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Bryan LaHair an all-star
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sirbrianwilson Jul 4 2012, 10:28 AM Post #31
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LOL @ sirbrian. Here is a guy that says wins by a pitcher is over rated because its dependent on what someone else does and wants to know what their RBIs are?
No, I wanted to know what their OBP was...RBIs and RISP have long been targets of my criticism.

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LOL @ sirbrian. Here is a guy that says wins by a pitcher is over rated because its dependent on what someone else does and wants to know what their RBIs are?
No, I wanted to know what their OBP was...RBIs and RISP have long been targets of my criticism.

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When debating people who refuse to believe in sabermetrics, sometimes you have to play in their ball field. The fact that relativelynew can't even accept that wins are related to players around a pitcher means that he's not going to listen to real numerical analysis. My point was that regardless of measure, LaRoche is more worthy than LaHair.

And dreach is right, Craig is better than either....only issue is that he's only played in about half the games. Interesting to note that despite playing in 28 games less than LaHair, he has only 15 less total bases.

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LOL @ sirbrian. Here is a guy that says wins by a pitcher is over rated because its dependent on what someone else does and wants to know what their RBIs are?
No, I wanted to know what their OBP was...RBIs and RISP have long been targets of my criticism.

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When debating people who refuse to believe in sabermetrics, sometimes you have to play in their ball field. The fact that relativelynew can't even accept that wins are related to players around a pitcher means that he's not going to listen to real numerical analysis. My point was that regardless of measure, LaRoche is more worthy than LaHair.

And dreach is right, Craig is better than either....only issue is that he's only played in about half the games. Interesting to note that despite playing in 28 games less than LaHair, he has only 15 less total bases.

i neverf said wins were a good measure for pitchers, just as RBIs are not for a hitter. i just found it interesting he wanted to look at RBIs

and saying laroche is more worthy than lehair is certainly your OPINION.
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brumdog44 Jul 5 2012, 06:11 PM Post #34
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LOL @ sirbrian. Here is a guy that says wins by a pitcher is over rated because its dependent on what someone else does and wants to know what their RBIs are?
No, I wanted to know what their OBP was...RBIs and RISP have long been targets of my criticism.

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When debating people who refuse to believe in sabermetrics, sometimes you have to play in their ball field. The fact that relativelynew can't even accept that wins are related to players around a pitcher means that he's not going to listen to real numerical analysis. My point was that regardless of measure, LaRoche is more worthy than LaHair.

And dreach is right, Craig is better than either....only issue is that he's only played in about half the games. Interesting to note that despite playing in 28 games less than LaHair, he has only 15 less total bases.

i neverf said wins were a good measure for pitchers, just as RBIs are not for a hitter. i just found it interesting he wanted to look at RBIs

and saying laroche is more worthy than lehair is certainly your OPINION.
Opinion backed by statistical analysis. If this was factual, there would be no need to debate. Secondly, bri never brought up RBIs as being a good measure.
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and Laroche is batting .251.
Batting average....how cute.

But if you want to look at the 'traditional stats', tell me which player you prefer -- both of whom hit in the traditional power positions.

Player a: .284 with 27 home runs and 57 rbis.
Player b: .251 with 32 home runs and 105 rbis.

And if you go with 'batting average', then let's discuss LaHair's .137 average with runners in scoring position (LaRoche is hitting .271).
ya getting on base means nothing in baseball

for that guy driving in 20 more runs a year, SOMEONE had to get on base in front of him.
105- 57 >>>>> 20
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BTW, at this point I don't think anyone could argue LaHair over Goldschmidt.
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LOL @ sirbrian. Here is a guy that says wins by a pitcher is over rated because its dependent on what someone else does and wants to know what their RBIs are?
No, I wanted to know what their OBP was...RBIs and RISP have long been targets of my criticism.

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When debating people who refuse to believe in sabermetrics, sometimes you have to play in their ball field. The fact that relativelynew can't even accept that wins are related to players around a pitcher means that he's not going to listen to real numerical analysis. My point was that regardless of measure, LaRoche is more worthy than LaHair.

And dreach is right, Craig is better than either....only issue is that he's only played in about half the games. Interesting to note that despite playing in 28 games less than LaHair, he has only 15 less total bases.

i neverf said wins were a good measure for pitchers, just as RBIs are not for a hitter. i just found it interesting he wanted to look at RBIs

and saying laroche is more worthy than lehair is certainly your OPINION.
Can you quote me where I said I wanted to look at RBIs? I think you need to re-read this thread...

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Does the All Star team really matter?

Seems like its pretty pointless and you could make an argument for probably 4-5 player per position.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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All Star idea

Young vs. old. You could do a team of player under 30 vs. a team 30 an over. I think it'd be fun to see this in any sport. NHL would probably be the only ones to ever consider it though.
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All Star idea

Young vs. old. You could do a team of player under 30 vs. a team 30 an over. I think it'd be fun to see this in any sport. NHL would probably be the only ones to ever consider it though.
rising stars vs. all stars.

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All Star idea

Young vs. old. You could do a team of player under 30 vs. a team 30 an over. I think it'd be fun to see this in any sport. NHL would probably be the only ones to ever consider it though.
rising stars vs. all stars.

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star lights vs. star brights
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1st & 2nd year players (allstars) vs. veteran allstars


Up and coming stars will be seen and get to play against the leagues best players (presumably....the fans do have a say).......I think it could be very entertaining and would let some of the young players get more exposure for the future benefit of the league. Everybody wins.
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Bud Selig vs Albert Belle in a boxing match at the pitcher's mound.

I haven't watched the All-Star game in years, it's become pointless IMO. The inception of "whichever team wins the AS Game has home field advantage at the World Series" is/was an attempt to make it legit.

Fail.
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And I won't even go into the new two wildcard teams this year. Hopefully Belle still has some pack with his punch. :D
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