There is absolutely NOTHING....NADA....ZERO...that would suggest they wanted him to follow, yet you aren't sure? Yeah......

How is it you can be '99.9% sure' that Belcher and his girlfriend would both be dead if he hadn't had a gun when you can't even interpret what a 911 operator is saying when they say they don't need someone to follow someone else? Why such certainty in things that are based 100% on something that didn't happen -- Belcher not having a gun -- but complete uncertainty when we know exactly what occurred? It seems nothing more than arguments of convenience to support your position in both cases.
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