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George Zimmerman ; Combined Threads
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Mr Gray Apr 15 2012, 10:54 AM Post #106
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I still have a hard time seeing where a teenage boy walking down the street turns into self defense for Zimmerman.
that seems to be a conclusion drawn from emotion as opposed to logic and facts (please don't take that to be an offensive comment, because that is not my intent). Certainly a normal response given the fact that the situation ended in the death of a child, however if Zimmerman's story would turn out to be corroborated, it would pretty easily be labeled self defense.
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Hadn't thought about gun policies and stances. I wonder if even pro-gun people would view Zimmerman's action as a responsible way to own a firearm.
I'm clearly pro-gun. If he used the gun as a tool to intimidate, hunt down, and kill another person, that is not a responsible gun owner. If he used his gun as a last resort to kill someone in self defense, that is being a responsible gun owner.
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I still have a hard time seeing where a teenage boy walking down the street turns into self defense for Zimmerman.
that seems to be a conclusion drawn from emotion as opposed to logic and facts (please don't take that to be an offensive comment, because that is not my intent). Certainly a normal response given the fact that the situation ended in the death of a child, however if Zimmerman's story would turn out to be corroborated, it would pretty easily be labeled self defense.
There is something that I think you'll agree with, though....there certainly are levels of responsibility, even if we aren't talking about legal responsibility. Legally, that's not the case -- he is going to be guilty or not guilty.

Let's say that the shot had hit Martin in the leg and that Zimmerman's story was corroborated. I could see neither Martin nor Zimmerman ultimately being charged.
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I still have a hard time seeing where a teenage boy walking down the street turns into self defense for Zimmerman.
that seems to be a conclusion drawn from emotion as opposed to logic and facts (please don't take that to be an offensive comment, because that is not my intent). Certainly a normal response given the fact that the situation ended in the death of a child, however if Zimmerman's story would turn out to be corroborated, it would pretty easily be labeled self defense.
There is something that I think you'll agree with, though....there certainly are levels of responsibility, even if we aren't talking about legal responsibility. Legally, that's not the case -- he is going to be guilty or not guilty.

Let's say that the shot had hit Martin in the leg and that Zimmerman's story was corroborated. I could see neither Martin nor Zimmerman ultimately being charged.
I'm not 100% sure what you are are talking about with this post, so I don't want to put words in your mouth.....are you asking if I agree that (regardless of legality) a person has a responsibility to try to protect life while defending himself (hence your example of a shot in the leg)?
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No, that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that shared responsibility exists in society.....even if not in the legal world.

The 'shot in the leg' comment isn't saying that there is a responsibility to protect life while defending yourself (if that is indeed what Zimmerman was doing); my point is that if somehow the shot to Martin had ended up being in the leg, then people are less likely to rush to judgement and place blame solely on one of the two individuals involved. When death is involved, our natural inclination is to assume that the result is solely the fault of one. Everyone has an opinion on whose fault this is, but there are cases all of the time like this where injury instead of death occurs and we are more willing to say that blame is not solely on one party.

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Hadn't thought about gun policies and stances. I wonder if even pro-gun people would view Zimmerman's action as a responsible way to own a firearm.
I'm clearly pro-gun. If he used the gun as a tool to intimidate, hunt down, and kill another person, that is not a responsible gun owner. If he used his gun as a last resort to kill someone in self defense, that is being a responsible gun owner.
Agree....I have no idea where Lars is coming from.
I believe Zimmerman could be exonerated if the evidence supports his claim of being assaulted. However, if he was lying or exaggerating the threat to his health, I think a manslaughter conviction will be the correct punishment. While I support one's right to defend themselves using lethal force, the fact that Zimmerman initiated the eventual confrontation puts this case well within a grey area, IMO.
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Here's a question...if Zimmerman's account was true but in the melee the bullet that was fired struck an innocent bystander, would he be guilty of a crime?
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Here's a question...if Zimmerman's account was true but in the melee the bullet that was fired struck an innocent bystander, would he be guilty of a crime?
Ugh. If that happened it might make even more upset than I am now. Can you imagine? That's why gun laws are so strict in NY and Plaxico Burress can go to jail for 2 years for shooting HIMSELF.
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Here's a question...if Zimmerman's account was true but in the melee the bullet that was fired struck an innocent bystander, would he be guilty of a crime?
no...my guess would be that Martin would be guilty of that crime as well, as he created the need for self-defense which lead to the shooting
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Here's a question...if Zimmerman's account was true but in the melee the bullet that was fired struck an innocent bystander, would he be guilty of a crime?
Ugh. If that happened it might make even more upset than I am now. Can you imagine? That's why gun laws are so strict in NY and Plaxico Burress can go to jail for 2 years for shooting HIMSELF.
NY's gun laws are absolutely terrible....as I have stated before, the criminals aren't concerned with the gun ordinance dreach.
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Here's a question...if Zimmerman's account was true but in the melee the bullet that was fired struck an innocent bystander, would he be guilty of a crime?
Ugh. If that happened it might make even more upset than I am now. Can you imagine? That's why gun laws are so strict in NY and Plaxico Burress can go to jail for 2 years for shooting HIMSELF.
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Not saying I agree with NYs gun laws, just pointing out why they exist. Personally, I think Burress doing more time than Vick is ridiculous.
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If you "need" to bring a loaded gun in the pocket of your sweatpants to a night club, either change where you hang out or stay the fuck home. Also, you may want to think about registering that gun and be licensed to handle it.
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Not saying I agree with NYs gun laws, just pointing out why they exist. Personally, I think Burress doing more time than Vick is ridiculous.
you think that the NY gun laws exist to cut down on stray bullet injuries?
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The head of the DHS believes in Stand Your Ground Laws

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/04/14/janet-napolitano-also-signed-stand-your-ground
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