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brumdog44 Dec 11 2012, 09:44 PM Post #646
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but I was under the assumption that TM confronted GZ about following him
Why were you under that assumption? Just because that's what Zimmerman said happened?
By aaron's line of reasoning, that simply means we can't tell what GZ meant.
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I was under the assumption that TM confronted GZ about following him
Why follow him in the first place? Just for walking down the sidewalk?

That's the part I'll never understand, and as the 911 operator said, "you don't need to do that." Had he not done that, we wouldn't be here, and a 17 year old young man would still be alive.
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Like I said, listening to the 911 call makes it even more apparent what the operator was telling GZ to do.
I listened to the tape, and I completely disagree. I hear no urgency or exuberance in the operators voice as he says we don't need you to do that. You could even make a case that the operator knew that George would be moving around because he didn't give an exact place where he was or would be meeting the officer, rather he said have the officer call me and I will tell him where I am, which the operator agreed to.

How can someone state or imply that George disobeyed in order, when a 911 operator doesn't even have the authority to make such an order?
How can someone interpret 'we don't need you to do that' to mean the operator had no opinion?
I don't know...I never said he didn't have an opinion.
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but I was under the assumption that TM confronted GZ about following him
Why were you under that assumption? Just because that's what Zimmerman said happened?
By aaron's line of reasoning, that simply means we can't tell what GZ meant.
um....what?
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I was under the assumption that TM confronted GZ about following him
Why follow him in the first place? Just for walking down the sidewalk?

That's the part I'll never understand, and as the 911 operator said, "you don't need to do that." Had he not done that, we wouldn't be here, and a 17 year old young man would still be alive.
I am not saying he should have followed him. I also dont think TM should have punched him and bashed his head on the curb. If I am standing in my neighborhood and a "stranger" is crossing yards in the dark in an area that has had crime problems before, I think I deserve the right to watch and make sure nothing shady is going on. Would you let strangers walk your neighborhood in the dark while you and your neighbors wives and kids could POTENTIALLY be at risk?

I have a real hard time believing that any of you would not be curious of what that person was doing and what his reasoning was for doing it.

From what I've read, GZ didnt assualt TM.....TM confronted GZ and proceeded to kick his ass....if that part never happened he would also still be alive. That doesnt mean I think GZ handled everything right or should have shot him....I wasnt there. But seeing GZ's nose and knowing his head was being bashed as he yelled for help....I'm not that surprised it ended this way.
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From what I've read, GZ didnt assualt TM.....TM confronted GZ and proceeded to kick his ass....
So you've read Zimmerman's account of the story. Congratulations.
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From what I've read, GZ didnt assualt TM.....TM confronted GZ and proceeded to kick his ass....
So you've read Zimmerman's account of the story. Congratulations.
I think there are multiple witness accounts that back this up dreach.
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From what I've read, GZ didnt assualt TM.....TM confronted GZ and proceeded to kick his ass....
So you've read Zimmerman's account of the story. Congratulations.
I think there are multiple witness accounts that back this up dreach.
Really? Multiple witness accounts that saw Martin confront Zimmerman, start a fight and then get shot? Please link.

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From what I've read, GZ didnt assualt TM.....TM confronted GZ and proceeded to kick his ass....
So you've read Zimmerman's account of the story. Congratulations.
I think there are multiple witness accounts that back this up dreach.
Really? Multiple witness accounts that saw Martin confront Zimmerman, start a fight and then get shot? Please link.

So the broken nose, bashed head, and cries for help are not evidence?
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From what I've read, GZ didnt assualt TM.....TM confronted GZ and proceeded to kick his ass....
So you've read Zimmerman's account of the story. Congratulations.
I think there are multiple witness accounts that back this up dreach.
Really? Multiple witness accounts that saw Martin confront Zimmerman, start a fight and then get shot? Please link.

So the broken nose, bashed head, and cries for help are not evidence?
Not that Martin confronted Zimmerman and then kicked his ass. No.
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By the way, here's the probable cause affidavit. Let me single out a quote.

"When the police dispatcher realized Zimmerman was pursuing Martin, he instructed Zimmerman not to do that and that the responding officer would meet him."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/interactive/2012/04/12/state-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-affidavit-probable-cause/
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By the way, here's the probable cause affidavit. Let me single out a quote.

"When the police dispatcher realized Zimmerman was pursuing Martin, he instructed Zimmerman not to do that and that the responding officer would meet him."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/interactive/2012/04/12/state-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-affidavit-probable-cause/
So the people trying to prosecute GZ state that the dispatcher told him "not to do that" and the audio shows the dispatcher said "we dont need you to do that". Why doesnt they probable cause affidavit state the exact quote of the dispatcher? Are you surprised they changed the statement to get an arrest warrant?
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By the way, here's the probable cause affidavit. Let me single out a quote.

"When the police dispatcher realized Zimmerman was pursuing Martin, he instructed Zimmerman not to do that and that the responding officer would meet him."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/interactive/2012/04/12/state-florida-vs-george-zimmerman-affidavit-probable-cause/
LOL....a document created by the state as a part of building their case....geez dreach, I'm assuming you read the entire document, and are well aware of how slanted it is right? I mean, let's start with the simple misrepresentation of the facts when the document says that TM was told to wait for police...not true, the operator asked him if he wanted to wait there. It's also worth noting that this report omits all reports of Zimmerman's injuries, and the fact that he was getting his head bashed in.
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From what I've read, GZ didnt assualt TM.....TM confronted GZ and proceeded to kick his ass....
So you've read Zimmerman's account of the story. Congratulations.
I think there are multiple witness accounts that back this up dreach.
Really? Multiple witness accounts that saw Martin confront Zimmerman, start a fight and then get shot? Please link.

the witnesses saw that Martin was kicking Zimmerman's ass. Who started the confrontation wasn't witnessed, but what is it that you BELIEVE Zimmerman could have done to provoke a potentially fatal beating?
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From what I've read, GZ didnt assualt TM.....TM confronted GZ and proceeded to kick his ass....
So you've read Zimmerman's account of the story. Congratulations.
I think there are multiple witness accounts that back this up dreach.
Really? Multiple witness accounts that saw Martin confront Zimmerman, start a fight and then get shot? Please link.

So the broken nose, bashed head, and cries for help are not evidence?
Not that Martin confronted Zimmerman and then kicked his ass. No.
If I am following you and not showing or saying that I have a gun then you would be more inclined to confront me and have a confrontation. But if I have a gun in my hand or tell you I have one you would be less likely to walk up to me and punch me in the face, right? Common sense should tell you that the gun was never an issue until GZ was getting his ass pummeled.
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