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Mr Gray Jun 26 2013, 05:08 PM Post #811
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I thought the prosecutor's opening statement was pretty strong and sums up what the case is really about:

[utube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tttdPpZx3EY[/utube]

The opening starts at 20:30.
A few things mentioned in there that are new or haven't been discussed yet on here.

1) The darkness of the alley.
2) The prosecution says that there was too little time between Zimmerman's phone call and the shooting for anything significant to take place, but then says Martin and Zimmerman had a heated exchange that lasted much longer than Zimmerman says. Not sure how that's really possible unless we're talking about the difference between 10 and 30 seconds.
3) The 2nd 911 call recorded by a neighbor
4) The fighting lessons.
5) No DNA of Zimmerman on Martin's fingernails or hands.

A lot of interesting things here, but I still see nothing that's concrete enough to lead me away from the belief that the entire case hinges on Martin's girlfriend's testimony and believability.
for me, I'm not sure that the girlfriend's testimony matters much at all. Her word against Zimmerman's, both obviously biased. The lack of DNA on the hands or fingernails means a lot to me though...curious what the defense's response is to that. Wouldn't he have GZ DNA all over him if he was beating his ass?
I hear what you're saying, but the girlfriend's testimony is the ONLY one on the defense's side that can contradict Zimmerman and say he continued to pursue Martin. It may be Zimmerman's word vs the girlfriend, but without her it's Zimmerman's word vs no one. A big diff, IMO.

EDIT: Prosecution's
I don't know why people would question the girlfriend's testimony. She does not have a reason in the world to lie.
:facepalm: Other than her boyfriend being killed...but that's certainly no motivation...
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I just don't understand what motive all these people would have to conspire against GZ, for no reason.
racial reasons. It happens all the time.
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I think everyone seems to assume that GZ is going to testify. IMO, he will only testify if the defense feels it is going poorly for them. If he doesn't testify, I think the defense wins. If he does it will be because things have not went the way they planned....and it would be bleak for Zimmerman.

The defense will likely ask questions in such a manner that will provide the jury Zimmerman's view of how it occurred.
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Just pointing out early inconsistencies.

You should really do some research on the "girlfriend". If she is the key to this, IMO, the prosecution is fucked. Her twitter is full of references to smoking weed, getting drunk (she's 19), drinking a driving, pics of her manicure (which she refers to as her "court nails"), and a mass amount of, I'm assuming, "Ebonics" drivel that is almost unreadable and makes her appear illiterate.....it's nothing that makes her appear credible.
Oh my god a 19 year old who drinks and smokes weed? I am shocked.
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Mr Gray Jun 26 2013, 05:59 PM Post #815
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Just pointing out early inconsistencies.

You should really do some research on the "girlfriend". If she is the key to this, IMO, the prosecution is fucked. Her twitter is full of references to smoking weed, getting drunk (she's 19), drinking a driving, pics of her manicure (which she refers to as her "court nails"), and a mass amount of, I'm assuming, "Ebonics" drivel that is almost unreadable and makes her appear illiterate.....it's nothing that makes her appear credible.
Oh my god a 19 year old who drinks and smokes weed? I am shocked.
:facepalm: "Shocked" has nothing to do with it. Being a law abiding citizen lends itself to being a credible trustworthy witness. Being a lawbreaking citizen is the opposite. Smoking week and underage drinking happen to be against the law.
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Just pointing out early inconsistencies.

You should really do some research on the "girlfriend". If she is the key to this, IMO, the prosecution is fucked. Her twitter is full of references to smoking weed, getting drunk (she's 19), drinking a driving, pics of her manicure (which she refers to as her "court nails"), and a mass amount of, I'm assuming, "Ebonics" drivel that is almost unreadable and makes her appear illiterate.....it's nothing that makes her appear credible.
Do you know if her twitter content is allowed in court?
No idea. Just pointing it out so maybe you could get a better idea of who she is. she has lied to police, i would think that you would find that to be at least a little bit of a problem. Read a report that her testimony was so mumbled that it was slowing down court....

She appears to be a real gem
Where were you when Zimmerman lied to the court? Decidedly absent...
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To keep this on track, I saw about 5 minutes of the girlfriend's testimony. Win for the defense I think.
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An alternate juror --a male -- was released from jury duty today. It was reported that it did not deal with the case itself.
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I thought the prosecutor's opening statement was pretty strong and sums up what the case is really about:

[utube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tttdPpZx3EY[/utube]

The opening starts at 20:30.
A few things mentioned in there that are new or haven't been discussed yet on here.

1) The darkness of the alley.
2) The prosecution says that there was too little time between Zimmerman's phone call and the shooting for anything significant to take place, but then says Martin and Zimmerman had a heated exchange that lasted much longer than Zimmerman says. Not sure how that's really possible unless we're talking about the difference between 10 and 30 seconds.
3) The 2nd 911 call recorded by a neighbor
4) The fighting lessons.
5) No DNA of Zimmerman on Martin's fingernails or hands.

A lot of interesting things here, but I still see nothing that's concrete enough to lead me away from the belief that the entire case hinges on Martin's girlfriend's testimony and believability.
for me, I'm not sure that the girlfriend's testimony matters much at all. Her word against Zimmerman's, both obviously biased. The lack of DNA on the hands or fingernails means a lot to me though...curious what the defense's response is to that. Wouldn't he have GZ DNA all over him if he was beating his ass?
I hear what you're saying, but the girlfriend's testimony is the ONLY one on the defense's side that can contradict Zimmerman and say he continued to pursue Martin. It may be Zimmerman's word vs the girlfriend, but without her it's Zimmerman's word vs no one. A big diff, IMO.

EDIT: Prosecution's
I don't know why people would question the girlfriend's testimony. She does not have a reason in the world to lie.
:facepalm: Other than her boyfriend being killed...but that's certainly no motivation...
In my opinion, avoiding prison time is a much stronger motivation.
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I just don't understand what motive all these people would have to conspire against GZ, for no reason.
racial reasons. It happens all the time.
So, are you saying that the people that are conspiring against GZ are racists and want to mess with his life? I think that most people would try to get it as right as they could, due to the seriousness of the case. I mean, someone died here - and someone else's life is on the line. I don't see any reason to just assume that the witnesses must be racists.
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Mr Gray Jun 27 2013, 08:59 AM Post #821
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Jun 26 2013, 01:48 PM
I thought the prosecutor's opening statement was pretty strong and sums up what the case is really about:

[utube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tttdPpZx3EY[/utube]

The opening starts at 20:30.
A few things mentioned in there that are new or haven't been discussed yet on here.

1) The darkness of the alley.
2) The prosecution says that there was too little time between Zimmerman's phone call and the shooting for anything significant to take place, but then says Martin and Zimmerman had a heated exchange that lasted much longer than Zimmerman says. Not sure how that's really possible unless we're talking about the difference between 10 and 30 seconds.
3) The 2nd 911 call recorded by a neighbor
4) The fighting lessons.
5) No DNA of Zimmerman on Martin's fingernails or hands.

A lot of interesting things here, but I still see nothing that's concrete enough to lead me away from the belief that the entire case hinges on Martin's girlfriend's testimony and believability.
for me, I'm not sure that the girlfriend's testimony matters much at all. Her word against Zimmerman's, both obviously biased. The lack of DNA on the hands or fingernails means a lot to me though...curious what the defense's response is to that. Wouldn't he have GZ DNA all over him if he was beating his ass?
I hear what you're saying, but the girlfriend's testimony is the ONLY one on the defense's side that can contradict Zimmerman and say he continued to pursue Martin. It may be Zimmerman's word vs the girlfriend, but without her it's Zimmerman's word vs no one. A big diff, IMO.

EDIT: Prosecution's
I don't know why people would question the girlfriend's testimony. She does not have a reason in the world to lie.
:facepalm: Other than her boyfriend being killed...but that's certainly no motivation...
In my opinion, avoiding prison time is a much stronger motivation.
she wouldn't be facing any prison time for a lie in this case...it would be unprovable.
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Mr Gray Jun 27 2013, 09:00 AM Post #822
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I just don't understand what motive all these people would have to conspire against GZ, for no reason.
racial reasons. It happens all the time.
So, are you saying that the people that are conspiring against GZ are racists and want to mess with his life? I think that most people would try to get it as right as they could, due to the seriousness of the case. I mean, someone died here - and someone else's life is on the line. I don't see any reason to just assume that the witnesses must be racists.
I don't know those people...you asked me what would motivate someone to conspire against GZ....the same thing that motivates some people to conspire against TM. Racism. People are quick to acknowledge racism towards TM, but reluctant to acknowledge the opposite for some reason.
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looks like Jeantel will be impeached as witness as she just admitted lying in her statement to the state
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To keep this on track, I saw about 5 minutes of the girlfriend's testimony. Win for the defense I think.
wow dreach...I just read various articles about the girlfriend's testimony....if your take is correct that the case rests with her, then.........
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I still think there will be a lot of importance on the witnesses who saw "someone" on top of the other one, because of GZ was on top, then he clearly was in control of the situation, but if he was on bottom, then a self-defense claim can be made (even though I know you don't agree that your life is in danger when someone is on top of you beating you)



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The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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To keep this on track, I saw about 5 minutes of the girlfriend's testimony. Win for the defense I think.
wow dreach...I just read various articles about the girlfriend's testimony....if your take is correct that the case rests with her, then.........




Could be. The defense has got to absolutely nail the timeline and convince the jurors of the impossibility for Martin to have come back around and attacked GZ. That would seem to be their only hope at this point.
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