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boilergrad01 Jul 14 2013, 11:14 AM Post #1096
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Lars,

Think of a lawyer like a fox news anaylist attacking a democrat or msnbc defending Obama. Their job is to spin things to put their client in the best light.
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Lars,

Think of a lawyer like a fox news anaylist attacking a democrat or msnbc defending Obama. Their job is to spin things to put their client in the best light.
I understand our legal system and the lawyers' roles.

Fox will routinely have Democrats on who express opposing views, unlike MSNBC which is just an echo chamber for liberal thought. The MSM consistently promotes liberal views, so I don't understand why people attack Fox News. Our political system only functions properly when a watchdog media is keeping an eye on all politicians. The MSM does its job watching Republican politicians. Democrats, not so much.
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Wow.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/14/naacp-asking-obama-administration-to-pursue-zimmerman-civil-case/
NAACP President Benjamin Todd Jealous started the drive by posting a petition Sunday morning on the website MoveOn.org that is addressed to Attorney General Eric Holder.

"The most fundamental of civil rights -- the right to life -- was violated the night George Zimmerman stalked and then took the life of Trayvon Martin," Jealous wrote in the petition.
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Where's my huge, heaving over bowl of crow. I guaranteed 2nd degree murder.

Got my bib on, I'm ready.
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Where's my huge, heaving over bowl of crow. I guaranteed 2nd degree murder.

Got my bib on, I'm ready.
Like people have said, the verdict was "not-guilty", not "innocent." I think it was very difficult for the state to prove this case beyond a "reasonable doubt." In the end, here's the short list of facts that I think won the day for GZ:

1) He has no record of racism, and had multiple examples of quite the opposite
2) From the evidence, GZ was on the business end of a beat-down
3) Eyewitness says TM was on top, giving a "MMA style" beating
4) Forensics confirmed the shot was fired from a few inches, consistent with GZ's version of the events
5) Detectives said they believed GZ was being honest

If I was on the jury, those five points would have given me a reasonable doubt whether GZ deserved to go to prison for what was clearly poor judgement.
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Jazen Jul 14 2013, 10:07 PM Post #1101
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Where's my huge, heaving over bowl of crow. I guaranteed 2nd degree murder.

Got my bib on, I'm ready.
Like people have said, the verdict was "not-guilty", not "innocent." I think it was very difficult for the state to prove this case beyond a "reasonable doubt." In the end, here's the short list of facts that I think won the day for GZ:

1) He has no record of racism, and had multiple examples of quite the opposite
2) From the evidence, GZ was on the business end of a beat-down
3) Eyewitness says TM was on top, giving a "MMA style" beating
4) Forensics confirmed the shot was fired from a few inches, consistent with GZ's version of the events
5) Detectives said they believed GZ was being honest

If I was on the jury, those five points would have given me a reasonable doubt whether GZ deserved to go to prison for what was clearly poor judgement.
Totally agree, Lars. The jury most definitely got it right per the State's case. First, he walks out of jail after murdering a young man, then he walks out of trial a free man.

That is one lucky little fat man.
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brumdog44 Jul 14 2013, 11:13 PM Post #1102
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As far as I've heard, not a single riot.
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As far as I've heard, not a single riot.
Me either. Unbelievable really. I would have almost guaranteed that too.
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ok, ok...

I guarantee George Zimmerman won't be taking a stroll in a black neighborhood anytime soon.

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As far as I've heard, not a single riot.
Me either. Unbelievable really. I would have almost guaranteed that too.
Honestly, the media tried to turn this one into a firestorm but the markings weren't there for it. This was not a Rodney King story with videotape to show what had occurred and the make up of Miami is totally different than LA.
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As far as I've heard, not a single riot.
Me either. Unbelievable really. I would have almost guaranteed that too.
Honestly, the media tried to turn this one into a firestorm but the markings weren't there for it. This was not a Rodney King story with videotape to show what had occurred and the make up of Miami is totally different than LA.
Agreed, brum. For some reason, I truly thought there would be some sort of violence nationwide -- sporadic perhaps, but at least something somewhere. The media wanted it, no matter what BS spews out of their mouths. That would have been bread and butter for a year if not more.

I have to admit, it's strangely quiet "out there", a world of turnaround after all the public violence in the last year or so.

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I'm loving the lack of violence. Amazing.

It's not over for Zimmerman, for sure. But I can happily say that we've avoided a very stupid knee-jerk situation nationwide. yay.

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Where's my huge, heaving over bowl of crow. I guaranteed 2nd degree murder.

Got my bib on, I'm ready.
Like people have said, the verdict was "not-guilty", not "innocent." I think it was very difficult for the state to prove this case beyond a "reasonable doubt." In the end, here's the short list of facts that I think won the day for GZ:

1) He has no record of racism, and had multiple examples of quite the opposite
2) From the evidence, GZ was on the business end of a beat-down
3) Eyewitness says TM was on top, giving a "MMA style" beating
4) Forensics confirmed the shot was fired from a few inches, consistent with GZ's version of the events
5) Detectives said they believed GZ was being honest

If I was on the jury, those five points would have given me a reasonable doubt whether GZ deserved to go to prison for what was clearly poor judgement.
Totally agree, Lars. The jury most definitely got it right per the State's case. First, he walks out of jail after murdering a young man, then he walks out of trial a free man.

That is one lucky little fat man.
So he still murdered him? I thought the trial just proved the opposite?
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As far as I've heard, not a single riot.
there were some, but not nearly what many expected.
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The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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Jul 14 2013, 09:53 PM
Where's my huge, heaving over bowl of crow. I guaranteed 2nd degree murder.

Got my bib on, I'm ready.
Like people have said, the verdict was "not-guilty", not "innocent." I think it was very difficult for the state to prove this case beyond a "reasonable doubt." In the end, here's the short list of facts that I think won the day for GZ:

1) He has no record of racism, and had multiple examples of quite the opposite
2) From the evidence, GZ was on the business end of a beat-down
3) Eyewitness says TM was on top, giving a "MMA style" beating
4) Forensics confirmed the shot was fired from a few inches, consistent with GZ's version of the events
5) Detectives said they believed GZ was being honest

If I was on the jury, those five points would have given me a reasonable doubt whether GZ deserved to go to prison for what was clearly poor judgement.
Totally agree, Lars. The jury most definitely got it right per the State's case. First, he walks out of jail after murdering a young man, then he walks out of trial a free man.

That is one lucky little fat man.
So he still murdered him? I thought the trial just proved the opposite?
You never answered my question about whether you believe OJ or Casey Anthony was guilty.
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