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There were several people on here who early on said that GZ was a racist who profiled TM because he was black and attacked him accordingly. Now that the girlfriend has stated that TM was a racist, I wonder if people will assume that he attacked GZ because he was a cracker.
I'm guessing probably not... GZ isn't even a fit for the racial slur "cracker". Without knowing exactly what happened in the beginning of the altercation I'm finding it hard to believe there will be a conviction out of this... Who's to say TM wouldn't have killed GZ by continuously slamming his head into the pavement, had GZ not shot him?
dreach has explained that getting your head slammed into the ground isn't life threatening.
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I guess those weren't your exact words, but it's hard to deny what you were indicating here.

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Maybe Zimmerman really felt like his life was in imminent danger. I don't know. I just don't see it though



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But no, I don't think Martin should have used deadly force in his self defense unless he felt his life was imminently in danger.
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There were several people on here who early on said that GZ was a racist who profiled TM because he was black and attacked him accordingly. Now that the girlfriend has stated that TM was a racist, I wonder if people will assume that he attacked GZ because he was a cracker.
If you don't think Zimmerman profiled Martin, you are kidding yourself.
wow....you have absolutely no evidence of that, yet you are sure. Unbelievable how much you go along with the ignorant mentality that actions by whites (or half whites/hispanics in this case) is racial. Sad actually.
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There were several people on here who early on said that GZ was a racist who profiled TM because he was black and attacked him accordingly. Now that the girlfriend has stated that TM was a racist, I wonder if people will assume that he attacked GZ because he was a cracker.
GZ isn't on trial for profiling someone. And being racist isn't a chargabe offense. But I don't know how you can say he didn't assume something about Martin, either because f skin color, how he dressed, etc.......he didn't make a call to police for every 17 year old he saw.

So if we accept as fact that Martin is racist -- which has factual basis -- I'm not sure how that would make the situation any different. Martin wasn't the one who exited his car and pursued.
the defense will contend that Martin was the aggressor, and now they have basis to claim that he had a racial bias to do so.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591520-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-neighbor-testifies-trayvon-martin-was-straddling-zimmerman-moments-before-fatal-gunshot/

Some posters had GZ convicted before this ever started. Funny how emotions and not knowing a damn thing about the case makes someone's common sense just disappear.
If you'd actually read any of this thread, then you would know that many (maybe all) of those same posters believe Martin had a right to defend himself. Your article is pretty meaningless in that it doesn't matter if Martin was winning the fight because Zimmerman's actions gave him the right to fight and defend himself.

However, I did particularly like this quote from your article.

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However, Good testified that he didn't see the person on top smashing the other person's head into the sidewalk, as Zimmerman claims Martin did before he fatally shot the teen.

If Martin was on top, allegedly pummeling GZ, I'm not sure how it really matters if the witness saw the head slamming as well...Zimmerman also claimed that he was being punched, which is equally life threatening.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591520-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-neighbor-testifies-trayvon-martin-was-straddling-zimmerman-moments-before-fatal-gunshot/

Some posters had GZ convicted before this ever started. Funny how emotions and not knowing a damn thing about the case makes someone's common sense just disappear.
If you'd actually read any of this thread, then you would know that many (maybe all) of those same posters believe Martin had a right to defend himself. Your article is pretty meaningless in that it doesn't matter if Martin was winning the fight because Zimmerman's actions gave him the right to fight and defend himself.

However, I did particularly like this quote from your article.

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However, Good testified that he didn't see the person on top smashing the other person's head into the sidewalk, as Zimmerman claims Martin did before he fatally shot the teen.

If Martin was on top, allegedly pummeling GZ, I'm not sure how it really matters if the witness saw the head slamming as well...Zimmerman also claimed that he was being punched, which is equally life threatening.
allegedly being the key word there... TM was obviously on top but what was happening wasn't clear to Good... so in his testimony I think he wanted to make it apparent that yes he thought TM was moving his hands in a ground and pound motion but he didn't see him inflict any actual damage...
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There were several people on here who early on said that GZ was a racist who profiled TM because he was black and attacked him accordingly. Now that the girlfriend has stated that TM was a racist, I wonder if people will assume that he attacked GZ because he was a cracker.
I'm guessing probably not... GZ isn't even a fit for the racial slur "cracker". Without knowing exactly what happened in the beginning of the altercation I'm finding it hard to believe there will be a conviction out of this... Who's to say TM wouldn't have killed GZ by continuously slamming his head into the pavement, had GZ not shot him?
dreach has explained that getting your head slammed into the ground isn't life threatening.
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I guess those weren't your exact words, but it's hard to deny what you were indicating here.

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Maybe Zimmerman really felt like his life was in imminent danger. I don't know. I just don't see it though



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But no, I don't think Martin should have used deadly force in his self defense unless he felt his life was imminently in danger.
What I'm indicating is that 2 scratches not requiring any medical attention on the back of his head is NOT indicative of someone getting their head slammed into the ground. I don't believe Martin was slamming Zimmerman's head into the ground. How you managed to translate that into me not thinking it's life threatening to have your head slammed into the ground repeatedly, well, I'll never know.
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There were several people on here who early on said that GZ was a racist who profiled TM because he was black and attacked him accordingly. Now that the girlfriend has stated that TM was a racist, I wonder if people will assume that he attacked GZ because he was a cracker.
If you don't think Zimmerman profiled Martin, you are kidding yourself.
wow....you have absolutely no evidence of that, yet you are sure. Unbelievable how much you go along with the ignorant mentality that actions by whites (or half whites/hispanics in this case) is racial. Sad actually.
Explain to me how it could NOT be profiling? Go for it. I would love to know how Zimmerman determined that Martin was danger without profiling him. Was it the skittles? The iced tea? Tell me.
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There were several people on here who early on said that GZ was a racist who profiled TM because he was black and attacked him accordingly. Now that the girlfriend has stated that TM was a racist, I wonder if people will assume that he attacked GZ because he was a cracker.
I'm guessing probably not... GZ isn't even a fit for the racial slur "cracker". Without knowing exactly what happened in the beginning of the altercation I'm finding it hard to believe there will be a conviction out of this... Who's to say TM wouldn't have killed GZ by continuously slamming his head into the pavement, had GZ not shot him?
dreach has explained that getting your head slammed into the ground isn't life threatening.
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I guess those weren't your exact words, but it's hard to deny what you were indicating here.

http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/topic/7184833/51/
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Maybe Zimmerman really felt like his life was in imminent danger. I don't know. I just don't see it though



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But no, I don't think Martin should have used deadly force in his self defense unless he felt his life was imminently in danger.
What I'm indicating is that 2 scratches not requiring any medical attention on the back of his head is NOT indicative of someone getting their head slammed into the ground. I don't believe Martin was slamming Zimmerman's head into the ground. How you managed to translate that into me not thinking it's life threatening to have your head slammed into the ground repeatedly, well, I'll never know.
New photos that have been withheld to the public have been shown now in the trial... those two little scratches almost covered the back of his head in blood.... and his nose was pretty messed up too... So more evidence is becoming available to the public now
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New photos that have been withheld to the public have been shown now in the trial... those two little scratches almost covered the back of his head in blood.... and his nose was pretty messed up too... So more evidence is becoming available to the public now
The head bleeds a lot, no doubt, but he still needed zero stitches. That's a scratch. The reason having your head slammed into the ground is life threatening is because of the immense damage it can cause. No concussion. No stitches. No medical attention. Hard for me to believe his head was being slammed into the ground.

So what else could cause scratches on the back of the head? Well, if Zimmerman was fighting someone on concrete and he was on his back, I would expect his head would get scratched up.
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There were several people on here who early on said that GZ was a racist who profiled TM because he was black and attacked him accordingly. Now that the girlfriend has stated that TM was a racist, I wonder if people will assume that he attacked GZ because he was a cracker.
If you don't think Zimmerman profiled Martin, you are kidding yourself.
wow....you have absolutely no evidence of that, yet you are sure. Unbelievable how much you go along with the ignorant mentality that actions by whites (or half whites/hispanics in this case) is racial. Sad actually.
Screw your holier than thou mentality and your inability to actually read what I posted. Funny how you conveniently lump whites with Hispanic individuals as well....as if you feel that I only think that black individuals could be profiled.

My statement was that Zimmerman profiled him because of something....could be skin color, could be how he was dressed, but it had to be something or HE DOES'T CALL THE POLICE NOR PURSUE HIM. He did not see him committing a crime...varying an exposed weapon....so he to be profiling him based on something. What is pathetic is that when I say it had to be something that made him profile him as a criminal and offer one possibility that it could be his skin color, you shudder at that notion that skin color could even *gasp* be a possibility.

Zimmerman's gut feeling was tha Martin was up to no good. But that was not based on actual observed illegal actions that Martin did....therefore, he had to profile him as being a criminal based on something or a combination of things. But indicated that one of those things COULD be racial makes me ignorant? Really? Are you willing to say that it absolutely was not? If not, get off my back for saying it could be instead of accusing me of saying that it was.
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There were several people on here who early on said that GZ was a racist who profiled TM because he was black and attacked him accordingly. Now that the girlfriend has stated that TM was a racist, I wonder if people will assume that he attacked GZ because he was a cracker.
If you don't think Zimmerman profiled Martin, you are kidding yourself.
wow....you have absolutely no evidence of that, yet you are sure. Unbelievable how much you go along with the ignorant mentality that actions by whites (or half whites/hispanics in this case) is racial. Sad actually.
Screw your holier than thou mentality and your inability to actually read what I posted. Funny how you conveniently lump whites with Hispanic individuals as well....as if you feel that I only think that black individuals could be profiled.

My statement was that Zimmerman profiled him because of something....could be skin color, could be how he was dressed, but it had to be something or HE DOES'T CALL THE POLICE NOR PURSUE HIM. He did not see him committing a crime...varying an exposed weapon....so he to be profiling him based on something. What is pathetic is that when I say it had to be something that made him profile him as a criminal and offer one possibility that it could be his skin color, you shudder at that notion that skin color could even *gasp* be a possibility.
This seems to me to be incredibly obvious. If Zimmerman didn't profile Martin, then that means he calls the cops for every single person walking through his neighborhood who he doesn't recognize. That obviously doesn't happen, so he must have profiled Martin. I fail to see any other logical conclusion.
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There were several people on here who early on said that GZ was a racist who profiled TM because he was black and attacked him accordingly. Now that the girlfriend has stated that TM was a racist, I wonder if people will assume that he attacked GZ because he was a cracker.
If you don't think Zimmerman profiled Martin, you are kidding yourself.
wow....you have absolutely no evidence of that, yet you are sure. Unbelievable how much you go along with the ignorant mentality that actions by whites (or half whites/hispanics in this case) is racial. Sad actually.
Explain to me how it could NOT be profiling? Go for it. I would love to know how Zimmerman determined that Martin was danger without profiling him. Was it the skittles? The iced tea? Tell me.
profiling yes....sure he was, but you know as well as I do that in the context of what I wrote, I was referring to racial profiling. My entire post was about the racial angle dreach.
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There were several people on here who early on said that GZ was a racist who profiled TM because he was black and attacked him accordingly. Now that the girlfriend has stated that TM was a racist, I wonder if people will assume that he attacked GZ because he was a cracker.
If you don't think Zimmerman profiled Martin, you are kidding yourself.
wow....you have absolutely no evidence of that, yet you are sure. Unbelievable how much you go along with the ignorant mentality that actions by whites (or half whites/hispanics in this case) is racial. Sad actually.
Screw your holier than thou mentality and your inability to actually read what I posted. Funny how you conveniently lump whites with Hispanic individuals as well....as if you feel that I only think that black individuals could be profiled.

My statement was that Zimmerman profiled him because of something....could be skin color, could be how he was dressed, but it had to be something or HE DOES'T CALL THE POLICE NOR PURSUE HIM. He did not see him committing a crime...varying an exposed weapon....so he to be profiling him based on something. What is pathetic is that when I say it had to be something that made him profile him as a criminal and offer one possibility that it could be his skin color, you shudder at that notion that skin color could even *gasp* be a possibility.

Zimmerman's gut feeling was tha Martin was up to no good. But that was not based on actual observed illegal actions that Martin did....therefore, he had to profile him as being a criminal based on something or a combination of things. But indicated that one of those things COULD be racial makes me ignorant? Really? Are you willing to say that it absolutely was not? If not, get off my back for saying it could be instead of accusing me of saying that it was.
i'm confused....was this brum's post or dreach's?
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There were several people on here who early on said that GZ was a racist who profiled TM because he was black and attacked him accordingly. Now that the girlfriend has stated that TM was a racist, I wonder if people will assume that he attacked GZ because he was a cracker.
If you don't think Zimmerman profiled Martin, you are kidding yourself.
wow....you have absolutely no evidence of that, yet you are sure. Unbelievable how much you go along with the ignorant mentality that actions by whites (or half whites/hispanics in this case) is racial. Sad actually.
Explain to me how it could NOT be profiling? Go for it. I would love to know how Zimmerman determined that Martin was danger without profiling him. Was it the skittles? The iced tea? Tell me.
profiling yes....sure he was, but you know as well as I do that in the context of what I wrote, I was referring to racial profiling. My entire post was about the racial angle dreach.
Ok. Fair enough. Of course you must acknowledge that it's possible racial profiling was indeed part of the equation, no?
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