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Your position is ironic considering how you feel about GZ questioning whether TM was engaging in illegal activity that night. Maybe if he had only questioned whether or not TM obtained his skittles legally, then you would be ok with it.
This is where you are so totally and completely wrong. I have absolutely ZERO problem with GZ calling police because he was suspicious of Martin (I do think he should have just called police rather than 911 and tie up an emergency line, but that's not such a huge deal). My problem is with him chasing Martin and not identifying himself or saying police were called.

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Of course if we don't hear that they are illegal, then I would assume the are all legal.


I fail to see how merely stating the POSSIBILITY is irresponsible.
when you see people at work, do you make it a habit of "stating the possibility" that their clothes might be stolen, even if there's absolutely no reason to believe that? What about their vehicles...do you regularly "state the possibility" that perhaps they haven't properly registered the vehicle and/or maybe they don't have legal insurance? Come on dreach....you're making a fool of yourself.
Are you serious? We do this ALL THE TIME on this board. When a famous actor dies we wonder if it was drugs. When an athlete gets in a car crash we wonder if he was drunk. When Coach Cal poaches a star recruit we wonder if he broke any recruiting rules. In MY opinion, George Zimmerman unnecessarily killed a young man. Now he's getting accused, multiple times, for illegally threatening someone with a weapon. So, yeah, I can wonder if all of his weapons are on the up and up.

But even taking away the fact that this is incredibly common, why are your panties even in a bunch about this? Who gives a fuck if I wonder if a dude who was arrested for threatening someone with a gun has illegal weapons? ESPECIALLY when I also said that we can assume they are legal unless we hear otherwise? "Irresponsible". Psht. What a load of crap.
the reason this bothers me is that you have no idea what it even means to own an illegal weapon. Your accusation or question is so far off base in this case, it's absolutely absurd.
Are you asserting the possibility that it's absurd? That would be irresponsible. :ermm:

Honestly, I'm ok with the fact that you think it's absurd. In fact, I'll fully acknowledge that maybe it is indeed absurd. But the level to which you seem so offended by this has hit drama queen status.
call it what you want....it only escalated when you tried to actually defend you completely senseless and baseless accusation. Seriously....you posed the possibility that he had either stolen his guns or scratched the serial numbers off, when he has absolutely no reason to do either of those things. I wonder if you legally own the computer that you posted that with?
Hahaha. Now it was an "accusation".

Tell me, do you KNOW that the computer I'm posting with wasn't stolen?
no, of course I don't know that....but I have absolutely no reason to believe that it is, and questioning it is paramount to an accusation, and you know it! This happens all the time...if someone asked if we even know that Tom Crean isn't paying his players, would you take that as just an innocent question dreach, or an insinuation of something? Answer that question honestly.
What if I told your I was arrested and tried in a major hacking scandal and even though you thought I was guilty, the jury let me go? Then I just got accused and arrested for hacking someone else? You see context is important. George Zimmerman isn't me or you just some guy. In my mind he's a criminal who happens to not be in jail.

And answering your question totally honestly, I would say that I THINK Crean is not paying players. Of course I have no way of knowing and I have acknowledged several times on this board that Crean walks as close to the line of illegal recruiting as a coach can walk. Is it just an innocent question? No. And neither was mine. But is it an illegitimate question that is absurd, irresponsible and accusing? No, it is not.
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Wow, I had no idea Crean is paying his players. :o
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Your position is ironic considering how you feel about GZ questioning whether TM was engaging in illegal activity that night. Maybe if he had only questioned whether or not TM obtained his skittles legally, then you would be ok with it.
This is where you are so totally and completely wrong. I have absolutely ZERO problem with GZ calling police because he was suspicious of Martin (I do think he should have just called police rather than 911 and tie up an emergency line, but that's not such a huge deal). My problem is with him chasing Martin and not identifying himself or saying police were called.

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Of course if we don't hear that they are illegal, then I would assume the are all legal.


I fail to see how merely stating the POSSIBILITY is irresponsible.
when you see people at work, do you make it a habit of "stating the possibility" that their clothes might be stolen, even if there's absolutely no reason to believe that? What about their vehicles...do you regularly "state the possibility" that perhaps they haven't properly registered the vehicle and/or maybe they don't have legal insurance? Come on dreach....you're making a fool of yourself.
Are you serious? We do this ALL THE TIME on this board. When a famous actor dies we wonder if it was drugs. When an athlete gets in a car crash we wonder if he was drunk. When Coach Cal poaches a star recruit we wonder if he broke any recruiting rules. In MY opinion, George Zimmerman unnecessarily killed a young man. Now he's getting accused, multiple times, for illegally threatening someone with a weapon. So, yeah, I can wonder if all of his weapons are on the up and up.

But even taking away the fact that this is incredibly common, why are your panties even in a bunch about this? Who gives a fuck if I wonder if a dude who was arrested for threatening someone with a gun has illegal weapons? ESPECIALLY when I also said that we can assume they are legal unless we hear otherwise? "Irresponsible". Psht. What a load of crap.
the reason this bothers me is that you have no idea what it even means to own an illegal weapon. Your accusation or question is so far off base in this case, it's absolutely absurd.
Are you asserting the possibility that it's absurd? That would be irresponsible. :ermm:

Honestly, I'm ok with the fact that you think it's absurd. In fact, I'll fully acknowledge that maybe it is indeed absurd. But the level to which you seem so offended by this has hit drama queen status.
call it what you want....it only escalated when you tried to actually defend you completely senseless and baseless accusation. Seriously....you posed the possibility that he had either stolen his guns or scratched the serial numbers off, when he has absolutely no reason to do either of those things. I wonder if you legally own the computer that you posted that with?
Hahaha. Now it was an "accusation".

Tell me, do you KNOW that the computer I'm posting with wasn't stolen?
no, of course I don't know that....but I have absolutely no reason to believe that it is, and questioning it is paramount to an accusation, and you know it! This happens all the time...if someone asked if we even know that Tom Crean isn't paying his players, would you take that as just an innocent question dreach, or an insinuation of something? Answer that question honestly.
What if I told your I was arrested and tried in a major hacking scandal and even though you thought I was guilty, the jury let me go? Then I just got accused and arrested for hacking someone else? You see context is important. George Zimmerman isn't me or you just some guy. In my mind he's a criminal who happens to not be in jail.

And answering your question totally honestly, I would say that I THINK Crean is not paying players. Of course I have no way of knowing and I have acknowledged several times on this board that Crean walks as close to the line of illegal recruiting as a coach can walk. Is it just an innocent question? No. And neither was mine. But is it an illegitimate question that is absurd, irresponsible and accusing? No, it is not.
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What if I told your I was arrested and tried in a major hacking scandal and even though you thought I was guilty, the jury let me go? Then I just got accused and arrested for hacking someone else? You see context is important


Ok, I can make the connection from a hacker to a computer thief, given the hacker might not want his PC to be traced. However, I believe that your GZ/TM scenario is that GZ thought TM was up to no good and pursued him. TM then was cornered and had no choice but to fight, in which case GZ shot him with his registered handgun which he carried with a concealed carry permit. How do you connect that scenario to a gun thief or black market buyer?
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It's certainly not as direct a connection. Could be something as simple as the fact that he nearly went to jail for 1 gun incident and should something happen again he wouldn't want the gun to be traced to him. I dunno. Maybe that's far-fetched. However I don't think it's irresponsible or absurd. And my original statement

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we also don't know all those weapons are legally owned, do we?


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It's certainly not as direct a connection. Could be something as simple as the fact that he nearly went to jail for 1 gun incident and should something happen again he wouldn't want the gun to be traced to him. I dunno. Maybe that's far-fetched. However I don't think it's irresponsible or absurd. And my original statement

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we also don't know all those weapons are legally owned, do we?


is far from an accusation.
Keep in mind that the NSA is monitoring GZ's movements and activities even more closely than the average American citiizen. Eric Holder gets daily reports.
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It's certainly not as direct a connection. Could be something as simple as the fact that he nearly went to jail for 1 gun incident and should something happen again he wouldn't want the gun to be traced to him. I dunno. Maybe that's far-fetched. However I don't think it's irresponsible or absurd. And my original statement

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we also don't know all those weapons are legally owned, do we?


is far from an accusation.
Keep in mind that the NSA is monitoring GZ's movements and activities even more closely than the average American citiizen. Eric Holder gets daily reports.
As you said earlier, if the guns were illegal we would have heard about it by now. I'm fine with acknowledging it wasn't likely.
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It's certainly not as direct a connection. Could be something as simple as the fact that he nearly went to jail for 1 gun incident and should something happen again he wouldn't want the gun to be traced to him. I dunno. Maybe that's far-fetched. However I don't think it's irresponsible or absurd. And my original statement

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we also don't know all those weapons are legally owned, do we?


is far from an accusation.
Keep in mind that the NSA is monitoring GZ's movements and activities even more closely than the average American citiizen. Eric Holder gets daily reports.
As you said earlier, if the guns were illegal we would have heard about it by now. I'm fine with acknowledging it wasn't likely.
I was partly joking, but it would be a huge PR success for Obama/Holder if they found a reason to lock GZ up.
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It's certainly not as direct a connection. Could be something as simple as the fact that he nearly went to jail for 1 gun incident and should something happen again he wouldn't want the gun to be traced to him. I dunno. Maybe that's far-fetched. However I don't think it's irresponsible or absurd. And my original statement

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we also don't know all those weapons are legally owned, do we?


is far from an accusation.
I can't believe you won't acknowledge how stupid and irresponsible comments like yours are. You clearly posted before you thought, and just won't own up. If a GZ supporter like say.....Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity went on their show and said "How do we even know that Trayvon wasn't calling Zimmerman a faggot or a cracker to agitate the situation? How do we know that he wasn't stoned and in that state he decided it was a good idea to follow Zimmerman back to his truck and attack him? How do we know that Trayvon wasn't hell bent on killing a white guy and had decided that was the night to do it when the situation arose?"

Would you give them a pass and claim that those statements are just questions and a "far cry" from an accusation?
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It's certainly not as direct a connection. Could be something as simple as the fact that he nearly went to jail for 1 gun incident and should something happen again he wouldn't want the gun to be traced to him. I dunno. Maybe that's far-fetched. However I don't think it's irresponsible or absurd. And my original statement

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we also don't know all those weapons are legally owned, do we?


is far from an accusation.
I can't believe you won't acknowledge how stupid and irresponsible comments like yours are. You clearly posted before you thought, and just won't own up. If a GZ supporter like say.....Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity went on their show and said "How do we even know that Trayvon wasn't calling Zimmerman a faggot or a cracker to agitate the situation? How do we know that he wasn't stoned and in that state he decided it was a good idea to follow Zimmerman back to his truck and attack him? How do we know that Trayvon wasn't hell bent on killing a white guy and had decided that was the night to do it when the situation arose?"

Would you give them a pass and claim that those statements are just questions and a "far cry" from an accusation?
Well, you pretty much just backed up my point right there.

You must have forgotten that reports came out that Martin had been suspended from school for marijuana twice and people "wondered" whether he could have been high during the altercation. Then there was some report about a new way to get high involving the Arizona iced tea he was carrying (or something like that) and people wondered if maybe he was a drug addict.

So I guess that should put an end to this conversation.
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It's certainly not as direct a connection. Could be something as simple as the fact that he nearly went to jail for 1 gun incident and should something happen again he wouldn't want the gun to be traced to him. I dunno. Maybe that's far-fetched. However I don't think it's irresponsible or absurd. And my original statement

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we also don't know all those weapons are legally owned, do we?


is far from an accusation.
I can't believe you won't acknowledge how stupid and irresponsible comments like yours are. You clearly posted before you thought, and just won't own up. If a GZ supporter like say.....Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity went on their show and said "How do we even know that Trayvon wasn't calling Zimmerman a faggot or a cracker to agitate the situation? How do we know that he wasn't stoned and in that state he decided it was a good idea to follow Zimmerman back to his truck and attack him? How do we know that Trayvon wasn't hell bent on killing a white guy and had decided that was the night to do it when the situation arose?"

Would you give them a pass and claim that those statements are just questions and a "far cry" from an accusation?
Well, you pretty much just backed up my point right there.

You must have forgotten that reports came out that Martin had been suspended from school for marijuana twice and people "wondered" whether he could have been high during the altercation. Then there was some report about a new way to get high involving the Arizona iced tea he was carrying (or something like that) and people wondered if maybe he was a drug addict.

So I guess that should put an end to this conversation.
no, you actually made my point for me. There was slight reason to ask the question regarding him being high because of his tweets about weed...etc, so those questions are justified although still often viewed as accusations. You apparently didn't read my entire post....what about the last comment? What if Hannity said "How do we know that Trayvon wasn't hell bent on killing a white guy and had decided that was the night to do it when the situation arose?" Are you OK with that question? Is that fair to Trayvon?
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It's certainly not as direct a connection. Could be something as simple as the fact that he nearly went to jail for 1 gun incident and should something happen again he wouldn't want the gun to be traced to him. I dunno. Maybe that's far-fetched. However I don't think it's irresponsible or absurd. And my original statement

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we also don't know all those weapons are legally owned, do we?


is far from an accusation.
I can't believe you won't acknowledge how stupid and irresponsible comments like yours are. You clearly posted before you thought, and just won't own up. If a GZ supporter like say.....Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity went on their show and said "How do we even know that Trayvon wasn't calling Zimmerman a faggot or a cracker to agitate the situation? How do we know that he wasn't stoned and in that state he decided it was a good idea to follow Zimmerman back to his truck and attack him? How do we know that Trayvon wasn't hell bent on killing a white guy and had decided that was the night to do it when the situation arose?"

Would you give them a pass and claim that those statements are just questions and a "far cry" from an accusation?
Well, you pretty much just backed up my point right there.

You must have forgotten that reports came out that Martin had been suspended from school for marijuana twice and people "wondered" whether he could have been high during the altercation. Then there was some report about a new way to get high involving the Arizona iced tea he was carrying (or something like that) and people wondered if maybe he was a drug addict.

So I guess that should put an end to this conversation.
no, you actually made my point for me. There was slight reason to ask the question regarding him being high because of his tweets about weed...etc, so those questions are justified although still often viewed as accusations. You apparently didn't read my entire post....what about the last comment? What if Hannity said "How do we know that Trayvon wasn't hell bent on killing a white guy and had decided that was the night to do it when the situation arose?" Are you OK with that question? Is that fair to Trayvon?
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"How do we even know that Trayvon wasn't calling Zimmerman a faggot or a cracker to agitate the situation?
Nonsensical because GZ would have reported it.

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How do we know that he wasn't stoned and in that state he decided it was a good idea to follow Zimmerman back to his truck and attack him?
Here you are asking me how absurd and irresponsible it would if people had asked that question when in fact that question was asked by many many people. My point, that asking questions like these happens all the time and no one has ever come on here calling them absurd or irresponsible, is validated.

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How do we know that Trayvon wasn't hell bent on killing a white guy and had decided that was the night to do it when the situation arose?"
I would wager that someone, somewhere has asked that question. Wouldn't you? Is it a fair question to ask about Martin? Given no evidence to back the theory I would say no.

But Zimmerman isn't Martin. Again, in my mind, Zimmerman is a criminal, who unnecessarily shot someone, has seemingly went and acquired more weapons, and is now accused of aggressively using weapons to threaten people. At this point, I have no idea what his mindset is or what he''s capable of and that's why i don't think it's absurd. You can disagree. That's fine.
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It's certainly not as direct a connection. Could be something as simple as the fact that he nearly went to jail for 1 gun incident and should something happen again he wouldn't want the gun to be traced to him. I dunno. Maybe that's far-fetched. However I don't think it's irresponsible or absurd. And my original statement

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we also don't know all those weapons are legally owned, do we?


is far from an accusation.
I can't believe you won't acknowledge how stupid and irresponsible comments like yours are. You clearly posted before you thought, and just won't own up. If a GZ supporter like say.....Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity went on their show and said "How do we even know that Trayvon wasn't calling Zimmerman a faggot or a cracker to agitate the situation? How do we know that he wasn't stoned and in that state he decided it was a good idea to follow Zimmerman back to his truck and attack him? How do we know that Trayvon wasn't hell bent on killing a white guy and had decided that was the night to do it when the situation arose?"

Would you give them a pass and claim that those statements are just questions and a "far cry" from an accusation?
Well, you pretty much just backed up my point right there.

You must have forgotten that reports came out that Martin had been suspended from school for marijuana twice and people "wondered" whether he could have been high during the altercation. Then there was some report about a new way to get high involving the Arizona iced tea he was carrying (or something like that) and people wondered if maybe he was a drug addict.

So I guess that should put an end to this conversation.
no, you actually made my point for me. There was slight reason to ask the question regarding him being high because of his tweets about weed...etc, so those questions are justified although still often viewed as accusations. You apparently didn't read my entire post....what about the last comment? What if Hannity said "How do we know that Trayvon wasn't hell bent on killing a white guy and had decided that was the night to do it when the situation arose?" Are you OK with that question? Is that fair to Trayvon?
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"How do we even know that Trayvon wasn't calling Zimmerman a faggot or a cracker to agitate the situation?
Nonsensical because GZ would have reported it.

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How do we know that he wasn't stoned and in that state he decided it was a good idea to follow Zimmerman back to his truck and attack him?
Here you are asking me how absurd and irresponsible it would if people had asked that question when in fact that question was asked by many many people. My point, that asking questions like these happens all the time and no one has ever come on here calling them absurd or irresponsible, is validated.

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How do we know that Trayvon wasn't hell bent on killing a white guy and had decided that was the night to do it when the situation arose?"
I would wager that someone, somewhere has asked that question. Wouldn't you? Is it a fair question to ask about Martin? Given no evidence to back the theory I would say no.

But Zimmerman isn't Martin. Again, in my mind, Zimmerman is a criminal, who unnecessarily shot someone, has seemingly went and acquired more weapons, and is now accused of aggressively using weapons to threaten people. At this point, I have no idea what his mindset is or what he''s capable of and that's why i don't think it's absurd. You can disagree. That's fine.
you have evidence to back the theory that Zimmerman is a gun thief or black market gun buyer? FYI, Martin actually was a criminal in real life, where GZ is just a criminal in your mind.
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Can you link to when Martin was convicted of a crime? I don't recall ever hearing that.

And I'm not ACCUSING Zimmerman. I asked the question. Because TO ME he seems crazy. He has money problems. He's acquiring weapons. He's recently divorce. His new girlfriend got him arrested. He got away with killing someone. Seriously, you can think the question is unfair. I get it. Because you don't view him the same way I do.
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Can you link to when Martin was convicted of a crime? I don't recall ever hearing that.

And I'm not ACCUSING Zimmerman. I asked the question. Because TO ME he seems crazy. He has money problems. He's acquiring weapons. He's recently divorce. His new girlfriend got him arrested. He got away with killing someone. Seriously, you can think the question is unfair. I get it. Because you don't view him the same way I do.
The reason you don't know about Martin's criminal history is that it was covered up pretty well by the media. Here you go. http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/police-buried-trayvons-criminal-history/
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He realized that Martin had been suspended twice already that school year for offenses that should have gotten him arrested – once for getting caught with a burglary tool and a dozen items of female jewelry, the second time for getting caught with marijuana and a marijuana pipe.


Still not making the connection....lot's of people can be considered "crazy"...we encounter them every day in our lives, and by watching the lives of celebrities or athletes. How does that, or money problems, or acquiring weapons, being recently divorced, or his girlfriend having him arrested lead to a theory that he may have stolen guns or he bought guns on the black market with scratched off serial numbers? None of your opinions of him above make a connection to your theory.
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It's certainly not as direct a connection. Could be something as simple as the fact that he nearly went to jail for 1 gun incident and should something happen again he wouldn't want the gun to be traced to him. I dunno. Maybe that's far-fetched. However I don't think it's irresponsible or absurd. And my original statement

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we also don't know all those weapons are legally owned, do we?


is far from an accusation.
I can't believe you won't acknowledge how stupid and irresponsible comments like yours are. You clearly posted before you thought, and just won't own up. If a GZ supporter like say.....Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity went on their show and said "How do we even know that Trayvon wasn't calling Zimmerman a faggot or a cracker to agitate the situation? How do we know that he wasn't stoned and in that state he decided it was a good idea to follow Zimmerman back to his truck and attack him? How do we know that Trayvon wasn't hell bent on killing a white guy and had decided that was the night to do it when the situation arose?"

Would you give them a pass and claim that those statements are just questions and a "far cry" from an accusation?
According to TM's girlfriend, TM and her thought GZ was a gay-stalker. She also said TM smoked weed twice a week.
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