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Can you link to when Martin was convicted of a crime? I don't recall ever hearing that.
And I'm not ACCUSING Zimmerman. I asked the question. Because TO ME he seems crazy. He has money problems. He's acquiring weapons. He's recently divorce. His new girlfriend got him arrested. He got away with killing someone. Seriously, you can think the question is unfair. I get it. Because you don't view him the same way I do. Most of the problems you listed are the result of a conspiracy perpetrated by the MSM, the left, and the Obama admin (sorry there is a lot of redundancy there)
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Can you link to when Martin was convicted of a crime? I don't recall ever hearing that.
And I'm not ACCUSING Zimmerman. I asked the question. Because TO ME he seems crazy. He has money problems. He's acquiring weapons. He's recently divorce. His new girlfriend got him arrested. He got away with killing someone. Seriously, you can think the question is unfair. I get it. Because you don't view him the same way I do.
Most of the problems you listed are the result of a conspiracy perpetrated by the MSM, the left, and the Obama admin (sorry there is a lot of redundancy there) Lars, am I missing something here? Does it seem way out of bounds to question whether or not GZ illegally owns guns.....especially from a person who doesn't actually know what that means?
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Can you link to when Martin was convicted of a crime? I don't recall ever hearing that.
And I'm not ACCUSING Zimmerman. I asked the question. Because TO ME he seems crazy. He has money problems. He's acquiring weapons. He's recently divorce. His new girlfriend got him arrested. He got away with killing someone. Seriously, you can think the question is unfair. I get it. Because you don't view him the same way I do.
The reason you don't know about Martin's criminal history is that it was covered up pretty well by the media. Here you go. http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/police-buried-trayvons-criminal-history/- Quote:
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He realized that Martin had been suspended twice already that school year for offenses that should have gotten him arrested – once for getting caught with a burglary tool and a dozen items of female jewelry, the second time for getting caught with marijuana and a marijuana pipe.
Still not making the connection....lot's of people can be considered "crazy"...we encounter them every day in our lives, and by watching the lives of celebrities or athletes. How does that, or money problems, or acquiring weapons, being recently divorced, or his girlfriend having him arrested lead to a theory that he may have stolen guns or he bought guns on the black market with scratched off serial numbers? None of your opinions of him above make a connection to your theory. Oh my G-d this is classic.
So Martin, who had never been arrested or convicted of any crime, is a criminal.
Zimmerman, who has been arrested several times including very recently....not a criminal.
And I'm being absurd. Can't make this stuff up.
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Dec 4 2013, 01:08 PM
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Can you link to when Martin was convicted of a crime? I don't recall ever hearing that.
And I'm not ACCUSING Zimmerman. I asked the question. Because TO ME he seems crazy. He has money problems. He's acquiring weapons. He's recently divorce. His new girlfriend got him arrested. He got away with killing someone. Seriously, you can think the question is unfair. I get it. Because you don't view him the same way I do.
The reason you don't know about Martin's criminal history is that it was covered up pretty well by the media. Here you go. http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/police-buried-trayvons-criminal-history/- Quote:
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He realized that Martin had been suspended twice already that school year for offenses that should have gotten him arrested – once for getting caught with a burglary tool and a dozen items of female jewelry, the second time for getting caught with marijuana and a marijuana pipe.
Still not making the connection....lot's of people can be considered "crazy"...we encounter them every day in our lives, and by watching the lives of celebrities or athletes. How does that, or money problems, or acquiring weapons, being recently divorced, or his girlfriend having him arrested lead to a theory that he may have stolen guns or he bought guns on the black market with scratched off serial numbers? None of your opinions of him above make a connection to your theory.
Oh my G-d this is classic. So Martin, who had never been arrested or convicted of any crime, is a criminal. Zimmerman, who has been arrested several times including very recently....not a criminal. And I'm being absurd. Can't make this stuff up. definition of criminal: "a person who has committed a crime"
Are you saying that possessing weed isn't a crime?
You avoided the question as to how you make the connection from all of your opinions of GZ to him stealing guns or scratching off serial numbers.
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Dec 4 2013, 01:18 PM
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Can you link to when Martin was convicted of a crime? I don't recall ever hearing that.
And I'm not ACCUSING Zimmerman. I asked the question. Because TO ME he seems crazy. He has money problems. He's acquiring weapons. He's recently divorce. His new girlfriend got him arrested. He got away with killing someone. Seriously, you can think the question is unfair. I get it. Because you don't view him the same way I do.
The reason you don't know about Martin's criminal history is that it was covered up pretty well by the media. Here you go. http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/police-buried-trayvons-criminal-history/- Quote:
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He realized that Martin had been suspended twice already that school year for offenses that should have gotten him arrested – once for getting caught with a burglary tool and a dozen items of female jewelry, the second time for getting caught with marijuana and a marijuana pipe.
Still not making the connection....lot's of people can be considered "crazy"...we encounter them every day in our lives, and by watching the lives of celebrities or athletes. How does that, or money problems, or acquiring weapons, being recently divorced, or his girlfriend having him arrested lead to a theory that he may have stolen guns or he bought guns on the black market with scratched off serial numbers? None of your opinions of him above make a connection to your theory.
Oh my G-d this is classic. So Martin, who had never been arrested or convicted of any crime, is a criminal. Zimmerman, who has been arrested several times including very recently....not a criminal. And I'm being absurd. Can't make this stuff up.
definition of criminal: "a person who has committed a crime" Are you saying that possessing weed isn't a crime? You avoided the question as to how you make the connection from all of your opinions of GZ to him stealing guns or scratching off serial numbers. And why is GZ not a criminal then?
I'm very very OK with you thinking it's a ridiculous question. I get it. I mean for fucks sake you think Martin is a criminal and GZ is not. Can you even comprehend how differently we view this situation?
To me, he's total scum. I think if he had money problems but wanted more guns he would find a way to get them, even illegally. I think if he was worried about getting into another incident with a weapon he might not want that weapon to be able to be traced to him. Go ahead and think these things are totally ridiculous. I understand why you do because we just have completely different views of the man.
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Dec 4 2013, 01:27 PM
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Can you link to when Martin was convicted of a crime? I don't recall ever hearing that.
And I'm not ACCUSING Zimmerman. I asked the question. Because TO ME he seems crazy. He has money problems. He's acquiring weapons. He's recently divorce. His new girlfriend got him arrested. He got away with killing someone. Seriously, you can think the question is unfair. I get it. Because you don't view him the same way I do.
Most of the problems you listed are the result of a conspiracy perpetrated by the MSM, the left, and the Obama admin (sorry there is a lot of redundancy there)
Lars, am I missing something here? Does it seem way out of bounds to question whether or not GZ illegally owns guns.....especially from a person who doesn't actually know what that means? This case was one of the most polarizing events I've ever witnessed. I think there's a much higher probability TM was stoned and not acting rationally than GZ possessing illegal guns.
In general, I admire people who work to keep their neighborhoods safer, and are trained in the use of firearms. GZ made a big mistake following TM with a loaded weapon, but I've never viewed him as public enemy #1 like most of the posters here have done.
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Dec 4 2013, 01:33 PM
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Can you link to when Martin was convicted of a crime? I don't recall ever hearing that.
And I'm not ACCUSING Zimmerman. I asked the question. Because TO ME he seems crazy. He has money problems. He's acquiring weapons. He's recently divorce. His new girlfriend got him arrested. He got away with killing someone. Seriously, you can think the question is unfair. I get it. Because you don't view him the same way I do.
The reason you don't know about Martin's criminal history is that it was covered up pretty well by the media. Here you go. http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/police-buried-trayvons-criminal-history/- Quote:
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He realized that Martin had been suspended twice already that school year for offenses that should have gotten him arrested – once for getting caught with a burglary tool and a dozen items of female jewelry, the second time for getting caught with marijuana and a marijuana pipe.
Still not making the connection....lot's of people can be considered "crazy"...we encounter them every day in our lives, and by watching the lives of celebrities or athletes. How does that, or money problems, or acquiring weapons, being recently divorced, or his girlfriend having him arrested lead to a theory that he may have stolen guns or he bought guns on the black market with scratched off serial numbers? None of your opinions of him above make a connection to your theory.
Oh my G-d this is classic. So Martin, who had never been arrested or convicted of any crime, is a criminal. Zimmerman, who has been arrested several times including very recently....not a criminal. And I'm being absurd. Can't make this stuff up.
definition of criminal: "a person who has committed a crime" Are you saying that possessing weed isn't a crime? You avoided the question as to how you make the connection from all of your opinions of GZ to him stealing guns or scratching off serial numbers.
And why is GZ not a criminal then? I'm very very OK with you thinking it's a ridiculous question. I get it. I mean for fucks sake you think Martin is a criminal and GZ is not. Can you even comprehend how differently we view this situation? To me, he's total scum. I think if he had money problems but wanted more guns he would find a way to get them, even illegally. I think if he was worried about getting into another incident with a weapon he might not want that weapon to be able to be traced to him. Go ahead and think these things are totally ridiculous. I understand why you do because we just have completely different views of the man. Martin was punished for committing a crime....GZ hasn't been (at least not yet). And the reason your comment bothers me has nothing to do with your view of GZ...you think he's scum as do many many people and I get that. It's the fact that you are completely talking out of your ass with this "illegal guns" shit. I just wish you took the time to speak intelligently on the subject before you spout off about something that you are clearly clueless about.
1) Black market guns would be more expensive than buying them at a gun shop. Black market "dealers" have already paid gun shop price or close to it, and are also absorbing the work and risk involved with the black market. 2) Guns purchased at a gun dealer are not "traced" back to the owner....this goes back to your limited knowledge of the subject, which I referenced above. There is no national database of guns and their owners. There are databases in some states/counties which require registration of guns, but those areas are rare and not applicable to where GZ lives.
See dreach...the real world isn't CSI or whatever crime show you watch that gives you the idea that when a gun crime is committed, we can trace it back down to the owner and have him arrested right away. In the real world, there is actually a law that prevents the government from doing the exact thing that you seem to think exists...thus leading to your false premise and "questions" (quasi accusation) of GZ.
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There is no national database of guns and their owners. Unfortunately, this is true...and completely stupid.
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There is no national database of guns and their owners.
Unfortunately, this is true...and completely stupid. br I think the fear of government confiscation is legit, even though I also understand your reasoning for wanting a database in terms of chasing down criminals.
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Can you link to when Martin was convicted of a crime? I don't recall ever hearing that.
And I'm not ACCUSING Zimmerman. I asked the question. Because TO ME he seems crazy. He has money problems. He's acquiring weapons. He's recently divorce. His new girlfriend got him arrested. He got away with killing someone. Seriously, you can think the question is unfair. I get it. Because you don't view him the same way I do.
The reason you don't know about Martin's criminal history is that it was covered up pretty well by the media. Here you go. http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/police-buried-trayvons-criminal-history/- Quote:
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He realized that Martin had been suspended twice already that school year for offenses that should have gotten him arrested – once for getting caught with a burglary tool and a dozen items of female jewelry, the second time for getting caught with marijuana and a marijuana pipe.
Still not making the connection....lot's of people can be considered "crazy"...we encounter them every day in our lives, and by watching the lives of celebrities or athletes. How does that, or money problems, or acquiring weapons, being recently divorced, or his girlfriend having him arrested lead to a theory that he may have stolen guns or he bought guns on the black market with scratched off serial numbers? None of your opinions of him above make a connection to your theory.
Oh my G-d this is classic. So Martin, who had never been arrested or convicted of any crime, is a criminal. Zimmerman, who has been arrested several times including very recently....not a criminal. And I'm being absurd. Can't make this stuff up.
definition of criminal: "a person who has committed a crime" Are you saying that possessing weed isn't a crime? You avoided the question as to how you make the connection from all of your opinions of GZ to him stealing guns or scratching off serial numbers.
And why is GZ not a criminal then? I'm very very OK with you thinking it's a ridiculous question. I get it. I mean for fucks sake you think Martin is a criminal and GZ is not. Can you even comprehend how differently we view this situation? To me, he's total scum. I think if he had money problems but wanted more guns he would find a way to get them, even illegally. I think if he was worried about getting into another incident with a weapon he might not want that weapon to be able to be traced to him. Go ahead and think these things are totally ridiculous. I understand why you do because we just have completely different views of the man.
Martin was punished for committing a crime....GZ hasn't been (at least not yet). And the reason your comment bothers me has nothing to do with your view of GZ...you think he's scum as do many many people and I get that. It's the fact that you are completely talking out of your ass with this "illegal guns" shit. I just wish you took the time to speak intelligently on the subject before you spout off about something that you are clearly clueless about. 1) Black market guns would be more expensive than buying them at a gun shop. Black market "dealers" have already paid gun shop price or close to it, and are also absorbing the work and risk involved with the black market. 2) Guns purchased at a gun dealer are not "traced" back to the owner....this goes back to your limited knowledge of the subject, which I referenced above. There is no national database of guns and their owners. There are databases in some states/counties which require registration of guns, but those areas are rare and not applicable to where GZ lives. See dreach...the real world isn't CSI or whatever crime show you watch that gives you the idea that when a gun crime is committed, we can trace it back down to the owner and have him arrested right away. In the real world, there is actually a law that prevents the government from doing the exact thing that you seem to think exists...thus leading to your false premise and "questions" (quasi accusation) of GZ. Zimmerman had to attend class and do community service after being arrested for resisting arrest with violence. He also has a restraining order against him from an ex-fiance who claimed he abused her. He lied to a judge about his finances before the trial and had his bail revoked. And he's currently out on bond with charges pending. But Martin is a criminal.
Can't say I know enough about the black market sales of guns to say whether they are all definitely cheaper or more expensive than buying a gun legitimately. However I'll note, again, for the umpteenth time that it was not an accusation. It was a question.
I will happily admit my lack of knowledge on the subject as I have done several times in the past. If everything you say is true, so be it. I am absolutely not afraid to admit when I am wrong. But I also am not going to equate not knowing all the gun laws of Florida with asking an "irresponsible" question. The view that I was accusing GZ of something is what YOU chose to read into it and in every crazy analogy you presented I stated it was not an accusation. This entire time I have merely argued the POSSIBILITY of him owning an illegal weapon. If you are saying it's not possible, fine. I'll graciously concede that point.
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But Martin is a criminal Yes, apparently he was.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html Instead the officer reported he found women’s jewelry and a screwdriver that he described as a “burglary tool,” according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald. Word of the incident came as the family’s lawyer acknowledged that the boy was suspended in February for getting caught with an empty bag with traces of marijuana, which he called “irrelevant” and an attempt to demonize a victim.
And according to his gf, he smoked weed twice a week.
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And Zimmerman?
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i'd rather live on the same block as a pothead 17 year old as opposed to a gun nut block-protector....
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i'd rather live on the same block as a pothead 17 year old as opposed to a gun nut block-protector....
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i'd rather live on the same block as a pothead 17 year old as opposed to a gun nut block-protector....
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You left out the part about the 17 yr old also being a burglar.... was he charged with burglary?
and to be honest, i'd rather live on the same block as a burglar than someone walking around "protecting the neighborhood" armed.
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