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Jazen Dec 10 2012, 06:33 PM Post #631
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I strongly believe that the operator's words about Zimmerman following Martin - "You don't need to do that", is exactly what's going to get him convicted.
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If you want believe that the 911 operator (who you said earlier would never recommend someone follow a perp) actually thought it was a good idea for GZ to follow TM and that maybe he indeed meant "thank you for pursuing that perp for us, George. You don't need to do that." Well, that's your prerogative. I find that possibility to be incredibly unlikely
Why is the literal interpretation of "You don't need to do that" so implausible to many posters here?
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Still don't understand why it's necessary to believe the operator either condemned or condoned following. The agnostic position seems plausible to me.
I don't know what to tell you. Phrases have meanings. You tried to give an example of someone using the phrase without any intention behind it and even that didn't work.
That's what I don't get. When in the fuck would the operator say anything at all if he didn't care one way or the other about Zimmerman following him?

If you want to say he didn't order Zimmerman to not follow, fine. Legally he probably couldn't order him from doing so because he wasn't breaking any laws...it's not illegal to follow him. But to say that the intention wasn't obviously to tell him NOT to follow....just wow.
This post is so on the mark it's ridiculous.
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I strongly believe that the operator's words about Zimmerman following Martin - "You don't need to do that", is exactly what's going to get him convicted.
I'm curious as to what you think he will be convicted of? Murder?
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I strongly believe that the operator's words about Zimmerman following Martin - "You don't need to do that", is exactly what's going to get him convicted.
I'm curious as to what you think he will be convicted of? Murder?
He's going to be convicted of making 'white Hispanic' a household term.
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The statement is questionable if you just read the transcript. As soon as you listen to the recording, its clear that the operator is telling him to stop.
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I'm curious as to what you think he will be convicted of? Murder?
I think he'll be convicted of 2nd degree murder. Singling out an individual just because they're walking down the sidewalk on a rainy night and then subsequently chasing him down and ultimately shooting him to death should probably be first degree murder IMO.

Martin simply fought back, and not for the fact that he put a few knots on Zimmerman's head before he killed him would we even be here.

To let Zimmerman walk out of jail that night was truly unbelievable.
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The statement is questionable if you just read the transcript. As soon as you listen to the recording, its clear that the operator is telling him to stop.
Completely agree.

[utube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aVwPqXc-bk[/utube]

In fact upon relistening you can hear emphasis on the "dont". The quote from the 911 operator should read:

"Ok, we dont need you to do that."
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If you want to say he didn't order Zimmerman to not follow, fine. Legally he probably couldn't order him from doing so because he wasn't breaking any laws...it's not illegal to follow him. But to say that the intention wasn't obviously to tell him NOT to follow....just wow.
Please link me to the place where someone decided to give two shits about the 911 operator's opinion on the situation. As far as we know the operator has an IQ in the Bliver range, and trying to decipher the meaning is about as useful as trying to interpret an idiot's description of quantum mechanics.
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Like I said, listening to the 911 call makes it even more apparent what the operator was telling GZ to do.
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Like I said, listening to the 911 call makes it even more apparent what the operator was telling GZ to do.
I listened to the tape, and I completely disagree. I hear no urgency or exuberance in the operators voice as he says we don't need you to do that. You could even make a case that the operator knew that George would be moving around because he didn't give an exact place where he was or would be meeting the officer, rather he said have the officer call me and I will tell him where I am, which the operator agreed to.

How can someone state or imply that George disobeyed in order, when a 911 operator doesn't even have the authority to make such an order?
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Well at least you finally listened to the actual call.
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Like I said, listening to the 911 call makes it even more apparent what the operator was telling GZ to do.
I listened to the tape, and I completely disagree. I hear no urgency or exuberance in the operators voice as he says we don't need you to do that. You could even make a case that the operator knew that George would be moving around because he didn't give an exact place where he was or would be meeting the officer, rather he said have the officer call me and I will tell him where I am, which the operator agreed to.

How can someone state or imply that George disobeyed in order, when a 911 operator doesn't even have the authority to make such an order?
911 operators are always trained to tell you to avoid conflict because their job is to protect the person on the other side of the phone.

While its true that 911 operators don't have authority to give orders, its still another piece of circumstantial evidence that will go against Zimmerman.
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Like I said, listening to the 911 call makes it even more apparent what the operator was telling GZ to do.
I listened to the tape, and I completely disagree. I hear no urgency or exuberance in the operators voice as he says we don't need you to do that. You could even make a case that the operator knew that George would be moving around because he didn't give an exact place where he was or would be meeting the officer, rather he said have the officer call me and I will tell him where I am, which the operator agreed to.

How can someone state or imply that George disobeyed in order, when a 911 operator doesn't even have the authority to make such an order?
How can someone interpret 'we don't need you to do that' to mean the operator had no opinion?
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I'm curious as to what you think he will be convicted of? Murder?
I think he'll be convicted of 2nd degree murder. Singling out an individual just because they're walking down the sidewalk on a rainy night and then subsequently chasing him down and ultimately shooting him to death should probably be first degree murder IMO.

Martin simply fought back, and not for the fact that he put a few knots on Zimmerman's head before he killed him would we even be here.

To let Zimmerman walk out of jail that night was truly unbelievable.
Here is where our opinions differ. If GZ was following him with his gun drawn and "chased him down" like you said then I agree with you but I was under the assumption that TM confronted GZ about following him, proceeded to beat his ass and THEN the gun was pulled as GZ was on bottom getting his head bashed.....if that is how it went down, I don't see GZ being convicted. Should he have followed.....no. But if the gun was never pulled before his head was being bashed then I dont think he is convicted. I doubt TM would confront and proceed to kick the shit out of a man with a gun in his hand.....it would have never gotten that far....GZ would have shot him before his nose was broken and his head was bashed off the curb.
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but I was under the assumption that TM confronted GZ about following him
Why were you under that assumption? Just because that's what Zimmerman said happened?
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