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Where's my huge, heaving over bowl of crow. I guaranteed 2nd degree murder.

Got my bib on, I'm ready.
Like people have said, the verdict was "not-guilty", not "innocent." I think it was very difficult for the state to prove this case beyond a "reasonable doubt." In the end, here's the short list of facts that I think won the day for GZ:

1) He has no record of racism, and had multiple examples of quite the opposite
2) From the evidence, GZ was on the business end of a beat-down
3) Eyewitness says TM was on top, giving a "MMA style" beating
4) Forensics confirmed the shot was fired from a few inches, consistent with GZ's version of the events
5) Detectives said they believed GZ was being honest

If I was on the jury, those five points would have given me a reasonable doubt whether GZ deserved to go to prison for what was clearly poor judgement.
Totally agree, Lars. The jury most definitely got it right per the State's case. First, he walks out of jail after murdering a young man, then he walks out of trial a free man.

That is one lucky little fat man.
So he still murdered him? I thought the trial just proved the opposite?
You never answered my question about whether you believe OJ or Casey Anthony was guilty.
I do. I also think the investigators and, to a lesser extent, the jury made mistakes in those cases.....I don't feel that way about the Zimmerman case...it just seems like there wasn't enough evidence available.
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Where's my huge, heaving over bowl of crow. I guaranteed 2nd degree murder.

Got my bib on, I'm ready.
Like people have said, the verdict was "not-guilty", not "innocent." I think it was very difficult for the state to prove this case beyond a "reasonable doubt." In the end, here's the short list of facts that I think won the day for GZ:

1) He has no record of racism, and had multiple examples of quite the opposite
2) From the evidence, GZ was on the business end of a beat-down
3) Eyewitness says TM was on top, giving a "MMA style" beating
4) Forensics confirmed the shot was fired from a few inches, consistent with GZ's version of the events
5) Detectives said they believed GZ was being honest

If I was on the jury, those five points would have given me a reasonable doubt whether GZ deserved to go to prison for what was clearly poor judgement.
Totally agree, Lars. The jury most definitely got it right per the State's case. First, he walks out of jail after murdering a young man, then he walks out of trial a free man.

That is one lucky little fat man.
So he still murdered him? I thought the trial just proved the opposite?
You never answered my question about whether you believe OJ or Casey Anthony was guilty.
I do. I also think the investigators and, to a lesser extent, the jury made mistakes in those cases.....I don't feel that way about the Zimmerman case...it just seems like there wasn't enough evidence available.
That's fine. My only point to Colt is that just because those jury's found those people not guilty doesn't mean they didn't actually commit those crimes.
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ok, ok...

I guarantee George Zimmerman won't be taking a stroll in a black neighborhood anytime soon.

Definitely not without his 9mm.
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Where's my huge, heaving over bowl of crow. I guaranteed 2nd degree murder.

Got my bib on, I'm ready.
Like people have said, the verdict was "not-guilty", not "innocent." I think it was very difficult for the state to prove this case beyond a "reasonable doubt." In the end, here's the short list of facts that I think won the day for GZ:

1) He has no record of racism, and had multiple examples of quite the opposite
2) From the evidence, GZ was on the business end of a beat-down
3) Eyewitness says TM was on top, giving a "MMA style" beating
4) Forensics confirmed the shot was fired from a few inches, consistent with GZ's version of the events
5) Detectives said they believed GZ was being honest

If I was on the jury, those five points would have given me a reasonable doubt whether GZ deserved to go to prison for what was clearly poor judgement.
Totally agree, Lars. The jury most definitely got it right per the State's case. First, he walks out of jail after murdering a young man, then he walks out of trial a free man.

That is one lucky little fat man.
So he still murdered him? I thought the trial just proved the opposite?
You never answered my question about whether you believe OJ or Casey Anthony was guilty.
I do. I also think the investigators and, to a lesser extent, the jury made mistakes in those cases.....I don't feel that way about the Zimmerman case...it just seems like there wasn't enough evidence available.
That's fine. My only point to Colt is that just because those jury's found those people not guilty doesn't mean they didn't actually commit those crimes.
Murder involves intent. You may not like his actions but the law is the law. There was never evidence of legally defined murder....just my opinion.
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Bernard Goldberg weight in
http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/zimmerman-is-not-guilty-what-about-the-media/
The sad fact is that while African Americans make up only about 12 or 13 percent of the population, and young black men considerably less than that, they commit a disproportionate amount of crime. This is no secret. Everybody knows it’s true, even anchormen and other white liberals. So when Zimmerman saw this black kid in his mostly white, gated community, he did some quick, reflexive calculations — and thought the boy might be up to no good. Yes, he did use color as a ground for suspicion.

That doesn’t make Trayvon Martin a criminal, of course, but it also doesn’t make George Zimmerman a racist. He had the same thoughts about Trayvon Martin that most of us would have had, whether we admit it or not.
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Someone needs to tell Mr. Smiley, the Reverend Sharpton, the civil rights establishment and white liberals both in and out of the media that we are no longer living in 1955 Mississippi. If there is a crime involving two races today, the victim is most likely going to be white and the criminal is most likely going to be black – not the other way around. That may be one more thing polite people aren’t supposed to say out loud – and certainly not in public.
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Where's my huge, heaving over bowl of crow. I guaranteed 2nd degree murder.

Got my bib on, I'm ready.
Like people have said, the verdict was "not-guilty", not "innocent." I think it was very difficult for the state to prove this case beyond a "reasonable doubt." In the end, here's the short list of facts that I think won the day for GZ:

1) He has no record of racism, and had multiple examples of quite the opposite
2) From the evidence, GZ was on the business end of a beat-down
3) Eyewitness says TM was on top, giving a "MMA style" beating
4) Forensics confirmed the shot was fired from a few inches, consistent with GZ's version of the events
5) Detectives said they believed GZ was being honest

If I was on the jury, those five points would have given me a reasonable doubt whether GZ deserved to go to prison for what was clearly poor judgement.
Totally agree, Lars. The jury most definitely got it right per the State's case. First, he walks out of jail after murdering a young man, then he walks out of trial a free man.

That is one lucky little fat man.
So he still murdered him? I thought the trial just proved the opposite?
I watched the trial and still believed he murdered him. Just because the state couldn't prove it doesn't make it so.

Casey Anthony murdered her daughter, and as far as I know, she's walking free too.
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Where's my huge, heaving over bowl of crow. I guaranteed 2nd degree murder.

Got my bib on, I'm ready.
Like people have said, the verdict was "not-guilty", not "innocent." I think it was very difficult for the state to prove this case beyond a "reasonable doubt." In the end, here's the short list of facts that I think won the day for GZ:

1) He has no record of racism, and had multiple examples of quite the opposite
2) From the evidence, GZ was on the business end of a beat-down
3) Eyewitness says TM was on top, giving a "MMA style" beating
4) Forensics confirmed the shot was fired from a few inches, consistent with GZ's version of the events
5) Detectives said they believed GZ was being honest

If I was on the jury, those five points would have given me a reasonable doubt whether GZ deserved to go to prison for what was clearly poor judgement.
Totally agree, Lars. The jury most definitely got it right per the State's case. First, he walks out of jail after murdering a young man, then he walks out of trial a free man.

That is one lucky little fat man.
So he still murdered him? I thought the trial just proved the opposite?
I watched the trial and still believed he murdered him. Just because the state couldn't prove it doesn't make it so.

Casey Anthony murdered her daughter, and as far as I know, she's walking free too.
So you believe that he entered into that entire situation with the intent to kill?
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Where's my huge, heaving over bowl of crow. I guaranteed 2nd degree murder.

Got my bib on, I'm ready.
Like people have said, the verdict was "not-guilty", not "innocent." I think it was very difficult for the state to prove this case beyond a "reasonable doubt." In the end, here's the short list of facts that I think won the day for GZ:

1) He has no record of racism, and had multiple examples of quite the opposite
2) From the evidence, GZ was on the business end of a beat-down
3) Eyewitness says TM was on top, giving a "MMA style" beating
4) Forensics confirmed the shot was fired from a few inches, consistent with GZ's version of the events
5) Detectives said they believed GZ was being honest

If I was on the jury, those five points would have given me a reasonable doubt whether GZ deserved to go to prison for what was clearly poor judgement.
Totally agree, Lars. The jury most definitely got it right per the State's case. First, he walks out of jail after murdering a young man, then he walks out of trial a free man.

That is one lucky little fat man.
So he still murdered him? I thought the trial just proved the opposite?
I watched the trial and still believed he murdered him. Just because the state couldn't prove it doesn't make it so.

Casey Anthony murdered her daughter, and as far as I know, she's walking free too.
So you believe that he entered into that entire situation with the intent to kill?
No, that would have been first degree murder.

I believe he went into that situation, with a loaded weapon, with the intent to intimidate an innocent young man (that he profiled because he was black) who was merely walking down the sidewalk , and then wound up murdering him.

Manslaughter at the very least.
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Where's my huge, heaving over bowl of crow. I guaranteed 2nd degree murder.

Got my bib on, I'm ready.
Like people have said, the verdict was "not-guilty", not "innocent." I think it was very difficult for the state to prove this case beyond a "reasonable doubt." In the end, here's the short list of facts that I think won the day for GZ:

1) He has no record of racism, and had multiple examples of quite the opposite
2) From the evidence, GZ was on the business end of a beat-down
3) Eyewitness says TM was on top, giving a "MMA style" beating
4) Forensics confirmed the shot was fired from a few inches, consistent with GZ's version of the events
5) Detectives said they believed GZ was being honest

If I was on the jury, those five points would have given me a reasonable doubt whether GZ deserved to go to prison for what was clearly poor judgement.
Totally agree, Lars. The jury most definitely got it right per the State's case. First, he walks out of jail after murdering a young man, then he walks out of trial a free man.

That is one lucky little fat man.
So he still murdered him? I thought the trial just proved the opposite?
You never answered my question about whether you believe OJ or Casey Anthony was guilty.
I do. I also think the investigators and, to a lesser extent, the jury made mistakes in those cases.....I don't feel that way about the Zimmerman case...it just seems like there wasn't enough evidence available.
That's fine. My only point to Colt is that just because those jury's found those people not guilty doesn't mean they didn't actually commit those crimes.
Murder involves intent. You may not like his actions but the law is the law. There was never evidence of legally defined murder....just my opinion.
Stiiiiiiiil didn't answer my question.

It's your opinion that the courts got it right in the Zimmerman case. That's fine. But you must acknowledge that not everyone believes that's the case. Just like not everyone believes the courts got it right in the OJ or Anthony cases.

So when Jaz says that he believes Zimmerman got away with Murder, and your response is "didn't the trial just prove the opposite?" The answer is...of course not.
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Where's my huge, heaving over bowl of crow. I guaranteed 2nd degree murder.

Got my bib on, I'm ready.
Like people have said, the verdict was "not-guilty", not "innocent." I think it was very difficult for the state to prove this case beyond a "reasonable doubt." In the end, here's the short list of facts that I think won the day for GZ:

1) He has no record of racism, and had multiple examples of quite the opposite
2) From the evidence, GZ was on the business end of a beat-down
3) Eyewitness says TM was on top, giving a "MMA style" beating
4) Forensics confirmed the shot was fired from a few inches, consistent with GZ's version of the events
5) Detectives said they believed GZ was being honest

If I was on the jury, those five points would have given me a reasonable doubt whether GZ deserved to go to prison for what was clearly poor judgement.
Totally agree, Lars. The jury most definitely got it right per the State's case. First, he walks out of jail after murdering a young man, then he walks out of trial a free man.

That is one lucky little fat man.
So he still murdered him? I thought the trial just proved the opposite?
You never answered my question about whether you believe OJ or Casey Anthony was guilty.
I do. I also think the investigators and, to a lesser extent, the jury made mistakes in those cases.....I don't feel that way about the Zimmerman case...it just seems like there wasn't enough evidence available.
That's fine. My only point to Colt is that just because those jury's found those people not guilty doesn't mean they didn't actually commit those crimes.
Murder involves intent. You may not like his actions but the law is the law. There was never evidence of legally defined murder....just my opinion.
Stiiiiiiiil didn't answer my question.

It's your opinion that the courts got it right in the Zimmerman case. That's fine. But you must acknowledge that not everyone believes that's the case. Just like not everyone believes the courts got it right in the OJ or Anthony cases.

So when Jaz says that he believes Zimmerman got away with Murder, and your response is "didn't the trial just prove the opposite?" The answer is...of course not.
IMO, and I watched the trial, Zimmerman did get away with murder. The jury form says "Guilty" or "Not Guilty". It doesn't say "Innocent". The state didn't prove it and the jury got it right. Doesn't mean shit.

The little fat man better shack up and find him a nice hut on the Figi Islands. There is public outrage with not much violence to speak of (thankfully), but that doesn't mean he'll be sticking his head out the door anytime soon.

He knows what he did.
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I actually just heard this on HLN. A caller asked Mike Gallanos (anchor) if Trayvon Martin had been charged with physical assault.

:'(

In the words of Mark O'Mara: "Really??"
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Where's my huge, heaving over bowl of crow. I guaranteed 2nd degree murder.

Got my bib on, I'm ready.
Like people have said, the verdict was "not-guilty", not "innocent." I think it was very difficult for the state to prove this case beyond a "reasonable doubt." In the end, here's the short list of facts that I think won the day for GZ:

1) He has no record of racism, and had multiple examples of quite the opposite
2) From the evidence, GZ was on the business end of a beat-down
3) Eyewitness says TM was on top, giving a "MMA style" beating
4) Forensics confirmed the shot was fired from a few inches, consistent with GZ's version of the events
5) Detectives said they believed GZ was being honest

If I was on the jury, those five points would have given me a reasonable doubt whether GZ deserved to go to prison for what was clearly poor judgement.
Totally agree, Lars. The jury most definitely got it right per the State's case. First, he walks out of jail after murdering a young man, then he walks out of trial a free man.

That is one lucky little fat man.
So he still murdered him? I thought the trial just proved the opposite?
You never answered my question about whether you believe OJ or Casey Anthony was guilty.
I do. I also think the investigators and, to a lesser extent, the jury made mistakes in those cases.....I don't feel that way about the Zimmerman case...it just seems like there wasn't enough evidence available.
That's fine. My only point to Colt is that just because those jury's found those people not guilty doesn't mean they didn't actually commit those crimes.
Murder involves intent. You may not like his actions but the law is the law. There was never evidence of legally defined murder....just my opinion.
Stiiiiiiiil didn't answer my question.

It's your opinion that the courts got it right in the Zimmerman case. That's fine. But you must acknowledge that not everyone believes that's the case. Just like not everyone believes the courts got it right in the OJ or Anthony cases.

So when Jaz says that he believes Zimmerman got away with Murder, and your response is "didn't the trial just prove the opposite?" The answer is...of course not.


He knows what he did.
And it could be.... :o ....that he actually did what he said he did. Walked back to his car and was then attacked. It's as likely as anything else IMO.
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That's between he and his God at this point.

Or maybe just between he and himself, but that is for completely different threads already beaten to death.
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That's between he and his God at this point.

Or maybe just between he and himself, but that is for completely different threads already beaten to death.
Assuming GZ is a liberal, do you mean it's up to Eric Holder and the DoJ now? :P
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Where's my huge, heaving over bowl of crow. I guaranteed 2nd degree murder.

Got my bib on, I'm ready.
Like people have said, the verdict was "not-guilty", not "innocent." I think it was very difficult for the state to prove this case beyond a "reasonable doubt." In the end, here's the short list of facts that I think won the day for GZ:

1) He has no record of racism, and had multiple examples of quite the opposite
2) From the evidence, GZ was on the business end of a beat-down
3) Eyewitness says TM was on top, giving a "MMA style" beating
4) Forensics confirmed the shot was fired from a few inches, consistent with GZ's version of the events
5) Detectives said they believed GZ was being honest

If I was on the jury, those five points would have given me a reasonable doubt whether GZ deserved to go to prison for what was clearly poor judgement.
Totally agree, Lars. The jury most definitely got it right per the State's case. First, he walks out of jail after murdering a young man, then he walks out of trial a free man.

That is one lucky little fat man.
So he still murdered him? I thought the trial just proved the opposite?
I watched the trial and still believed he murdered him. Just because the state couldn't prove it doesn't make it so.

Casey Anthony murdered her daughter, and as far as I know, she's walking free too.
So you believe that he entered into that entire situation with the intent to kill?
No, that would have been first degree murder.

I believe he went into that situation, with a loaded weapon, with the intent to intimidate an innocent young man (that he profiled because he was black) who was merely walking down the sidewalk , and then wound up murdering him.

Manslaughter at the very least.
obviously race wasn't the sole basis of his profiling... you just proved that by describing TM as "young".. I'm sure the hoodie played a role in his profiling as well.... If the guy had been a 75 year old BLACK male do you think this wouldlve happen???? I think not
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