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IUCOLTFAN Dec 5 2013, 08:32 AM Post #1366
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Screwdriver, BAG of jewelry....

What pieces of the GZ puzzle brought your mind to illegal guns?
Did you even READ the article? Martin says it wasn't his. Zimmerman says he didn't do it. You are being a total hypocrite.

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“Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,” he responded

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html#storylink=cpy
So what lead you to illegal guns?
deflect, deflect, deflect

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This would be akin to me saying "George Zimmerman bought illegal weapons." Which of course I never even came close to doing.


I told you what brought me to my thoughts. What brought illegal guns to your mind? Pretty simple question. I'm being honest. Strange that you won't say what made you even think it was possible. Looks like you just cooked it up....
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GZ can do no wrong. The new poster boy for gun rights
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Screwdriver, BAG of jewelry....

What pieces of the GZ puzzle brought your mind to illegal guns?
Did you even READ the article? Martin says it wasn't his. Zimmerman says he didn't do it. You are being a total hypocrite.

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“Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,” he responded

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html#storylink=cpy
So what lead you to illegal guns?
deflect, deflect, deflect

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This would be akin to me saying "George Zimmerman bought illegal weapons." Which of course I never even came close to doing.


I told you what brought me to my thoughts. What brought illegal guns to your mind? Pretty simple question. I'm being honest. Strange that you won't say what made you even think it was possible. Looks like you just cooked it up....
You have not addressed your hypocrisy here.

What brought illegal guns to my mind? I think Zimmerman is a crazy asshole who shot and killed an unarmed teen and has since went out and acquired more weapons. Thought it was possible maybe those weapons were illegal. Not exactly a huge jump in thinking.
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Ok I was also raised not to steal but at that age I wasn't making the choices I would make now. Also twice a week is what many would consider recreational use. I view marijuana in the same light as I do beer and smoking on the weekends I would equate to catching your teenage son/daughter drinking. Yes I would be pissed but I would never view my kid as a criminal if their only crime was drinking underage or smoking a joint twice a week.

That's what we have with TM a kid who smoked weed and posted shit he shouldn't have on facebook. Took a bag from a friend or robbed people himself but the fact remains charges were not filed in that instance.

So what we have here is one group sees a teen who made fucked up choices getting killed because a man got out of his vehicle with a loaded weapon and pursued him putting the teen in a situation that should never have happened and it ended up with the teen dead.

The other group sees a thug child who could have gotten away but chose instead to turn around and beat the hell out of an innocent man who was just trying to protect his neighborhood.

That is why this conversation always ends up with two people making the same points and accusing the other side of not listening. Both sides look at the situation and give the benefit of doubt to one side and not the other. I myself may not be black but I understand being 15-17 and making choices that today I would never make but at that age seemed like it was no big deal. If it was my child that was killed and I heard people using the word criminal when talking about him when he had never even been formally charged with a crime and the only thing anyone had to point to him being a criminal was a small bag of marijuana residue and a pipe it would drive me crazy.
This is a very good summary of the situation. I would say my position is somewhere in the middle, and I raised the thug behavior points in response to the view that GZ is a criminal (Edit: or "crazy asshole") and TM is a Saint.

Dreach, I would say both TM and GZ were guilty of criminal behavior, but wouldn't call either one a "criminal." One is dead, and the other didn't commit murder as defined by our legal system.
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GZ can do no wrong. The new poster boy for gun rights
could your posts be any more immature?
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The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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Screwdriver, BAG of jewelry....

What pieces of the GZ puzzle brought your mind to illegal guns?
Did you even READ the article? Martin says it wasn't his. Zimmerman says he didn't do it. You are being a total hypocrite.

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“Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,” he responded

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html#storylink=cpy
So what lead you to illegal guns?
TM said he got the jewelry from "friends" but failed to name any. So he was likely a thief and liar.
Or he didn't want to snitch.

By the way, you never commented on whether you consider George Zimmerman a criminal...
You seem very willing to make excuses for TM.

No, I don't consider GZ to be a criminal. He's a troubled man, and it's hard to know how much of his personal problems were initiated by the horrible event that left a 17 year old kid dead.
Just for reference, his resisting arrest with violence charge, first domestic battery charge, and restraining order were all prior to shooting Trayvon Martin.

If I could just get one logical explanation on why Zimmerman is not a criminal even though Martin is, I'd be satisfied. Just one.
I'm not sure what the outcome of his previous charges was, but I forgot about the deal where he lied to the court...which does make him a criminal. That doesn't make Martin any less of a criminal does it?

FYI, your logic for the illegal guns issue has been proven to be ignorant, yet you still stick to it...amazing.

Let's try this one more time. Suppose Rush Limbaugh went on the air and said "how do we know that Martin wasn't just baiting Zimmerman in for the purpose of beating his ass?" Fair question? Irresponsible? Why or why not?
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Screwdriver, BAG of jewelry....

What pieces of the GZ puzzle brought your mind to illegal guns?
Did you even READ the article? Martin says it wasn't his. Zimmerman says he didn't do it. You are being a total hypocrite.

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“Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,” he responded

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html#storylink=cpy
So what lead you to illegal guns?
TM said he got the jewelry from "friends" but failed to name any. So he was likely a thief and liar.
Or he didn't want to snitch.

By the way, you never commented on whether you consider George Zimmerman a criminal...
You seem very willing to make excuses for TM.

No, I don't consider GZ to be a criminal. He's a troubled man, and it's hard to know how much of his personal problems were initiated by the horrible event that left a 17 year old kid dead.
Just for reference, his resisting arrest with violence charge, first domestic battery charge, and restraining order were all prior to shooting Trayvon Martin.

If I could just get one logical explanation on why Zimmerman is not a criminal even though Martin is, I'd be satisfied. Just one.
I'm not sure what the outcome of his previous charges was, but I forgot about the deal where he lied to the court...which does make him a criminal. That doesn't make Martin any less of a criminal does it?

FYI, your logic for the illegal guns issue has been proven to be ignorant, yet you still stick to it...amazing.

Let's try this one more time. Suppose Rush Limbaugh went on the air and said "how do we know that Martin wasn't just baiting Zimmerman in for the purpose of beating his ass?" Fair question? Irresponsible? Why or why not?
Who said I was sticking to it? Colt asked me how I originally thought of it. I answered.

EDIT: Forgot to answer your question about it not making Martin any less of a criminal. I don't have a problem with you calling Martin a criminal if that's your criteria. I think it's ridiculous to call Martin a criminal and then say Zimmerman is not one. That's what doesn't make sense.
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What brought illegal guns to my mind? I think Zimmerman is a crazy asshole who shot and killed an unarmed teen and has since went out and acquired more weapons. Thought it was possible maybe those weapons were illegal. Not exactly a huge jump in thinking.
Wow...how many times does it have to be explained to you that there is absolutely no advantage or reason why Zimmerman would have to acquire guns illegally. He can buy guns from any dealer anytime he wants, and there is no national tracing database.....un freakin real.
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GZ can do no wrong. The new poster boy for gun rights
could your posts be any more immature?
Just calling it as I'm seeing it. There's been a lot of GZ support around here.

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What brought illegal guns to my mind? I think Zimmerman is a crazy asshole who shot and killed an unarmed teen and has since went out and acquired more weapons. Thought it was possible maybe those weapons were illegal. Not exactly a huge jump in thinking.
Wow...how many times does it have to be explained to you that there is absolutely no advantage or reason why Zimmerman would have to acquire guns illegally. He can buy guns from any dealer anytime he wants, and there is no national tracing database.....un freakin real.
Dude, Colt is asking me why I originally brought up illegal guns. I'm not still advocating it. I explained why I asked the question in the first place before you pointed out Florida gun laws and such. Retract those claws, kitty.
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They're just upset that GZ wasn't the do-good'er they thought he was...

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GZ can do no wrong. The new poster boy for gun rights
could your posts be any more immature?
Just calling it as I'm seeing it. There's been a lot of GZ support around here.

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yeah....that's what you're doing yernuts
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They're just upset that GZ wasn't the do-good'er they thought he was...

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who thought he was a do-good'er? This isn't about GZ...it's about the law. You claimed earlier that he was unstable with no proof, and that he should have his guns taken away even though he hasn't been convicted of a gun crime.
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Dreach and Brian, What did you think about the reports about GZ helping a homeless person fight against the police, and tutoring poor black kids?
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Dreach and Brian, What did you think about the reports about GZ helping a homeless person fight against the police, and tutoring poor black kids?
What does that have to do with anything? I haven't seen that report, but I also have never made the claim the GZ has never done anything good with his life. He also saved that family in a car crash shortly after the trial. That doesn't mean I'm going to excuse him for unnecessarily shooting a kid (my opinion only, not yours or the legal systems) or domestic violence.
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