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Mr Gray Jun 28 2013, 12:54 PM Post #841
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There were several people on here who early on said that GZ was a racist who profiled TM because he was black and attacked him accordingly. Now that the girlfriend has stated that TM was a racist, I wonder if people will assume that he attacked GZ because he was a cracker.
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The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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There were several people on here who early on said that GZ was a racist who profiled TM because he was black and attacked him accordingly. Now that the girlfriend has stated that TM was a racist, I wonder if people will assume that he attacked GZ because he was a cracker.
I'm guessing probably not... GZ isn't even a fit for the racial slur "cracker". Without knowing exactly what happened in the beginning of the altercation I'm finding it hard to believe there will be a conviction out of this... Who's to say TM wouldn't have killed GZ by continuously slamming his head into the pavement, had GZ not shot him?
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There were several people on here who early on said that GZ was a racist who profiled TM because he was black and attacked him accordingly. Now that the girlfriend has stated that TM was a racist, I wonder if people will assume that he attacked GZ because he was a cracker.
I'm guessing probably not... GZ isn't even a fit for the racial slur "cracker". Without knowing exactly what happened in the beginning of the altercation I'm finding it hard to believe there will be a conviction out of this... Who's to say TM wouldn't have killed GZ by continuously slamming his head into the pavement, had GZ not shot him?
dreach has explained that getting your head slammed into the ground isn't life threatening.
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The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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dut1101 Jun 28 2013, 01:28 PM Post #844
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There were several people on here who early on said that GZ was a racist who profiled TM because he was black and attacked him accordingly. Now that the girlfriend has stated that TM was a racist, I wonder if people will assume that he attacked GZ because he was a cracker.
I'm guessing probably not... GZ isn't even a fit for the racial slur "cracker". Without knowing exactly what happened in the beginning of the altercation I'm finding it hard to believe there will be a conviction out of this... Who's to say TM wouldn't have killed GZ by continuously slamming his head into the pavement, had GZ not shot him?
dreach has explained that getting your head slammed into the ground isn't life threatening.
Opening myself up here I know but I've seen movies that have used that exact technique to kill someone... although in the end it is just a movie. Any number of things could happen from concussion, contusion, fractured skull, etc.... saying that slamming someones head into the concrete can't be life threatening is pretty asinine. I'm not saying that it was life threatening in this case but it could have progressed to that point had nothing been done
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There were several people on here who early on said that GZ was a racist who profiled TM because he was black and attacked him accordingly. Now that the girlfriend has stated that TM was a racist, I wonder if people will assume that he attacked GZ because he was a cracker.
I'm guessing probably not... GZ isn't even a fit for the racial slur "cracker". Without knowing exactly what happened in the beginning of the altercation I'm finding it hard to believe there will be a conviction out of this... Who's to say TM wouldn't have killed GZ by continuously slamming his head into the pavement, had GZ not shot him?
dreach has explained that getting your head slammed into the ground isn't life threatening.
Opening myself up here I know but I've seen movies that have used that exact technique to kill someone... although in the end it is just a movie. Any number of things could happen from concussion, contusion, fractured skull, etc.... saying that slamming someones head into the concrete can't be life threatening is pretty asinine. I'm not saying that it was life threatening in this case but it could have progressed to that point had nothing been done
A soccer referee was recently killed with one punch.
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There were several people on here who early on said that GZ was a racist who profiled TM because he was black and attacked him accordingly. Now that the girlfriend has stated that TM was a racist, I wonder if people will assume that he attacked GZ because he was a cracker.
I'm guessing probably not... GZ isn't even a fit for the racial slur "cracker". Without knowing exactly what happened in the beginning of the altercation I'm finding it hard to believe there will be a conviction out of this... Who's to say TM wouldn't have killed GZ by continuously slamming his head into the pavement, had GZ not shot him?
dreach has explained that getting your head slammed into the ground isn't life threatening.
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There were several people on here who early on said that GZ was a racist who profiled TM because he was black and attacked him accordingly. Now that the girlfriend has stated that TM was a racist, I wonder if people will assume that he attacked GZ because he was a cracker.
If you don't think Zimmerman profiled Martin, you are kidding yourself.
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There were several people on here who early on said that GZ was a racist who profiled TM because he was black and attacked him accordingly. Now that the girlfriend has stated that TM was a racist, I wonder if people will assume that he attacked GZ because he was a cracker.
I'm guessing probably not... GZ isn't even a fit for the racial slur "cracker". Without knowing exactly what happened in the beginning of the altercation I'm finding it hard to believe there will be a conviction out of this... Who's to say TM wouldn't have killed GZ by continuously slamming his head into the pavement, had GZ not shot him?
dreach has explained that getting your head slammed into the ground isn't life threatening.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591520-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-neighbor-testifies-trayvon-martin-was-straddling-zimmerman-moments-before-fatal-gunshot/

Some posters had GZ convicted before this ever started. Funny how emotions and not knowing a damn thing about the case makes someone's common sense just disappear.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591520-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-neighbor-testifies-trayvon-martin-was-straddling-zimmerman-moments-before-fatal-gunshot/

Some posters had GZ convicted before this ever started. Funny how emotions and not knowing a damn thing about the case makes someone's common sense just disappear.
If you'd actually read any of this thread, then you would know that many (maybe all) of those same posters believe Martin had a right to defend himself. Your article is pretty meaningless in that it doesn't matter if Martin was winning the fight because Zimmerman's actions gave him the right to fight and defend himself.

However, I did particularly like this quote from your article.

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However, Good testified that he didn't see the person on top smashing the other person's head into the sidewalk, as Zimmerman claims Martin did before he fatally shot the teen.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591520-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-neighbor-testifies-trayvon-martin-was-straddling-zimmerman-moments-before-fatal-gunshot/

Some posters had GZ convicted before this ever started. Funny how emotions and not knowing a damn thing about the case makes someone's common sense just disappear.
If you'd actually read any of this thread, then you would know that many (maybe all) of those same posters believe Martin had a right to defend himself. Your article is pretty meaningless in that it doesn't matter if Martin was winning the fight because Zimmerman's actions gave him the right to fight and defend himself.

However, I did particularly like this quote from your article.

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However, Good testified that he didn't see the person on top smashing the other person's head into the sidewalk, as Zimmerman claims Martin did before he fatally shot the teen.

The reason he couldn't see it was because TM was blocking his view.... Good also used the phrase "ground and pound" multiple times
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591520-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-neighbor-testifies-trayvon-martin-was-straddling-zimmerman-moments-before-fatal-gunshot/

Some posters had GZ convicted before this ever started. Funny how emotions and not knowing a damn thing about the case makes someone's common sense just disappear.
If you'd actually read any of this thread, then you would know that many (maybe all) of those same posters believe Martin had a right to defend himself. Your article is pretty meaningless in that it doesn't matter if Martin was winning the fight because Zimmerman's actions gave him the right to fight and defend himself.

However, I did particularly like this quote from your article.

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However, Good testified that he didn't see the person on top smashing the other person's head into the sidewalk, as Zimmerman claims Martin did before he fatally shot the teen.

The reason he couldn't see it was because TM was blocking his view.... Good also used the phrase "ground and pound" multiple times
So Martin was definitely slamming Zimmerman's head into the ground? That's what you're saying?
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dut1101 Jun 28 2013, 02:18 PM Post #853
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591520-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-neighbor-testifies-trayvon-martin-was-straddling-zimmerman-moments-before-fatal-gunshot/

Some posters had GZ convicted before this ever started. Funny how emotions and not knowing a damn thing about the case makes someone's common sense just disappear.
If you'd actually read any of this thread, then you would know that many (maybe all) of those same posters believe Martin had a right to defend himself. Your article is pretty meaningless in that it doesn't matter if Martin was winning the fight because Zimmerman's actions gave him the right to fight and defend himself.

However, I did particularly like this quote from your article.

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However, Good testified that he didn't see the person on top smashing the other person's head into the sidewalk, as Zimmerman claims Martin did before he fatally shot the teen.

The reason he couldn't see it was because TM was blocking his view.... Good also used the phrase "ground and pound" multiple times
So Martin was definitely slamming Zimmerman's head into the ground? That's what you're saying?
I'm not saying anything! I'm going off of Good's testimony... He said he could see the guy on top making motions towards the the guy on bottom in a "ground 'n pound" way but he never actually saw what was happening in clear view... that was his description of how it appeared to him
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Jun 28 2013, 01:57 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591520-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-neighbor-testifies-trayvon-martin-was-straddling-zimmerman-moments-before-fatal-gunshot/

Some posters had GZ convicted before this ever started. Funny how emotions and not knowing a damn thing about the case makes someone's common sense just disappear.
If you'd actually read any of this thread, then you would know that many (maybe all) of those same posters believe Martin had a right to defend himself. Your article is pretty meaningless in that it doesn't matter if Martin was winning the fight because Zimmerman's actions gave him the right to fight and defend himself.

However, I did particularly like this quote from your article.

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However, Good testified that he didn't see the person on top smashing the other person's head into the sidewalk, as Zimmerman claims Martin did before he fatally shot the teen.

The reason he couldn't see it was because TM was blocking his view.... Good also used the phrase "ground and pound" multiple times
So Martin was definitely slamming Zimmerman's head into the ground? That's what you're saying?
I'm not saying anything! I'm going off of Good's testimony... He said he could see the guy on top making motions towards the the guy on bottom in a "ground 'n pound" way but he never actually saw what was happening in clear view... that was his description of how it appeared to him
Ahh ok. Just the way you phrased it made it sound like that.
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There were several people on here who early on said that GZ was a racist who profiled TM because he was black and attacked him accordingly. Now that the girlfriend has stated that TM was a racist, I wonder if people will assume that he attacked GZ because he was a cracker.
GZ isn't on trial for profiling someone. And being racist isn't a chargabe offense. But I don't know how you can say he didn't assume something about Martin, either because f skin color, how he dressed, etc.......he didn't make a call to police for every 17 year old he saw.

So if we accept as fact that Martin is racist -- which has factual basis -- I'm not sure how that would make the situation any different. Martin wasn't the one who exited his car and pursued.
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