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dreach has explained that getting your head slammed into the ground isn't life threatening.
So the above is explained by your statement above HOW?
read brum. Dreach said that if GZ's story was true (about getting his head slammed into the ground) then he still doesn't think GZ's life was in danger. So....am I to derive from that that dreach thinks getting your head slammed into the ground is life threatening, except int he case of GZ?
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What were you saying earlier about "manning up"?
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So you can't find any quotes from me saying getting your head bashed into the sidewalk is life threatening or that Zimmerman chased down Martin like a dog? Were you able to search all the "mysteriously deleted" posts on your desktop? Got it.

And again, for the 1000th time, I don't believe Zimmerman was getting his head slammed into the ground. I have said this time and time and time again.
http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/single/?p=8251085&t=7184833

By saying "if ZImmerman's story is true", I'm obviously talking about his version of Martin doubling back and attacking him unprovoked. When I say, "I'm not sure he was ever in a situation where his life was in danger" it's because I don't believe him when he says his head was getting slammed into the ground. Hence the "I'm not sure". Here's another quote from me.

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Let's not get into the "fatal violence" discussion. We're never going to agree on that. I don't think Zimmerman's injuries were life threatening in any way. You think they were significant enough for Zimmerman to shoot Martin. Let's just leave it at that.


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I believe deadly force should only be used when it is absolutely necessary. A "him or me" type of situation. I just don't see that here. Yeah, Zimmerman may have gotten his butt whooped, but it wasn't bad enough to give him a concussion, stitches, or even a basic medical evaluation as he refused treatment. I don't think getting yer clock cleaned is reason enough to shoot and kill someone. I need to know that Zimmerman did everything in his power to NOT shoot Trayvon Martin. That is responsible gun ownership to me.


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I think if Zimmerman's story is true than he obviously wouldn't get convicted of 2nd degree murder and he really shouldn't. I'm still not convinced that deadly force was necessary and so I do think he'd still be convicted of some lesser charges. Not sure what those would be whether it's something like manslaughter or negligence or something.


And here - where I acknowledge that maybe Zimmerman really did feel like his life was in danger
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It's possible, but I've been a fight before. I didn't think I was going to DIE. I feel like there is a very distinct point when you believe the person you are fighting will kill you. The injuries inflicted just don't seem serious enough to come to that conclusion. I mean did Zimmerman really do EVERYTHING he could to avoid shooting Martin? He didn't identify himself? He didn't give any warning? He didn't try to run away? I mean admittedly it wasn't me there so I'm merely speculating. Maybe Zimmerman really felt like his life was in imminent danger. I don't know. I just don't see it though.


I have been incredibly consistent throughout. I don't believe Zimmerman was sustaining so much punishment that he would have felt his life was in danger. COULD he have died from a punch? Yes.But that situation is so incredibly rare that no one thinks they are going to die from a punch. Getting into a fistfight is not a good enough reason to shoot and kill someone. Especially, as I believe, when you are the instigator of said fight.
LOL...when you said "if GZ's story was true" you only meant the part of it that still fits your narrative....got it. Thanks dreach.
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LOL...when you said "if GZ's story was true" you only meant the part of it that still fits your narrative....got it. Thanks dreach.
Hey genius, the quote about "if Zimmerman's story was true" was from a DIFFERENT post responding to a DIFFERENT question.
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What were you saying earlier about "manning up"?
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So you can't find any quotes from me saying getting your head bashed into the sidewalk is life threatening or that Zimmerman chased down Martin like a dog? Were you able to search all the "mysteriously deleted" posts on your desktop? Got it.

And again, for the 1000th time, I don't believe Zimmerman was getting his head slammed into the ground. I have said this time and time and time again.
http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/single/?p=8251085&t=7184833

By saying "if ZImmerman's story is true", I'm obviously talking about his version of Martin doubling back and attacking him unprovoked. When I say, "I'm not sure he was ever in a situation where his life was in danger" it's because I don't believe him when he says his head was getting slammed into the ground. Hence the "I'm not sure". Here's another quote from me.

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Let's not get into the "fatal violence" discussion. We're never going to agree on that. I don't think Zimmerman's injuries were life threatening in any way. You think they were significant enough for Zimmerman to shoot Martin. Let's just leave it at that.


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I believe deadly force should only be used when it is absolutely necessary. A "him or me" type of situation. I just don't see that here. Yeah, Zimmerman may have gotten his butt whooped, but it wasn't bad enough to give him a concussion, stitches, or even a basic medical evaluation as he refused treatment. I don't think getting yer clock cleaned is reason enough to shoot and kill someone. I need to know that Zimmerman did everything in his power to NOT shoot Trayvon Martin. That is responsible gun ownership to me.


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I think if Zimmerman's story is true than he obviously wouldn't get convicted of 2nd degree murder and he really shouldn't. I'm still not convinced that deadly force was necessary and so I do think he'd still be convicted of some lesser charges. Not sure what those would be whether it's something like manslaughter or negligence or something.


And here - where I acknowledge that maybe Zimmerman really did feel like his life was in danger
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It's possible, but I've been a fight before. I didn't think I was going to DIE. I feel like there is a very distinct point when you believe the person you are fighting will kill you. The injuries inflicted just don't seem serious enough to come to that conclusion. I mean did Zimmerman really do EVERYTHING he could to avoid shooting Martin? He didn't identify himself? He didn't give any warning? He didn't try to run away? I mean admittedly it wasn't me there so I'm merely speculating. Maybe Zimmerman really felt like his life was in imminent danger. I don't know. I just don't see it though.


I have been incredibly consistent throughout. I don't believe Zimmerman was sustaining so much punishment that he would have felt his life was in danger. COULD he have died from a punch? Yes.But that situation is so incredibly rare that no one thinks they are going to die from a punch. Getting into a fistfight is not a good enough reason to shoot and kill someone. Especially, as I believe, when you are the instigator of said fight.
I disagree with part of this statement but have no problem with it overall. However, GZ has claimed that he was pinned down getting punched and having his head slammed into the ground, and you stated that if GZ's story was true, you still don't feel that his life was in danger. I find it extremely preposterous that if GZ's story is true you don't feel he can stand his ground, but you feel TM can stand his ground for being followed.
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LOL...when you said "if GZ's story was true" you only meant the part of it that still fits your narrative....got it. Thanks dreach.
Hey genius, the quote about "if Zimmerman's story was true" was from a DIFFERENT post responding to a DIFFERENT question.
This post http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/single/?p=8251830&t=7184833 is in response to thi post http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/single/?p=8251824&t=7184833 where you directly as me about Zimmerman story of heading back to his car when he was attacked. NOT about Zimmermans entire story including getting his head bashed in. You=fail
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dreach has explained that getting your head slammed into the ground isn't life threatening.
So the above is explained by your statement above HOW?
read brum. Dreach said that if GZ's story was true (about getting his head slammed into the ground) then he still doesn't think GZ's life was in danger. So....am I to derive from that that dreach thinks getting your head slammed into the ground is life threatening, except int he case of GZ?
HE NEVER FUCKING SAID ANYTHING ABOUT GETTING HIS HEAD SLAMMED AND DEFINED THE NARRATIVE TO BE THE PART WHERE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT TO BE ABOUT GOING BACK TO THIS TRUCK.

"The only scenario I can see that condemns Martin is the same one as Zimmerman's story. If Zimmerman was walking back to his truck or waiting at his truck and Martin ambushed him, then I think Zimmerman's right to defend himself has been restored."


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LOL...when you said "if GZ's story was true" you only meant the part of it that still fits your narrative....got it. Thanks dreach.
Hey genius, the quote about "if Zimmerman's story was true" was from a DIFFERENT post responding to a DIFFERENT question.
This post http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/single/?p=8251830&t=7184833 is in response to thi post http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/single/?p=8251824&t=7184833 where you directly as me about Zimmerman story of heading back to his car when he was attacked. NOT about Zimmermans entire story including getting his head bashed in. You=fail
holy shit....WE WERE TALKING ABOUT GZ GETTING HIS HEAD SLAMMED INTO THE GROUND....and somehow I am supposed to conclude that you weren't actually talking about that part of GZ's story being true? What a joke.
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dreach has explained that getting your head slammed into the ground isn't life threatening.
So the above is explained by your statement above HOW?
read brum. Dreach said that if GZ's story was true (about getting his head slammed into the ground) then he still doesn't think GZ's life was in danger. So....am I to derive from that that dreach thinks getting your head slammed into the ground is life threatening, except int he case of GZ?
HE NEVER FUCKING SAID ANYTHING ABOUT GETTING HIS HEAD SLAMMED AND DEFINED THE NARRATIVE TO BE THE PART WHERE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT TO BE ABOUT GOING BACK TO THIS TRUCK.

"The only scenario I can see that condemns Martin is the same one as Zimmerman's story. If Zimmerman was walking back to his truck or waiting at his truck and Martin ambushed him, then I think Zimmerman's right to defend himself has been restored."


he also said this
"If Zimmerman headed back and was waiting by his car as Martin approaches him and then attacks him then it certainly muddies the waters for me.......On the 3rd hand, I'm not sure if he was ever in a situation where he felt his life was in danger and was forced to kill Martin"

so...once again we are talking about GZ's story of Martin doubling back and attacking him....and what exactly happened in that attack according to GZ?
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Let's just make it real simple dreach...if GZ's story is true, was his life in danger, and did he have a right to use deadly force?
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LOL...when you said "if GZ's story was true" you only meant the part of it that still fits your narrative....got it. Thanks dreach.
Hey genius, the quote about "if Zimmerman's story was true" was from a DIFFERENT post responding to a DIFFERENT question.
This post http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/single/?p=8251830&t=7184833 is in response to thi post http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/single/?p=8251824&t=7184833 where you directly as me about Zimmerman story of heading back to his car when he was attacked. NOT about Zimmermans entire story including getting his head bashed in. You=fail
holy shit....WE WERE TALKING ABOUT GZ GETTING HIS HEAD SLAMMED INTO THE GROUND....and somehow I am supposed to conclude that you weren't actually talking about that part of GZ's story being true? What a joke.
Fail again. In those posts we were NOT talking about Zimmerman getting his head bashed in. Your question is specifically about HOW the altercation occurred. Here is the post before your post where, again, I am talking specifically about HOW the altercation happened. http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/single/?p=8251812&t=7184833

And here are the posts before that one specifically talking about how the altercation happened. NO ONE in any of these posts is talking about Zimmerman's head being bashed into the sidewalk. http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/single/?p=8251807&t=7184833

You are driving the making shit up train at this point.
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Let's just make it real simple dreach...if GZ's story is true, was his life in danger, and did he have a right to use deadly force?
If Zimmerman's story is 100% true from top to bottom then absolutely I have no problem with what happened that night. I still wouldn't have initially chased after Martin, but that alone was not enough to illicit the reaction Zimmerman says it did.
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Let's just make it real simple dreach...if GZ's story is true, was his life in danger, and did he have a right to use deadly force?
If Zimmerman's story is 100% true from top to bottom then absolutely I have no problem with what happened that night. I still wouldn't have initially chased after Martin, but that alone was not enough to illicit the reaction Zimmerman says it did.
Fair enough. Note, I'm not the only one who interpreted your comments like I did.
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