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George Zimmerman ; Combined Threads
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From what I've read, GZ didnt assualt TM.....TM confronted GZ and proceeded to kick his ass....
So you've read Zimmerman's account of the story. Congratulations.
I think there are multiple witness accounts that back this up dreach.
Really? Multiple witness accounts that saw Martin confront Zimmerman, start a fight and then get shot? Please link. <br /><br />
the witnesses saw that Martin was kicking Zimmerman's ass. Who started the confrontation wasn't witnessed, but what is it that you BELIEVE Zimmerman could have done to provoke a potentially fatal beating?
When did this fatal beating happen, I missed that.
see that I specifically said "potentially fatal beating". troll on
FIne, you want to make this personal? Duly noted. <br /><br />
Why else would you take the word "potentially" out of the context of my comment to argue with me other than trolling?
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So what do you guys think? Obviously we haven't heard all of the evidence, don't know the trial venue or the jury makeup, but there seems to be some strong opinions for both sides of what may have happened that night.

Does he get convicted? On what charge and for what length of sentence? Does he get probation with time served? Acquitted? Just curious where most of you stand and how responsible, in terms of guilt or innocence, Zimmerman will be held accountable for, if at all, by the time the trial ends.

I realize there are a lot of elements that we're not privy to yet, but when has that stopped any of us from making predictions on this board?

I say he's found guilty of second degree murder, does no less than 5 years and no more than 15. I've factored in good behavior into my prediction, I believe he'd be a model prisoner, despite his charges.

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I think he may take a manslaughter offer from the prosecution, and agree to time served, or maybe one more year in the big house.
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I think he may take a manslaughter offer from the prosecution, and agree to time served, or maybe one more year in the big house.
I don't think he'll take a plea. I think he'll get convicted of a much lesser charge and serve little time as you suggested.
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I don't know how it really works with juries. Technically he should walk because there is no evidence that he broke any law. Can they convict people based on their emotion like so many have done on here and elsewhere in the court of public opinion? Maybe, but I guess it Only takes one juror who is insensitive to emotional pleas to prevent it.
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From what I've read, GZ didnt assualt TM.....TM confronted GZ and proceeded to kick his ass....
So you've read Zimmerman's account of the story. Congratulations.
I think there are multiple witness accounts that back this up dreach.
Really? Multiple witness accounts that saw Martin confront Zimmerman, start a fight and then get shot? Please link.

the witnesses saw that Martin was kicking Zimmerman's ass. Who started the confrontation wasn't witnessed, but what is it that you BELIEVE Zimmerman could have done to provoke a potentially fatal beating?
So there's not multiple witness reports that back up Zimmerman's claim that Martin confronted him and started beating him. Got it.

I believe following Martin in a car and then getting out and chasing him is enough for Martin to defend himself and beat up Zimmerman.
really? So you believe fatal violence was necessary from Martin? He couldn't have gotten away?
FATAL VIOLENCE?

I've had a broken nose. Didn't die.

Have to say that I can't say the same if I were shot like Martin was.
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From what I've read, GZ didnt assualt TM.....TM confronted GZ and proceeded to kick his ass....
So you've read Zimmerman's account of the story. Congratulations.
I think there are multiple witness accounts that back this up dreach.
Really? Multiple witness accounts that saw Martin confront Zimmerman, start a fight and then get shot? Please link.

the witnesses saw that Martin was kicking Zimmerman's ass. Who started the confrontation wasn't witnessed, but what is it that you BELIEVE Zimmerman could have done to provoke a potentially fatal beating?
So there's not multiple witness reports that back up Zimmerman's claim that Martin confronted him and started beating him. Got it.

I believe following Martin in a car and then getting out and chasing him is enough for Martin to defend himself and beat up Zimmerman.
really? So you believe fatal violence was necessary from Martin? He couldn't have gotten away?
FATAL VIOLENCE?

I've had a broken nose. Didn't die.

Have to say that I can't say the same if I were shot like Martin was.
Yeah, it was nothing but a minor broken nose. Getting pummeled against the concrete could never be fatal.
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From what I've read, GZ didnt assualt TM.....TM confronted GZ and proceeded to kick his ass....
So you've read Zimmerman's account of the story. Congratulations.
I think there are multiple witness accounts that back this up dreach.
Really? Multiple witness accounts that saw Martin confront Zimmerman, start a fight and then get shot? Please link.

the witnesses saw that Martin was kicking Zimmerman's ass. Who started the confrontation wasn't witnessed, but what is it that you BELIEVE Zimmerman could have done to provoke a potentially fatal beating?
When did this fatal beating happen, I missed that.
see that I specifically said "potentially fatal beating". troll on
LIAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRR.

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really? So you believe fatal violence was necessary from Martin?
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Yeah, it was nothing but a minor broken nose. Getting pummeled against the concrete could never be fatal.
You mean a curb don't you?

And how badly was he "pummeled" if he didn't have a concussion and didn't need stitches? How are you so convinced his head was being slammed into the concrete?
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Yeah, it was nothing but a minor broken nose. Getting pummeled against the concrete could never be fatal.
You mean a curb don't you?

And how badly was he "pummeled" if he didn't have a concussion and didn't need stitches? How are you so convinced his head was being slammed into the concrete?
His body was in the grass and his head on the concrete, so when I said "curb" I guess I was thinking of the edge of the concrete. Your right...getting your head slammed into just "regular" concrete by someone who is on top of you and also punching you in the face and you can't get away is no big deal.

It's amazing the assumptions you make about Zimmerman's behavior, but continue to downplay Zimmerman's injuries as a result of Martin's assault, which was backed up by witness accounts.
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From what I've read, GZ didnt assualt TM.....TM confronted GZ and proceeded to kick his ass....
So you've read Zimmerman's account of the story. Congratulations.
I think there are multiple witness accounts that back this up dreach.
Really? Multiple witness accounts that saw Martin confront Zimmerman, start a fight and then get shot? Please link.

the witnesses saw that Martin was kicking Zimmerman's ass. Who started the confrontation wasn't witnessed, but what is it that you BELIEVE Zimmerman could have done to provoke a potentially fatal beating?
When did this fatal beating happen, I missed that.
see that I specifically said "potentially fatal beating". troll on
LIAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRR.

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really? So you believe fatal violence was necessary from Martin?
Liar huh....here is a link to my post, which you will see is unedited

http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/single/?p=8275227&t=7184833

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Who started the confrontation wasn't witnessed, but what is it that you BELIEVE Zimmerman could have done to provoke a potentially fatal beating?


Now, look at Eel's post to see that the above quote is the EXACT post that he was replying to.

http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/single/?p=8275238&t=7184833

Care to be a man and take back the "liar" comment?
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From what I've read, GZ didnt assualt TM.....TM confronted GZ and proceeded to kick his ass....
So you've read Zimmerman's account of the story. Congratulations.
I think there are multiple witness accounts that back this up dreach.
Really? Multiple witness accounts that saw Martin confront Zimmerman, start a fight and then get shot? Please link.

the witnesses saw that Martin was kicking Zimmerman's ass. Who started the confrontation wasn't witnessed, but what is it that you BELIEVE Zimmerman could have done to provoke a potentially fatal beating?
So there's not multiple witness reports that back up Zimmerman's claim that Martin confronted him and started beating him. Got it.

I believe following Martin in a car and then getting out and chasing him is enough for Martin to defend himself and beat up Zimmerman.
really? So you believe fatal violence was necessary from Martin? He couldn't have gotten away?
Direct quote. You completely ignore the part where you said it WAS fatal violence.

So you use 'potentially fatal beating' in one post and then turn around and call it 'fatal violence'....yet give eel a hard time for saying that he 'didn't use your exact words'.

Funny how you want us to follow exact words when you can't even follow yours.
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getting your head slammed into just "regular" concrete by someone who is on top of you and also punching you in the face and you can't get away is no big deal.

It's amazing the assumptions you make about Zimmerman's behavior, but continue to downplay Zimmerman's injuries as a result of Martin's assault, which was backed up by witness accounts.
I wonder how hard you have to get your head "slammed" into concrete to get 2 scrapes, no visible bruises, no concussion and no stitches. Man, what a life threatening beating!
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What I've learned:

curb = concrete

using 'potentially fatal beating' on one occasion and 'fatal violence' in another obviously means only the first definition.

but 'we don't need you to do that' from a 911 operator means pursue.
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BTW, time stamps are relevant:

aaron makes the 'fatal violence' comment at 10:16.

eel asks 'when did this fatal beating occur?' at 10:34.
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